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Once all the people had returned to their original 4 cars, the Honda Civic, with its three people on board, 5 was followed away from the meeting in Crawley to an 6 address in Leeds, an address to which the car was in 7 fact registered under the name of a lady called 8 Hasina Patel.
This goes a long way to explaining the original reports of Rachid Facha.
I remember musings at the time that it seemed Khan had been traced through his wife, and the wrong guy, also married to a Hasina Patel, was given by the media. It was spelt wrongly anyway, IIRC amtte found the marriage certificate between Hasina Patel and Rashid Sacha. Maybe the media were given the name Hasina Patel and they searched about to find Hasina Patel in the Dewsbury area and found the wrong one?
14 Q. Can you recall when it was that you started to look at 15 the CCTV cameras at King's Cross? 16 A. We started to look at the CCTV cameras at King's Cross 17 immediately. 18 Q. On the 7th? 19 A. Immediately on the 7th, but because our focus at that 20 stage was on platform footage, it was set to one side at 21 that point because there was no coverage. 22 Q. Do you recall how many CCTV cameras there were, in fact, 23 at King's Cross at that time? 24 A. King's Cross, there was, I understand, a temporary 25 system in place and there were 76 cameras that were
1 effectively working on one-second movements between each 2 camera at that time. 3 Q. Did you then turn your attention, following the receipt 4 of information as to the persons who might have been 5 responsible for the attacks, to trying to spot them 6 through examination of the CCTV cameras at King's Cross 7 and at the Thameslink station? 8 A. There was -- information from the bomb scenes led us to 9 review that potentially there could be the potential of 10 a suicide -- it could have been a suicide attack, so 11 I had the King's Cross tape reviewed for that purpose. 12 Q. Can you recall on what day you first spotted a number of 13 men walking through the King's Cross area, in particular 14 through the Thameslink station carrying rucksacks? 15 A. It was on 11 July 2005, sir. 16 Q. So on the Monday? 17 A. It was, yes. 18 Q. Can you recall what it was about the appearance of those 19 men on the CCTV that alerted you to the fact that you 20 might have identified the bombers? 21 A. My officer, who was engaged in the actual CCTV recovery, 22 was ex-military. He saw the four individuals walking 23 through and they were walking two by two and he felt it 24 was significant. They were carrying large rucksacks and 25 he brought my attention to it. I concurred with him
1 that it was a matter of priority for us.
I was very confused at this point as DC Kindness seemed to infer there was no CCTV footage from KX. A great deal of footage was shown of the 28/6/05 despite DC Kindness claiming that LU only keep CCTV for 7 days. This included the purchasing of tickets to the underground at KX from outside KX mainline station. Video shown from the 7/7 showed them descending down the stairs at KX Thameslink but the timings were showing 07.22.44, despite similar footage shown from the 28/06 not showing a similar discrepancy in these timings (afair).
3 of the witnesses (Sylvia Waugh, Susan Clarke and Joseph Martoccia) all described 4-6 men. Ben Leech describes 3 men on his Thameslink carriage and Karl Sylvester described 2 on his carriage (carriage 4) implying they travelled separately from Luton to KX.
The Micra parking ticket was purchased at 6.56 and expired at 2am on 8/07/05. The Micra was issued with a PCN on 11/07/05 - why wasn't it towed away the same day as in the case of the Brava? The Brava's PCN was issued at 5.53 am on the 7th and apparently there is CCTV of it being towed away that evening.
Susan Clarke approaches a BTP officer at St Pancras with details she had taken of the Micra on Tuesday 12th July (she'd also taken a picture of the car and noted it didn't have any wheel caps).
1 A. This is again the alternate view of the front-on view as 2 they come down the stairs. 3 In the next image, this is the last sighting of 4 Lindsay, Khan and Tanweer. This was the first CCTV 5 sighting that we had on the unit on this enquiry as they 6 pass through towards the underground station. 7 Q. Is this at the King's Cross Thameslink end of the 8 passage or of the King's Cross underground end? 9 A. This is at the Thameslink end. 10 Q. Is that the last sighting of the four bombers together? 11 A. That's correct, sir, yes. 12 Q. My Lady, with your leave, we'll return tomorrow to the 13 remainder of the CCTV evidence, which is concerned with 14 Hussain in the King's Cross area, the remaining footage, 15 or a very short selection of footage, in relation to the 16 Aldgate platform, and the footage that exists in 17 relation to the number 30 bus.
