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I haven''t seen this discussed widely here Yet it's closely related to the topics here There is nothing, no evidence there A shot guy and nothing. This is a disgrace in the tradition of 7/7 and de Menezes Nothing will come out of their investigation of Lansdown Road, any more than their raids on Tescos or the PO This is atrocious It's an ongoing investigation and yet widely discredited We know the creditable source is an MI5 informant
I've been following this and mentioned it briefly on my journal here. I was discussing it with a mate yesterday and we were both incredulous at the scale of this operation, a 'Whitehall source' claiming that the man was not shot by the police but by his brother - even though his brother wasn't even on the same floor of the house at the time and, like you say, no evidence of what the hell it was they claim they were looking for! Un unarmed man shot by another unarmed man in a house full of 250 armed police sounds unlikely to me. The informant was said to have overheard an 'incriminating conversation', whatever that might have been.
Andreas Whittam Smith, in yesterday's Independent, compared the raid with the security operation in Canada which resulted in the arrests of 17 men and 5 youths.
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"In the British case, the police make their raid and have so far found nothing. In the Canadian case the police similarly carry out arrests and find what they were looking for - but only because they put it there themselves!"
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Yvonne Ridley has apparently urged Muslims to stop co-operating with police.
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BBC News | UK | Call to Muslims over police help Wednesday, 7 June 2006
An activist from the Respect Party has urged Muslims in east London to stop co-operating with police.
Yvonne Ridley, who became a Muslim after her kidnap by the Taleban in Afghanistan five years ago, has accused the police of being heavy-handed.
She told a meeting of the Newham branch of the Respect Party that Muslims should "boycott" the Met Police.
Police said that to "develop increasing trust" communities and officers needed to talk to each other.
Ms Ridley's comments come in the wake of an anti-terror raid on a house in Forest Gate in which one man was shot.
Respect Councillor Hanif Abdulmuhit said he did not support Ms Ridley's stance.
She told a meeting on Tuesday that Muslims should "boycott the police and refuse to co-operate with them in any way, shape or form."
She said: "From today until this terrorisation of the Muslim community is stopped immediately, I believe all Muslims should withdraw their support," she said.
"This goes from asking the community copper for directions to passing the time of day with a beat officer.
"We should enforce non-co-operation."
Speaking on Wednesday morning, Ms Ridley defended her comments.
"I called for zero tolerance with the Metropolitan Police, the force which has demonstrated time and time again its Islamophobic attitudes," she told BBC News.
Men held
Two brothers, Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, and Abul Koyair, 20, were arrested in connection with an alleged terror plot after the raid on Friday.
Mr Kahar was shot in the shoulder during the raid but it is unclear how this happened.
Both the men, who deny the allegations, are still being held without charge at Paddington Green police station.
Commander Steve Allen, the Met's head of territorial police, told BBC News the community played a vital role in combating terrorism.
"What is more likely to develop increasing trust, what's more likely to deliver effective police and community responses to situations like this?
"Is this when we talk to each other, when we spend time trying to understand each other's perspective or is it when we call for complete disengagement?"
He said he could not comment on the raid because the investigation was ongoing.
'Undiluted madness'
But he added: "We're in a position where society has to trust us to make decisions based on sometimes less-than-perfect information.
"We have to recognise that the best interest of the community always lies in preventing acts of terrorism and we have to make those difficult decisions about when to act and when not to act."
Mr Abdulmuhit, who attended Tuesday's meeting said: "If someone, for example, comes to me now and says 'Hanif I'm sitting in my kitchen making a bomb to blow X up', I will go to the police.
"That's solid evidence I know for sure.
"We need to co-operate with the police," he said.
Shadow home secretary David Davis described Ms Ridley's comments as "sheer, undiluted madness".
"To not co-operate would be of no benefit to the Muslim community; no benefit to the police; and no benefit to the security of our country."
Cafe search after terror arrests Police guarding a property in Bradford Police said they valued the support of residents and community leaders Detectives are searching an internet cafe in Bradford following two arrests under terrorism laws earlier this week.
