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 Pakistan timeline development, Crevice, Rhyme and Theseus
amirrortotheenemy
Posted: Mar 26 2007, 12:24 AM





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AA - Abu Annis
HRA - Haroon Rashid Aswat
NA - Nadeem Ashraf
SA - Salahuddin Amin
DB - Dhiren Barot, Issa al-Hindi
MJB - Mohammed Junaid Babar
WG - Wasim Gulzaar
OK - Omar Khyam
AHaI - Abdul Hadi al-Iraqi, Al-Qaeda's no. 3
MNNK - Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, Abu Talha
MSK - Mohammed Siddique Khan
AFaL - Abu Farraj al-Libi
AMaM - Abu Munthar al-Meghrebi, 'Obaid'
SM - Shujah Mahmood
WM - Waheed Mahmood
AeS - Adnan el Shukrijumah
ZS - Zeeshan Hyder Siddiqui
ST - Shahzad Tanweer
MY - Mohammed Yasin, Ustad Osman, Ustad Osama, Afzal Shaan, Faisal Mostafa

Undated item - SA contacted AA via AMaM, according to SA, AA said they had made contact with the Russian mafia in Belgium.
Undated item - ZS is an associate of AFaL

1999/2000 - SA visits Pakistan.

2000/2001 - SA returns to Luton and attends the Univeristy of Hertfordshire. Drops out and becomes a taxi driver. First time meets with AMaM, AQ, WM and OK at a mosque in Luton. Comes under the influence of 'Aftab' [AM?]. Makes financial donations to the Kashmiri cause via 'Aftab'. 'Aftab' later dies in Afghanistan.

2001 Summer - SA is in Pakistan for his sister's wedding. Visits a training camp.

2001.09 - MJB sets up an office for Al Muhajiroun in Peshwar, Pakistan. Sajeel Shahid also helps set up the Pakistani branch of Al Muhajiroun.MJB later moves to Muslimtown, Lahore.

2001 - SA returns to England

2001.11.25 - SA moves to Pakistan. While in Pakistan SA works in his uncle's business and makes financial contributions via AQ to AMaM towards the cause in Afghanistan.

2001.12 - MJB moves to an apartment at Abrar Centre on Wahdat Road in Muslim Town, Lahore.

2001 Late - 'Asim' [ZS?], a man from East London, with ties to the Crawley group introduces his flatmate, MJB, to WM as a contact. 'Asim' suggests that WM would be able to arrange trips to Afghanistan and/or training. Allegedly 'Asim' wants to go to Afghanistan for jihad.

2002.01 - 2002.03 - MMK is in Pakistan

2002.04-12 - MJB works as a regional manager for the Pakistan Software Export Board, a company set-up by Sajeel Shahid's elder brother Sohail.

2002.05 - WM visits MJB in Lahore.

2002 Early or Mid - In Pakistan NA first suggests to MJB and WM to attend training camps.

2003 MNNK rents a flat in Reading.

2003 - WG in Pakistan

2003 Early - MJB returns to Pakistan and lives in a flat called Eden Heights, Lahore

2003.02 - OK arrives in Pakistan. MJB meets up with WM and AG in Gujar Khan [Rawalpindi District, Punjab, Pakistan] near Islamabad. SA later joins them. WM suggests that a new convert to Islam should receive explosives training and then return to England to train others. OK travels from Islamabad to visist MJB and 'Haleem' in Lahore. OK brought up the idea of using refined sugar and aluminium powder for explosives

2003.02.10 - AG arrives in Pakistan.

2003 Spring - MJB, OK and WM return to England

2003.05 - MJB returns to Pakistan. AG staying at Safari Hotel, Lahore, moves in with MJB at 13-S Ilyas Street.

2003.05.07 - OK arrives in Pakistan

2003 June - MJB, WM, OK and SA receive training in Kohat, in a house where AG had stayed. A man called 'Tarik' or 'Majid' is the lead instructor. Also in attendence was a man called 'Ayoub'. OK and AG set up a training camp in Malakand using money from WM's brother-in-law and and AGs brother Lamine. MJB and OK meet SA in Rawalpindi

2003.06 - OK talks to MJB of attacking pubs, nightclubs and trains in the UK.

2003.06.09-12 - MJB, OK, AG and two others travel to Karachi to obtain funds from 'Riaz'. They stay in Avari Hotel during this time.

