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From Postman Patel 30th July 2005
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How very odd! Joining the dots in Luton ?
Royston and Buntingford Mercury 29 July 2005
Muktar Saed Ibrahim, also known as Muktar Mohammed Saed, 27, was named by police in connection with the attempted attack on the No 26 bus in Hackney, East London, last Thursday.
In 1996 he was jailed for a series of street robberies (he was then 18), including one in Melbourn Street, Luton in May 1995 (Melbourn is a village outside Royston), and may also have been involved in incidents in Stevenage, Letchworth and Welwyn Garden City.
The Mercury learnt that the alleged would-be bomber was part of a gang who appeared at Luton Crown Court in February 1996 and pleaded guilty to several charges.
It is believed that when Ibrahim appeared in court with two of his accomplices he had already received a three-year prison sentence from a court in north London for similar offences. At Luton, he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempted robbery, one charge of robbery and another count of handling stolen goods.
He got one year, two years and another two years respectively to run concurrently, but in addition to the previous sentence.
Jermayne Lindsay died in the worst of the suicide attacks -- a subway bomb that killed at least 26 people between King's Cross and Russell Square stations. Former schoolfriends of Lindsay, who grew up in Rawthorpe, Huddersfield, said that he visited Afghanistan four years ago and returned to Britain as a hardline Muslim. The police are known to have been looking losely at Lindsay’s connections in the Luton area.
Abdullah Shaheed Jamal when he converted to Islam at the same time as his mother when he was sixteen, it is said he may have may have been the most senior of the four bombers.There are reports (unconfirmed) that Lindsay / Jamal was tracked by federal authorities to the United States in 2000. His mother had been living in Cleveland, Ohio, in the late 1990s.For the last six months he was living with his partner in a small rented semi-detached house in Aylesbury. Jermaine Lindsay's partner Samantha Lewthwaite, 22, mother of his one-year-old son, is expecting her second baby very soon.
It is known that the three other bombers travelled from West Yorkshire to London via Luton in a hire car. After they detonated their devices to deadly effect, further bombs were found at Luton station in Jamal's red Fiat car.
One officer said that Lindsay appeared to have links with criminal activity in the town.
Luton has also been a hotbed of radical Islamist activity for several years, with extremist groups such as al-Muhajiroun having an influence over young Muslims there.
Last year several arrests were made in Luton in connection with another anti-terrorist operation in August 2004 when 13 arrests were made across the country. Details cannot be reported because it is the subject of a forthcoming criminal trial.
Lindsays bank became suspicious before the 7/7 attacks and hired a private firm to examine his finances, said detective Noel Hogan, managing director of Hogan and Co. Intl. Hogan said one of the purchases he examined was a large amount of perfume (said to be £900). He said the company contacted police once Lindsay's name was publicly linked to the attacks.
--------- The men arrested and charged in the August 2004 Anti - terror raids were ;
A - Dhiren BAROT (19/12/71 - aged 32) of Willesden, London.
B - Omar Abdur REHMAN (17/12/83 - aged 20) of Bushey, Hertfordshire.
E - Mohammed Ul HAQ (7/10/78 - aged 25) of Paddington, London.
F - Abdul Aziz JALIL (22/4/73 - aged 31) of Luton, Bedfordshire.
H - Nadeem TARMOHAMED (19/5/78 - aged 26) of Willesden, London.
I - Mohammed Naveed BHATTI (16/1/80 - aged 24) of Harrow, Middlesex.
L - Junade FEROZE (18/8/75 - aged 28) of Blackburn, Lancashire.
All eight appeared in custody at Bow Street Magistrates‚ Court, sitting at Belmarsh, on Wed. 18 August 04. On conspiracy charges to commit murder and possession of illegal substances.Details
A ninth man [D] - Matthew Philip MONKS (3/10/71 - aged 32) of Sudbury, London - is being charged with possession of a prohibited weapon - apparently a Brocock air pistol, a favourite amongst low level criminals since it works with individual pressurised gas cartridges, and can be converted to fire real pistol ammunition. (BBC Radio Manchester web page withdrawn)
Note that suspect A - Dhiren BAROT has recently been on trial, the others are yet to appear in court.
