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It's a very good letter UB and it's great that you've taken the time to write it. The 'some witnesses' that Burke claims heard Hussain scream are Richard Jones, who said:
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"What I did hear just before the explosion was an excruciating scream ... a crazy scream," he said. He could not tell whether the voice was male or female. Source
The only other person to mention a scream was John Falding, who was on the phone to his partner, Anat Rosenberg, when the explosion happened:
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That was the last word she spoke. As soon as she said newsletter I heard this dreadful scream in the background. Then after a few seconds her phone went dead." Source
The Times claimed that "passengers" had heard a scream:
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A second before the explosion, passengers heard a man’s piercing scream of terror from the back of the bus. One described the sound as “ghastly, and not of this world”. Source
But according to this blog, that description came from John Falding who was, of course, not a passenger on the bus.
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Realizing that the bus was being diverted into Tavistock Square, Jones asked the driver to be let out. As he walked away, he heard an awful scream. John Falding heard it too. He was at home, talking to his girlfriend, Anat Rosenburg, who was on the bus. I told her there has been an incident at Liverpool Street and Edgware Road, Falding said. Just then, I heard a scream in the background. It was ghastly, not of this world. It was high-pitched and I think it might have been a man. Source
Either way, it is incorrect and misleading to say that 'witnesses' heard Hussain scream, when there is no way of knowing where this scream came from. A scream that only two people have mentioned, one of them being regularly credited as seeing Hussain when provably he did no such thing.
Jason Burke contributed to this article from July 2005 that contains similar inaccuracies. These were questionable even at the time - the fact that journalists are actively misleading the public about these men 2½ years on is inexcusable.
Bridget - I only just noticed your post about my comment, thanks - I didn't realise when posting that LaxativeFunction was going to use the same link as me! I wish it had been someone with a less *cough* evocative name to quote in a post.
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And managed to post it today after all . . . !!
I agree totally, I have seen comments that have said 'a scream' or 'screams' were heard, but nobody has ever been able to pinpoint the source.
I do find a perverse amusement in the fact that Jason Burke is an 'expert' in Al-Qaeda (an organisation that doesn't exist) and is writing about an iconic image (that doesn't exist) . . . . how does one go about getting these kind of jobs? . . . . No, no don't tell me . . they don't exist . . . .
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What Kier and the Antagonist noted on another subject here,
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QUOTE (Kier @ Jan 23 2008, 11:36 PM)
The MP for Bridgend, despite saying that the notion that someone would kill themselves to get a memorial website 'defies belief' paradoxically believes this to be the case.
Clever eh? It's only not doublethink if you don't notice it. This, "This thing defies belief, but I'm going to believe it and act upon it as if it were the case" approach is so fatiguingly common that it's a wonder they still get away with it.
also applies to Jason Burke's final paragraph tucked away at the end of all the other waffle.
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There are no such testimonies available in the UK, and we will never know what the London bombers were thinking as they said goodbye to each other in front of Boots at King's Cross station. We will never know what Hasib Hussain thought as he pulled out his mobile and called the three other men whom he must have suspected were already dead. We will not know exactly what he meant when he left a message saying, 'I can't get on the Northern Line,' and asking what he should do. Did he mean, perhaps, that his resolve had failed? At the time of the call much of the Northern Line was still open.
None of that makes any sense, but if you repeat it often enough the words lose all meaning and one can acheive a comforting sense of knowing everything there is to know.
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Jason Burke, Big article in the Observer
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