2003.06.27 SM arrives in Pakistan

2003.07.16 - MMK arrives in Pakistan

2003.07.25 - JA arrives in Pakistan

2003.07 - The group (OK, MJB, SM, AG, JA, MMK but excluding SA who stayed in Islamabad) attended a training camp in Pakistan, firstly to Kalam then to Malakand. JA came to Pakistan through Islamabad to attend the training. The group bar SA, OK and MJB all returned to England.

2003.07 - MJB and ZS attend training in Upper Dir. MSK is also a participant. MJB and ZS afterwards travel to Angor Adda, Shakai and the Shawal valley. During their travels they meet with AMaM and AHaI. AMaM arranges for ZS to travel to Peshawar.

2003.08 - OK returns to England.

2004.01 - MJB travels to England. Meets with OK, SM, WM, JA and AG at varying times.

2004.02 - MJB returns to Pakistan. OK contacts SA requesting detail of how to make explosives, having forgotten the specifics taught in Pakistan. SA contacts AMaM in regards to this.

2004.02.20 - OK and SM waiting at Heathrow for MMK arrival. MMK met in MJB and HRA in Londnon. MMK left for Canada by the 22nd.

2004.02.20-22 - Meeting in WG's home in Crawley.

2004.03 - Meeting between MNNK, DB, AeS, MJB and an unknown youth [HRA?] in Lahore, Pakistan.

2004.03.29 - MMK, arrested Canada

2004.04.06 - OK, SM and AK were due to fly out to Karachi.

2004.06.12 - Arrest of Musaad Aruchi.

2004.07.13 - Arrest of MNNK.

2004.07.15 - Arrest of Ahmed Khalfan Ghailini, which leads to the Operation Rhyme arrests in August.

2004.11.19 - MSK and ZT arrive in Karachi on flight TK-1056.

2004/2005 - ST spends most of his time in Kottan, a village north of Faisalabad. MSK visits ST in Kottan twice. ST meets with ZS at a madrasssa near Lahore. MSK allegedly studies at the Darul Uloom Haqqinia, near Peshawar. MSK allegedly meets with MY, an explosive specialist with Al-Qaeda.

2005.02.08 - SA travels from Islamabad to England and is arrested at Heathrow airport. MSK and ST travel on flight TK-1056 to London.

2005.05.18 - ZS arrested in Shabaqdar village, located 20 miles north of Peshawar.

2005.07.06 - 'K' [HRA] leaves the country.

2005.07 - HRA is reported to have been arrested in Lahore, Pakistan [Source: Asian Wall Street Journal]

2005.07.28 - HRA is arrested in Zambia.

Principal sources:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1739086,00.html
http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsAug2005/cover1aug2005.htm
http://cryptome.org/r-v-khyam-01.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2006/08/13/nat1.htm
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p..._7-9-2005_pg1_5

Notes:
AFAIK Lamine Rahman, Waheed Mahmood's brother-in-law and Azar Khan (possibly OK's uncle) have never been arrested. There's a UK director by the name of Azar Khan with a Belgian address. SM and OK's father runs a textile business with links both to Pakistan and Belgium.

Nadeem Ashraf was arrested and later released.

The person arrested in Lahore July '05 was a ceramics salesman with the surname of Aswat. Haroon's father operates an ceramcis business with links to Pakistan.

A relative of Wasim Gulzar was arrested over the August 2006 airline plots, their house was searched in March '04, but seemingly no arrests were made.

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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 01:17 PM





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The person called Afzal Shaan in the article below seems to be an alias for Faisal Mostafa, who had escaped prison sentences for terror plots in 1996 and 2002. His other aliases would then be Mohammed Yasin and Ustad Osman, quoted in the timeline.

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7/7 bombers wanted to kill English, Australian cricketers
PTI
Sunday, October 08, 2006  14:31 IST

LONDON: In a startling report, a leading newspaper has claimed that the London bombers were initially ordered by Al-Qaeda to assassinate the England and Australian cricket teams during the 2005 Ashes series.

Quoting a friend of one of the terrorists, 'The Sunday Times', said Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer allegedly received the orders at a training camp near Kotli, in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir, in December 2004.

The claims have been made by a family friend of Hasib Hussain, the bus bomber who killed 13 people. The friend, who is willing to pass his information to the police, uses a pseudonym, Ahmed Hafiz.

According to 32-year-old Hafiz, the bombers were instructed to get jobs as stewards at the Edgbaston cricket ground and spray sarin gas inside the changing rooms.