Doesn't sound as if they are intending to show anything new, if in fact they have it.
Mr Patterson representing the bereaved asks the sort of questions that Hugo Keith avoids. This is the iconic image of euphoric huggers, shame that the descriptions don't match some of the men.
QUOTE ("13/10/10 pm")
6 MR PATTERSON: I'll repeat, Mr Martoccia. There were 7 a number of people in the group, you went into a meeting 8 that morning, came out of the meeting about 11.00 and 9 learned of the news that was coming through about the 10 bombings. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. You went home and watched or listened to the news that 13 evening about the bombings, is that right? 14 A. Actually, because the trains were in a bit of chaos, my 15 secretary sent a car for me from Cambridge. So I was 16 actually listening to the news reports unfolding during 17 the afternoon, the journey back from -- it was Harrow, 18 up to Cambridge. So it was that afternoon that I learnt 19 about it, and that's when I picked up the details and 20 made the call the following morning. 21 Q. Right. So you appreciated immediately that you may well 22 have seen the bombers? 23 A. Indeed, yes, yes. 24 Q. As you say, you rang the police the very next morning. 25 A. Yes.
1 Q. Obviously you were aware that what you had seen would be 2 important in terms of the police investigation into 3 identifying the bombers. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. So the statement that you made was on 27 July within 6 a few weeks when things were obviously very fresh in 7 your memory? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. In the statement, what you said was four to six men. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. So presumably, although you couldn't be certain about 12 it, that was your best -- 13 A. Yes, it was. 14 Q. -- estimate of the number in the group, is that right? 15 A. Yes, yes. 16 Q. Today, obviously, five years later, you wouldn't seek to 17 change that, that remains -- 18 A. I couldn't honestly say that, you know, it was four or 19 definitely six now. It was -- 20 Q. Four or five? 21 A. Indeed. 22 Q. That was the group? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. You've described their behaviour and I don't ask you 25 about that other than simply I think the word you used
1 in your statement was they almost appeared "euphoric"? 2 A. Yes, indeed. 3 Q. Such was their happiness and excitement? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. One of the people that you described -- I'm looking at 6 your statement on the second page -- in the following 7 terms: 8 "He was shorter than the others ..." 9 You've touched upon this shorter man. 10 "... shorter than the 6' 2" man, in his late teens, 11 fairly slight in build, heavily gelled, curly hair, 12 green rucksack." 13 The top that he was wearing you described as being 14 white. 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Was that an accurate description in that statement made 17 back in July 2005? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. So a white top? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Late teens and, in terms of his height, roughly what 22 sort of height did he seem to be? 23 A. 5' 6", something like that, probably no more than that. 24 Q. This person with a white top with a green rucksack, 25 those were details that you remembered and that you
1 passed on to the police? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. You have indicated that you only saw Asian-looking men 4 and you don't remember seeing an Afro-Caribbean-looking 5 man? 6 A. Correct. 7 Q. In particular, image number 2 that was just shown to you 8 a moment or two ago, who we know to be Jermaine Lindsay, 9 you don't remember seeing him? 10 A. No, no. 11 Q. At the time, you didn't remember seeing him? 12 A. No. 13 Q. The man that you saw heading in the direction of the 14 Piccadilly Line is the man who you've identified from 15 the pictures as being -- who we know to be 16 Hasib Hussain? 17 A. Yes, number 1. 18 MR PATTERSON: Thank you very much. I have no more 19 questions.