These arrests, it is reported, were sparked by the US leaking the name of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan. Read his Wikipedia entry for further info (particularly 'Identity leaked' & the apparent link of Noof Khan with Mohammad Sidique Khan:
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Following his arrest, [Muhammad Naeem Noor] Khan agreed to cooperate with investigators, and continued to communicate with Al-Qaeda as part of a sting operation.
Following the publication of [Muhammad Naeem Noor] Khan's name, British authorities moved quickly to arrest 13 members of the British terrorist cell with which Khan had been communicating (the so-called Luton cell). Evidence gathering may not have yet been completed and other plotters may have escaped due to the need to make the arrests quickly.
On July 14, 2005, ABC News revealed that Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the suspected perpetrators of the 7 July London bombings, had been in contact with members of the Luton cell that was broken up.
Reports state that the August 2004 operation that involved Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan originally captured thirteen men, but five had to be released for lack of reason to hold them and the remaining eight were held.
Did Mohammad Sidique Khan escape the authorities AGAIN (i.e. he was involved in the Operation Crevice surveilance) or was he allowed to go free? I cannot find any of the names of the 4 that were not released after the August 2004 arrests.
There are a lot of dots to be joined, but I think that there are two operational groups of 'suspects' being merged here - & note that Dhiren BAROT has been in court separate from the other 7.
Dhiren BAROT name is linked with a passport of one David Courtailler, a French convert to Islam, & frequenter of Finsbury Park Mosque. Courtailler has been linked with the plot involving the assassination of the Northern Alliance General Ahmed Shah Massoud on 8th September 2001. (Courtailler also shared a flat in South London with Zacarias Moussaoui)
So Dhiren BAROT appears to have been a 911 patsie of sorts in waiting, while the others appear to be part of a Luton, J7 & J21 Luton Join the Dots Puzzle.
rk wrote: Numeral, sadly your ‘research’ did not find the Birmingham 2000 plot Dr Reid was talking about and the bullet point you highlight is a bit random to say the least. The operation (called operation Large, the covert name released at the trial) eventually ended with the trial in 2002 of Moinul Abedin, who was given 20 years for conspiracy to cause explosions. Try searching on his name or try this:
The trial was in Feb 2002 and although the Taliban regime had (only just) fallen it predates the capture and interrogation of most of the significant Al Qaeda figures. (i.e. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) Therefore the Security Service and Home Office almost certainly know a lot more about this plot now than they did then. There is also a chance that more was known at the time but that the intelligence was too sensitive to release in open court at the time. Whether or not the men were affiliated with a particular group or not did not get in the way of the fact that they’d procured bomb making material and were making exsplosives.
Not sure? Will after two minutes googling the guys name I’ve found this from 2005.
which contains the snippet that “Officers believe they have established a potential link between al-Qaeda, the London plotters and earlier threats made against other British cities. One of the cases under re-investigation is that of Moinul Abedin, who was arrested in November 2000 and later jailed for 20 years for planning terror attacks across Britain with homemade bombs, which he had stockpiled at a house in Birmingham.”
“ In particular the security service is focusing on the case of Moinul Abedin, a Bangladeshi-born waiter arrested in November 2000 in Sparkbrook, Birmingham. Police found handbooks on bomb-making, and raw ingredients for a home-made explosive were found at premises rented by Abedin. At the time police said there was nothing to link him to al-Qa'ida but the trial in Paris of an al-Qa'ida recruiting sergeant, David Courtailler, heard that a fake British driving licence in his name was found in Abedin's home. Courtailler shared a flat in Brixton, south London, with Zacarias Moussaoui, the only man charged in the US in connection with the September 2001 attacks, and is linked to Jamal Zougam, a suspect in the Madrid bombings. “
Essentially the link is circumstantial in that you know the men are connected but cannot definitvely say how. Abedin has a link to an Al Qaida recruiting sergeant. So what? Does that make him a member? Does that mean that he was working on the instructions of Courtailler? Neither of these things can be said categorically so there is little mileage in dragging this into open court. Especially if there is a live operation against Courtailler.