The second Test between England and Australia, whose governments have supported Washington in the war on terror, began on August 4, 2005.

Hafiz, whose family has known the Hussains for 25 years, said he had received details of the bombers' visit from members of his extended family, who are involved in running the camp in PoK [Pakistan occupied Kashmir].

He claimed 22-year-old Tanweer objected to the plot, possibly because he himself was a cricketer. He was told by a witness that Tanweer argued with Khan, 30, and a scuffle between them had to be broken up by a minder.

Both the England and Australian teams are currently in India for the 10-nation Champions Trophy cricket tournament which began in Mohali, Punjab on Saturday.

Hafiz also provided a picture of the minder, who was allegedly shot last August.

Later, Hafiz claims, the camp's commanders -- militants affiliated to Al-Qaeda -- revealed the plot to bomb the London Underground to Khan and Tanweer.

"It was always there, as Plan B," said Hafiz.

Although it was known the two bombers visited Pakistan in November 2004, until now no details have emerged about which camp they attended.

However, last week, locals in Kotli said all training camps in the region had been suspended since autumn 2004, under pressure from the ISI, Pakistan's military intelligence agency. But there are still militant safe houses in the area, the report said.

According to Hafiz, the camp commanders put Khan and Tanweer in touch with a bomb-making expert, who was based in Birmingham.

The expert, known as Afzal Shaan, is said to be a chemistry graduate from a British university who is in his forties, bald and usually clean-shaven.


Hafiz also provides an explanation for Khan's emergence as the ringleader of the London bombers.

Khan was a friend of Omar Sharif, the Derby-based terrorist who tried to blow himself up in Tel Aviv in 2003. While his associate killed three people, Sharif's bomb failed and he fled the scene. His body was found two weeks later washed up on the beach.

"That was the turning point for Sidique. He felt angry," said Hafiz. "He changed from being a cheerleader of jihad to one of those people who became active."

Hafiz claimed that Khan first visited the camp in POK in the summer of 2003 on his own, after being given an introduction by an 'imam' in Leeds. Neither the police nor the security services know of the Muslim cleric and his involvement with Khan.

The camp commanders were impressed when they saw Khan ceremonially sacrifice a bull and told him to return to the UK and prepare a group of friends willing to be martyrs.

Source


Anybody have any idea who this Ahmed Hafiz or the imam is?

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Muslims 'plotted bomb campaign'

Last Updated: 11:31pm GMT 17/01/2002

SECRET agents foiled a bombing plot by two Muslims, a court was told yesterday.

Moinul Abedin, 31, and Dr Faisal Mostafa, 37, bought materials from stores in the West Midlands to make explosive devices, Birmingham Crown Court was told.

The chemicals were kept in a rented house in Birmingham and an industrial unit. The two men were arrested after an MI5 operation.

Colman Treacy, QC, prosecuting, said there was no indication that the men, both Bangladeshis, belonged to a terrorist group. There was also no indication of their target.

Abedin, of Sparkbrook, Birmingham, and Mostafa, of Stockport, Greater Manchester, deny the allegations. They face a joint charge of conspiracy to cause explosions to endanger life.

The men were arrested in separate operations in Birmingham on Nov 17 2000.

"Fortunately, their plans didn't come to fruition," Mr Treacy said. "The devices and the materials they were preparing were never used."

The court heard that Abedin and Mostafa, a chemistry graduate, used a rented house in Sparkhill, Birmingham and a unit at the IMEX business park in nearby Tyseley to store raw materials and equipment.

Abedin was seen putting two bin liners outside the house on Nov 15. Traces of a high explosive were found on gloves in the bags.

The case continues.

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As for choice of detonator there is an apparent continuity between Mostafa's plot and Hasib Hussain narrative. They both allegedly went for a 9v battery to use as the detonator.

The following is from a blogger since I couldn't find a reference to a 9v battery in Mostafa's news coverage

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« PDB: August 4, 2005  | An American in Romania »

London Bombings: Part 10

04.08.05 22:01:15
Strap on your helmet lined with the metal of your choice because it's time for Part 10 of this series.

Disclaimer time - I know that investigating the oddities of published reports puts me in the company of some real nuts and wackos. I also know that questioning or querying the official reports as they come in tends to aggravate some people, who don't even want to hear it. So be it, on both accounts.