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QUOTE (July 7 Inquests 13th Oct am)
.... MR KEITH: As we'll see in due course, there was obviously 24 a strong correlation between the times at which they 25 arrived at Luton on 28 June and the times that they were
1 at Luton on 7 July. 2 [B][DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. That's correct, sir. 3 Q. In relation to the parking spaces, was there also 4 a correlation there? 5 [DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. Yes, there was.[/B] 6 Q. Who can we see there? 7 [DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. That's Mohammed Sidique Khan who goes and gets a ticket 8 for the parking, and shortly you'll see Shehzad Tanweer 9 exit the vehicle. Mohammed Khan is wearing 10 light-coloured trousers with side pockets and a green 11 T-shirt and a light-coloured baseball cap, clearly not 12 apparent on this image, but we'll see that when he gets 13 to the station. 14 Shehzad Tanweer is wearing light-coloured tracksuit 15 bottoms, a dark T-shirt with "Puma" written in white 16 across the chest. 17 Q. Officer, it may be self-evident, but presumably your 18 officers have had to look at the material again and 19 again and again and again, in order to be able to see 20 anything of assistance from what to us appears a pretty 21 difficult grainy image? 22 [DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. Of course, and we've got the benefit of referring to 23 this imagery when this precis is compiled, we're looking 24 at it holistically, in terms of the images where we know 25 what the clothing is that they're wearing. Clearly on
1 these images, that can't be identified.
8 Q. If we may pause it there, there's been a great deal of 9 comment on certain websites and on the internet about 10 the accuracy of that, amongst other pictures, the 11 pictures of the three men outside the station on 12 28 June.[There has been a great deal of comment regarding the 'July 7' 'railing' photo, certainly, but hardly 'a great deal of comment' regarding the June 28 image. Strange that the question should centre around this.] There's been comment about the accuracy of the 13 CCTV that we've seen there. 14 Can you help us, please, about the way in which CCTV 15 records images? Is it a continuous, moving recording of 16 what is going on in front of the camera, or is there 17 a jump or any kind of break in that recording process? 18[DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. If you were -- yes, there is. If you had a real-time 19 camera recording real-time activity then there would be 20 no jump and the movements would be fluid as us standing 21 here today. The situation with a number of systems is 22 that they have to compromise in the update time of the 23 CCTV system in order to cover a number of cameras in 24 their system. So then what you will have is a break of 25 time whilst the system updates.
1 Potentially, that is data that's not on the system 2 and you won't be able to find. So that can sometimes 3 show -- it appears as though there's parts of the 4 footage missing, but they just haven't been recorded 5 because of the update process. 6 Q. Do you have any grounds whatsoever for doubting the 7 accuracy of the images recorded and retained by the CCTV 8 system? 9 [DETECTIVE INSPECTOR EWAN KINDNESS] A. This CCTV system? 100 per cent confident, sir. [100% confident of grounds for doubting or 100% confident of the accuracy, or is KINDNESS just 100% confident ? - Note that KINDNESS does not answer the question put to him]
The CCTV discussed in the coroner's court on 13th October 2010, morning session, pages 26 to 35 would appear to be from the June 28th CCTV footage. KINDNESS stated earlier that there was usually a 7 day retention of London Underground CCTV before over-writing & 14 days retention before over-writingon on mainline station CCTV.
No probing questions as to how the June 28th footage was retained/discovered on 11th July, though....
3 Q. Yes, quite a difference, and this is the material that 4 is generally overwritten within seven days? 5 A. This material is a very rare base to try to actually 6 find this on CCTV systems. [??? - 'a very rare base to try to actually find' ? what does this mean. Does the court query this statement?:] 7 Q. Then back to King's Cross Thameslink. 8 A. That's correct. 9 Q. How long were they in London, roughly, on that occasion? 10 A. They sort of -- back at King's Cross Thameslink at 11 12.50. So we're looking at nearly five hours. Well, 12 four hours, four and a half hours. 13 Q. Yes, just over three, I suppose. 14 Then after that, there are, I think, some ten or 15 eleven further clips of them arriving back at Luton 16 railway station, but for our purposes, that concludes 17 the CCTV in relation to their presence in London on that 18 day. 19 A. That's correct, sir. 20 Q. So we've not played, today, those sections relating to 21 Luton railway station. 22 A. That's correct.
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