A 16-year-old boy was held in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, on Wednesday, while a 21-year-old from Bradford was detained at Manchester Airport the previous day.
Detectives searched several properties in West Yorkshire and it is thought the pair have been questioned over an alleged terror plot in Canada.
West Yorkshire police called for local communities to remain united.
The force's spokeswoman said they were "working hard to bring the inquiry to a conclusion as quickly as possible".
The PC Vision cafe in Manningham Lane is the latest in a string of searches police have carried out over the past two days.
The 21-year-old man arrested at Manchester Airport is believed to be of Pakistani origin.
West Yorkshire Police, MI5, and the Metropolitan Police took part in the operation to arrest him, although armed officers were not involved.
The investigation is not being linked to the arrests in Forest Gate, east London.
Security sources have told the BBC the police's inquiries relate to arrests in the Toronto area of Canada over an alleged al-Qaeda-inspired plot.
The West Yorkshire force has so far not confirmed any connection with operations in Canada.
Two men arrested after a raid on a house in east London have been released without charge, Scotland Yard said.
Police questioned two brothers, one of whom was shot during the raid, on suspicion of terrorism involvement.
Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, and Abul Koyair, 20, both denied the allegations. They were held after a major raid in Forest Gate last Friday.
Police are now said to continuing their search for chemical materials elsewhere after finding nothing at their house.
The men, who had been held under the Terrorism Act 2000, were released shortly before 2030 BST on Friday.
Inquiry continues
As the men were released, police confirmed officers had completed their search of the raided property in Lansdown Road.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We appreciate the police operation has caused inconvenience and disruption to the occupants of the house.
They deserve the support of the community in doing what is often a very hazardous and dangerous job John Reid, Home Secretary
"We will be contacting the owners to make appropriate arrangements for the property to be handed back to them.
"We will also be undertaking appropriate restoration work in consultation with the owners."
The statement added that intelligence received by police "continues to be developed" and that the Met Police "will continue to exhaust all lines of inquiry".
BBC correspondent Andy Tighe said sources believe the original intelligence was credible and police are continuing their hunt for "some sort of chemical, home-made device".
In a statement issued after the brothers were freed, Home Secretary John Reid said the police are acting in the "best interests of the whole community".
"They therefore deserve the support of the community in doing what is often a very hazardous and dangerous job that often involves difficult decisions."
Anti-terror police raided the house at Forest Gate last week after saying they received "specific intelligence" that a chemical device might be found there.
Scotland Yard later said they had "no choice" but to act while the prime minister said it was essential officers took action if they received "reasonable" intelligence suggesting a terror attack.
Tony Blair said he backed the police and security services 101% and he refused to be drawn on suggestions that the armed operation had been a failure.
But Muslim leaders had warned police could lose the trust of Forest Gate residents if the situation was not clarified.
Inayat Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Britain, said the raid looked to have been a "terrible mistake".
We do hope that the appropriate lessons will be learned by all involved in this tragic incident. Muslim Council of Britain
"Today's decision to release the two brothers without charge confirms their innocence," he told the BBC.
He said the raid had created quite a bit of unease in the Muslim community - particularly amongst the younger generation.
"We do hope that the appropriate lessons will be learned by all involved in this tragic incident... the release of these two brothers may go some way to undoing the damage caused," he said.
The Islamic Human Rights Commission said the arrests were "another indictment of police and intelligence service anti-terrorist policy".
IHRC chairman Massoud Shadjareh said: "This policy is criminalising and victimising a community that is running out of patience."
Earlier on Friday, around 100 people gathered outside Forest Gate police station to protest about last week's raid. They chanted slogans and waved plaques condemning the police and government.
Protest organisers claimed the raid was symptomatic of oppression of the Islamic community.
Earlier in the day, Humeya Kalam, the sister of the two brothers, also criticised the police action.
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So, 250 cops raided on the basis of this INcredible intelligence someone, somewhere floated, an innocent man was shot, again, kickings and beatings ensued and the victims get a half-arsed apology from assistant command units in among words to the effect of 'this is how we do it now'.
The state is romping around shooting people, yet the news is full of stories about knife crime and how nobody should even have knives, much less guns.
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