Secondly, I have no idea who set up these bombs and I'm not saying I do. My job is to ask questions not to promulgate answers. If you think I'm pointing the finger at group X or group Y and saying "they did it" then you aren't reading what I'm writing.

Thirdly, I am fully aware the investigation is not over and I do hope that when it is completed a lot of these questions will be answered.

Furthermore, let me add something I read in a book. From Pattern Recognition pages 293-294:

    There must always be room for coincidence. When there's not, you're probably well into apophenia, each thing perceived as a part of an overarching pattern of conspiracy. And while comforting yourself with the symmetry of it all, you stood all too real chance of missing the genuine threat, which was invariably less symmetrical, less perfect.


Fair enough?

This case has already taken a number of strange and odd turns. And now we have one more bit of weirdness, which is that the New York Police Department decided to hold a sort of press conference yesterday and make a number of revelations about the case:

    The July 7 attackers used hair bleach and citric acid to prepare the explosives that killed 52 innocent people in London four weeks ago and set off their bombs with mobile phones, according to the New York Police Department.

    Ray Kelly, the New York Police Commissioner, told a mixed audience of police and private security officials from New York's banks, hotels and storage facilities that the explosives used on July 7 were not military grade, as was originally thought, but were made of products that can be bought on any high street.

    "Initially it was thought that perhaps the materials were high-end military explosives that were smuggled, but it turns out not to be the case," said Commissioner Kelly. "It’s more like these terrorists went to a hardware store or some beauty supply store."

    According to NYPD investigators, some of whom flew to London within hours of the attacks on July 7, the three bombs that exploded within seconds of each other on the Underground system were probably detonated by mobile phones with their alarms set for 8.50am.

    In an unusually detailed briefing, officials from the NYPD's large anti-terrorism department, said that the bombs used a peroxide-based explosive called HMTD, or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine. HMTD can be mixed from mundane ingredients such as hydrogen peroxide (hair bleach).

Right off the bat you can see how odd this is - the NYPD revealing all kinds of information in an "unusually detailed" briefing. The NYPD's website doesn't yet include a transcript of this briefing (if it ever will) so we'll have to rely on a number of different articles to learn Kelly said.

I'm going to skip over the information about the explosive for now and focus on the other details. Cell phones? That's extremely interesting because we have already determined in other parts of this series that cell/mobile phone calls are not possible in the underground sections of the London subway system.

However what Kelly seems to be referring to is using cell phones as timers rather than as remote activators of bombs. Using a cell phone as a timer is extremely simple and was how the bombs were set off in the Madrid attacks in 2004.

Many mobile phones, including an extremely common and cheap Nokia model I used to own (in Europe), have an "alarm" feature. These phones can be turned completely off and will turn themselves on at the time of the alarm (a picture of what I'm talking about here). So this is a very credible explanation from Commissioner Kelly, except for the fact that it goes completely against all the other reports which say there weren't any timing devices found.

Of course many ordinary people died on the train explosions and many of them may have had cell phones in their possession, thus mixing those components into the wreckage at the blast site. But for police to be able to link a particular cell phone with the bomb means that there is some kind of connecting evidence. The problem is that if the cell phone is connected to a bomb of any significant explosive power, it would be disintegrated into fragments.

The way the Madrid police determined that cell phones were used as timing devices in the 2004 attacks was when they discovered an unexploded bomb which had the timer set incorrectly (PM instead of AM). Police then tracked down the cell phone vendor and the fingerprints on the phone, which led to more evidence and suspects and eventually to the case being resolved.

I think Kelly in this case is extrapolating a little bit too heavily on the issue of cell phones-as-timers. I note that he said "probably used" rather than a more definitive statement.

One more paragraph from the above article:

    After the briefing, Paul Browne, an NYPD spokesman, said the department had clearance from British authorities to present the information about the explosives used on July 7.

Well that all seems to imply that the NYPD asked the British before divulging all this information. So why would the British police want the NYPD to reveal new information to the public? Police departments thrive on big cases because it gives all the top brass a chance to see themselves on television. Why let the Americans steal the limelight?

Today's Washington Post has a different take on the matter:

    Britain's anti-terrorist branch would not confirm the U.S reports and have previously said details about the explosives could be an important part of their probe. Officers indicated they were unhappy with the U.S. revelations.

    "It's not something that we would normally want to do," Deputy Chief Constable Andy Trotter of the British Transport Police told BBC Radio. "That's a matter for them."

    U.S. officials, who said the British had given them clearance to release the information, told the briefing the bombers used a volatile peroxide-based explosive called HMTD, or hexamethylene triperoxide diamine.

    This can be made from simple ingredients such as hair bleach, which contains hydrogen peroxide, citric acid, and heat tablets, sometimes used by the military to cook food.

Reading between the lines here, I think that the British police were ok with the NYPD talking to other police agencies and security firms about the bombs in an effort to warn them about what to be on the lookout for. I think however that they did not want this information to be put in the newspaper.

So let's talk about this explosive, identified as hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD).

Wikipedia just describes it as an explosive often used in improvised devices made from ordinary ingredients. This is true. The various news reports list the ingredients as "bleach, citric acid and military heating tablets".

That's somewhat right. I'm going to go ahead and give a lot of specific information about HMTD because it isn't a secret. Please don't confuse frank and forthright discussions about public information as some kind of advocacy to commit terrorist attacks with explosives.

HMTD is made with three ingredients: hydrogen peroxide, citric acid and a chemical known as hexamethylenetetramine.

The hydrogen peroxide can be found in a number of ordinary products but the simplest way to obtain it is bleach used for changing the color of your hair. Ordinary hair bleach contains between 3 and 6% hydrogen peroxide but you can get it in more concentrated forms from beauty supply stores. HMTD however can be made just fine from the lower percentage product.

The second ingredient is citric acid, which is sold in jars and is a white powder. It's usually sold as a food additive and you can get it from some drug stores and health food stores in the United States.

The third ingredient is the hexamethylenetetramine. There are two ways to get this, one is to buy "solid fuel" products, often used by campers or the military, similar to (but not the same as) Sterno. They are often sold under the brand name Esbit or are referred to as "Hexamine Fuel Tablets". I have no idea about the availability of the commercial forms of these products.

Hexamethylenetetramine can be quite easily synthesized however from formaldehyde and ammonia. In fact, all you do is mix the two liquids (in the right concentration) and let them evaporate and the resulting powder is hexamethylemetetramine.

The process of combining these three ingredients is extraordinarily simple and the only equipment necessary is a couple of glass containers and some ice. A heat source is not even necessary. The liquids are mixed and left to evaporate and the resulting precipitate (powder) is HMTD. I should add here that HMDT looks very similar to crack cocaine.

HMTD, because it is so easy to make, has often been used in amateur pyrotechnics and people curious about making small explosions/exploding devices. Therefore its properties and manufacture are well known. I appreciate the NYPD's informative lecture to police agencies and security firms but really this is something they should all be well aware of already.

Back to the Times article:

    The only unusual piece of equipment the bomb-maker needed to produce large quantities of HMTD was a commercial refridgerator, because the explosive degrades if it is left at room temperature.

    Yesterday, NYPD officials said that an expensive fridge was found in the otherwise rundown flat in Dewsbury, on the outskirts of Leeds, where investigators believe the bombs used on July 7 were built, and that the devices were brought to Luton in cooler boxes in the boots of two cars.

    "In the flophouse where this was built in Leeds, they had commercial grade refrigerators to keep the materials cool," said Michael Sheehan, the NYPD's Deputy Commissioner of Counter Terrorism.

    Mr Sheehan told the conference that the presence of sophisticated cooling equipment in an unlikely place could be "an indicator of a problem".

Actually HMTD doesn't begin to seriously degrade until it reaches temperatures of 70C/158F. It does degrade over time but if stored in proper receptacles, it has a "shelf life" of at least two years. I'm not sure what a "commercial grade" refrigerator is versus an ordinary one, but clearly even "room temperature" in England would never approach anything like 70C/158F.

If indeed these materials were found in a commercial refrigerator the likely explanation is that someone had an old commercial refrigerator and used it simply because it was free. I should add here that HMTD will begin to degrade at "room temperature" but not excessively.

The most important element of storing HMTD is the material in which it is stored (or packed) because it is highly reactive to most metals. There is no "safe" metal to store or place HMTD in because it will rapidly corrode copper, brass, iron, lead or steel. This however can be circumvented by coating the metal with a non-reactive substance such as varnish or cardboard or even grease paper (baking paper). Or it can be stored in plastic, which corresponds to the other reports that 6.25 liter "tupperware" containers were used.

HMTD can be detoned/ignited in two ways - one is a severe shock such as a direct blow or strike or by being ignited. This makes it sensitive to shock, in its pure form. It can be mixed with other substances to provide more stability and I'll discuss that below.

The problem with the 7/7 bombers using HMTD is that it is a "primary" explosive. Most chemical explosives are composed of two elements - a primary explosive and a secondary explosive. The "secondary" explosive is usually much more powerful but more difficult to detonate. Therefore the "primary" explosive, which is less powerful but easier to detonate, is detonated which then detonates the secondary explosive.

HMTD is definitely an explosive but it falls into the first category, a "primary" explosive. A "blasting cap" is the term of a primary explosive which is ignited/detonated to set off the larger and more powerful explosion. Amateurs have been making blasting caps with HMTD for quite a while because of its ease in ignition.

Primary explosives, if in powder form, are often "tamped" or pressed into a receptacle to increase their efficiency and explosive powder. This however is extremely dangerous with HMTD due its sensitivity to shock.

Therefore HMTD, if in its loose and untamped form, is not an extremely powerful explosive. I don't have access to technical data to know how much HMTD it would take to get the explosions that happened on 7/7 therefore it's impossible for me to guess if this was the only explosive the bombers used.

An ordinary cigarette lighter or the equivalent will not cause HMTD to explode - instead it will just burn very brightly and hot. Aside from a strong shock or percussion, the best way to detonate HMTD is by a fuze. There are igniters which can be purchased in craft/hobby stores for model rockets but in the case of HMTD they would be ineffective.

Fuzes can be handmade in a number of different ways which are then ignited by a very low-level electrical charge, certainly less than what a cell/mobile phone has. These fuzes however require some kind of igniter material to detonate the HMTD, in this case making the HMTD the "secondary" explosive in the device.

I should mention here that the military uses electrical igniters called "squibs" which may or may not have been available to whomever manufactured the 7/7 bombs.

Now as I said earlier, HMTD can be stabilized by mixing it with other chemicals to convert it into a plastic explosive. A "plastic explosive" is a term that simply means an explosive that's combined with a stabilizing ingredient. While the stabilizing ingredient helps improve the "shelf life" and would make it much safer to pack/tamp HMTD, it also reduces its effectiveness.

According to the ABC photograph of the bombs left in Luton, the bombs were plastic containers filled with a white substance. This certainly would make sense if they were HMTD. However the bombs also contained nails and screws which would very rapidly corrode in the device and possibly degrade the explosive power of the bomb.

A terrorist seeking to set off more powerful bombs could use HMTD as a primary explosive and other more powerful materials as the secondary, such as RDX. I should mention here that RDX can also be made at home with fairly ordinary ingredients although it does take a little more effort. HMTD is roughly half as powerful as TNT while RDX is roughly 1.2 times more powerful.

Of course I'm not a terrorist and don't know whomever made these bombs so it could be that they just decided to use HMTD because of its simplicity in both manufacture as well as the ease in which the ingredients necessary could be procured.

One more thing to take into consideration is that previous parts of this series a witness reported that a bomb in one train appeared to come from underneath the carriage, exploding upwards. In the case of HMTD being exploded by a percussive force, this is technically possible if the train ran over the device. However this would have to have occurred when the first carriage struck the device and the explosion would've hit the front of the train, i.e. the driver's compartment.

Now here is an ominous addendum to the NYPD's revelations:

    The bombers who botched similar attacks on London on July 21 had similar devices, but their detonators were hand-activated not timed, the U.S. officials revealed.

I'm not quite sure what they mean by "hand activated" but certainly if the bombs were manufactured by the same person(s), that ties the two events together. Up until now, the evidence seemed to be that the 7/7 bombings were extremely sophisticated while the 7/21 bombings were nearly akin to a kind of "prank" by an unrelated group.

Since the 7/21 bombs failed to explode, it could be that they had indeed degraded into a non-explosive compound (which HMTD will do) just two weeks after the 7/7 bombings. If they had been stored in a hot garage in London this is definitely a real possibility.

However I do note that Muslim men (in this case Bangladeshi) have been found with HMTD in Britain in the past - specifically the case against Faisal Mostafa and Moinul Abedin in 2000 (Birmingham). The men had "stockpiled" HMDT but never used it. The apparent choice of detonators, at least what was found in the police raid of their house, was an ordinary 9 volt battery.

Mostafa also had a "50 page document" on how to make the explosives from ordinary items. Of course as I said earlier, this information is widely available on the internet as well. Mostafa was later acquitted of all charges.

So the question remains - who made these bombs? If it wasn't one of the eight bombers (all either dead or arrested), this means that the bomb maker is still on the loose.

What's also extremely ominous about the 7/7 bombings versus the 7/21 ones is that if the 7/21 bombs were designed to be "hand activated", that would make them de facto suicide bombs. However why use a cell phone timer on 7/7 if they were designed to be suicide bombs? If Kelly is right, that strongly reinforces the theory that the 7/7 bombers were not intending to kill themselves!

The investigation continues...

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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 02:00 PM





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Moinul Abedin, 31, and Dr Faisal Mostafa, 37, bought materials from stores in the West Midlands to make explosive devices, Birmingham Crown Court was told.



I posted some stuff about these two in the Joining the Dots in Luton thread.

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Dr Faisal Mostafa, 38, of Greater Manchester was cleared of all charges in the trial resulting from 'Operation Large', while his co-defendent was given 20 years!! & it's not Mostafa's 1st time:

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The community manager of the Darul Uloom [Islamic High] school in Birmingham, Faisal Mostafa, has twice been tried and acquitted on terrorist charges, first in 1996 when chemicals, timers and detonators were found in his house and most recently in 2002, [Operation Large] when he was alleged to have turned a terrace house in the city into a "bombmaking factory".

source:FindArticles (originally Evening Standard,  Aug 1, 2005  by ANDREW GILLIGAN)



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Thanks Sinclair. MSK was alleged to have visited a Darul Uloom school in Pakistan.
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Last Updated: Friday, 27 April 2007, 17:08 GMT 18:08 UK

Profile: Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi
The Pentagon has described Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, who has been detained and transferred to Guantanamo Bay, as a trusted lieutenant of al-Qaeda leaders Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

The US said Mr Hadi, whose real name was Nashwan abd al-Razzaq abd al-Baqi, was arrested as he tried to return to Iraq.

However, no other details have been released on his capture.

A US intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the BBC that Mr Hadi had a long-standing and deep awareness of al-Qaeda's training activities and operational planning.

Mr Hadi, a man with a reputation for being a skilled and intelligent commander, had been in CIA custody since late 2006, the official said.

US intelligence services were particularly interested in his activities in relation to Iran, he said.

It believes in addition to supporting terrorist activities in Iraq, Mr Hadi was involved in "causing problems in Iran as well", he said.

Mr Hadi wanted Iranian al-Qaeda operatives to be more aggressive in their attacks in Iraq and possibly in Iran as well, the official said.

Mr Hadi has cooperated during interrogation, providing insights into al-Qaeda's command and control structure, the official said.

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Mr Hadi was born in Mosul, Iraq, in 1961, the Pentagon said.

He was formerly a major in the Iraqi army in the 1980s.

The US said he was in Afghanistan for 15 years, but that he had been a member of al-Qaeda "since the late 1990s".

Prior to the suicide plane attacks on the US in September 2001, Mr Hadi was a member of the 10-strong Shura Council - the advisory body to Bin Laden.

Mr Hadi was also said to be a member of al-Qaeda's Military Committee, which oversaw the group's operations and training.

The Pentagon said he was a direct link between al-Qaeda leaders and the Taleban in organising attacks on US forces in Afghanistan.

Later he was also believed to be a key link between Bin Laden and the head of the group in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has since been killed.

Mr Hadi was also alleged to have been involved in plots to assassinate Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and an unnamed UN official.

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From The Times
April 28, 2007
Top jihadi strategist brought Iraq’s insurgents into the al-Qaeda fold
Sean O’Neill and Tim Reid

Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi is among the most important figures to have been captured since 9/11 and his detention is a significant blow to Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network.

More than anyone else, it was Abd al-Hadi who rebuilt al-Qaeda after its leadership fled from the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Once secured in the tribal areas of Pakistan, he began forging a firm alliance with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and bringing the jihad in Iraq under the al-Qaeda banner. He ran terror training camps, planned strategy with bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri and directed operations in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Europe.

Pakistani intelligence sources said that Abd al-Iraqi had often visited the Bajaur tribal region, one of the main centres of al-Qaeda operations in Pakistan and Afghanistan. US officials said last night that they believed him to be the mastermind behind two attempts in 2002 to assassinate President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan.
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Compared with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — the planner of the 9/11 atrocities whom he will join in the “high-value detainee programme” in Guantanamo Bay — Abd al-Hadi’s operations were less ambitious but usually more attainable.

Security sources say Abd al-Hadi masterminded a series of plots to carry out suicide attacks in Britain, using young British Muslims including the 7/7 bombers. There have been previous attempts to capture or kill him. In 2004 the Pakistani Army mounted a huge assault on a compound that was thought to be his base. More than 70 people died.

Abd al-Hadi, whose full name is Nashwan Abdulrazaq Abdulbaqi, was born in 1961 in the Kurdish city of Mosul, northern Iraq. He did national service in Saddam Hussein’s Army, rising to the rank of major, but left for Afghanistan in the mid-1980s to join the jihad against the Soviet Union.

His military experience and expertise, as well as his commitment to the Islamist cause, attracted the attention of bin Laden and his fledgling al-Qaeda movement. Abd al-Hadi commanded many of the training camps that were established by al-Qaeda when it returned to Afghanistan after the Taleban seized control there in 1996. After the invasion of Afghanistan, Abd al-Hadi maintained a strong relationship with the Taleban and has used those bonds in the campaign against Western forces in Afghanistan.

In August 2005 he appeared in an al-Qaeda propaganda video that showed militants in Afghanistan — including Europeans, Arabs and other fighters — preparing to attack US troops. In the video Abd al-Hadi said that the US-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq had created “two fronts” for recruiting terrorists to the cause of global jihad.“Now all the world is united behind Mullah Omar and Sheikh Osama,” he said.

Abd al-Hadi is now locked up in the maximum-security Camp 5 block of Guantanamo Bay, set aside for the most significant terror suspects.

The Pentagon said that Abd al-Hadi had been classified as a “high-value” detainee, along with 14 others. They spend 23 hours a day inside a 7ft (3m by 2m) cell. The classification indicated that US officials believed the capture had a significant effect on al-Qaeda operations and that the prisoner was capable of providing high-quality intelligence.

CNN cited unnamed US officials saying that Abd al-Hadi came into CIA custody after President Bush’s speech last September on the agency’s programme of interrogating high-value prisoners. At that time, the president said, there were “no terrorists” in the CIA programme.

Abd al-Hadi faces a closed-door hearing to determine his status. It will be overseen by a “presiding officer” who must determine if he can be designated as an “unlawful enemy combatant”. If he is given this classification, then the US does not have to charge him or try him.

The US Rewards For Justice programme described Abd al-Hadi as one of bin Laden’s “top global deputies” who remained in contact with his emir. A reward of $1 million (£500,000) was offered for his capture. The reality is that his arrest was of much greater value.

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As for choice of detonator there is an apparent continuity between Mostafa's plot and Hasib Hussain narrative. They both allegedly went for a 9v battery to use as the detonator.

The following is from a blogger since I couldn't find a reference to a 9v battery in Mostafa's news coverage

Here's one, with the source of the information an anonymous police officer who found a 9v battery (not hooked up to a detonator device of some sort, but in the rubbish):
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Published: 22nd January 2002
Explosives trial: House 'used as bomb factory'


LATEX gloves and electrical equipment were found in bin bags belonging to a co-defendant of a Stockport man charged with plotting to cause explosions, a court heard.

Dr Faisal Mostafa, 37, of Green Pastures, Stockport, is on trial at Birmingham Crown Court charged with conspiracy to cause explosions with intent to endanger life and cause serious injury to property in the UK.

Today (Tuesday) the court heard that bin bags belonging to co-defendant Moinul Abedin - who faces the same charges - contained powder, wiring, latex gloves and electrical equipment.

Colman Treacy QC, prosecuting, said scientists found traces of HMTD - a high explosive - and wiring similar to a detonator during a search of a Birmingham house Mr Abedin rented.

An unnamed police officer told the court the refuse contained a nine-volt Duracell battery, a number of photocopied UK driving licences, white and black powder, and wire cuttings, among other items.

Landlord, Ibra Khan, had earlier told the jury that Mr Abedin rented the house from him, saying it was for his family.

The prosecution argue Mr Abedin used a false name, but the landlord said under cross-examination that he may have misunderstood the defendant's Bengali language.

The prosecution claim Mr Abedin and Dr Mostafa used the house - in the Sparkhill district of Birmingham - as a 'bomb factory' to make explosives from household goods.

Dr Mostafa and Mr Abedin - 31, of Fallows Road, Sparkbrook, Birmingham - face other charges of intent to cause explosions and possession of explosives. Both deny all charges.

Proceeding.

First published by the Stockport Express
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