For a bit more detail and the fact that Abedin was making a peroxide based explosive (like the 7/7 bombers but while they used peroxide and acetone he used peroxide and hexamine) try this
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Thanks for that, Numeral.
In fact the discussion within the comments of that Holly Finch article helped in my research - I came across the date of AUG 2004 for the arrest of 13 & the charging of 8 suspects (I think it is in my post in the Zeesham Siddique thread - where the Indian Info article wrongly names the Aug 2004 op as 'Crevice'), & then searched for Aug 2004 arrests & the term 'Operation Large' appeared which is referred to in the HF article comment.
Interestingly, the Ho Hahh was about Dhiren Barot et all having plans to attack US targets.
However, from this BBC news report of 12th April 2005, note how only Dhiren Barot, 32, Qaisar Shaffi, 25, and Nadeem Tarmohammed, 26, all of Willesden, north-west London are under any US charges.
The other 5 people arrested are not mentioned in connection with any US plans.
Some news artciles refer to the fact that 13 people were arrested in August 2004, but no names are associated with the 5 released, other than Matthew Philip MONKS.
Oh & Courtailler...........his name has been popping up since before 911, along with his brother Jerome, both Muslim converts. The Courtailler brothers are linked with Djamel Beghal, Richard Reid & Zacarias Moussaoui.
The important aspect however, I believe, is the connections of the J21 events & the Operation 'Crevice' & Aug 2004 arrests with MS Khan.
With respect to Operation Large, I noticed the anomalies associated with that case, particularly his co-defendant Dr Faisal Mostafa. This BBC report of 27 February, 2002 7pm states that
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Both men were put under surveillance by a team of 15 MI5 operatives and four agents
[Police] officers had so far ruled out any connection between Abedin and known terrorist organisations
Dr Faisal Mostafa, 38, of Greater Manchester was cleared of all charges in the trial resulting from 'Operation Large', while his co-defendent was given 20 years!! & it's not Mostafa's 1st time:
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The community manager of the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham, Faisal Mostafa, has twice been tried and acquitted on terrorist charges, first in 1996 when chemicals, timers and detonators were found in his house and most recently in 2002, [Operation Large] when he was alleged to have turned a terrace house in the city into a "bombmaking factory".
The appearance of Khan's name in the New York Times on August 2 caused the British to have to swoop down on the London al-Qaeda cell to which he was speaking. As it was, 5 of them heard about Khan's arrest and immediately fled. The British got 13, but it was early in their investigation and they had to let 5 go or charge them with minor offences (immigration irregularities e.g.). On Tuesday, the British charged 8 of them.
Thursday, May 4 Importing terrists - joining the dots in Luton again for Plod
How very odd, we now discover from the BBC News at Ten that a "Terror suspect" had been in prison for "mugging" cannot be named and could not be deported because of th4e area of the world he came from .... The BBC can't for legal reasons , well here for you to read is ...
Now Lord Patel would remind you of this item from a few days after the 21/7 bombings
Was Plod watching , listening , reading or ore these bloggers stupid fools spreading terrist nonsense ? Judge for yourself. How very odd! Joining the dots in Luton ? Saturday July 30th
Royston and Buntingford Mercury 29 July 2005 Muktar Saed Ibrahim, also known as Muktar Mohammed Saed, 27, was named by police in connection with the attempted attack on the No 26 bus in Hackney, East London, last Thursday.
In 1996 he was jailed for a series of street robberies (he was then 18), including one in Melbourn Street, Luton in May 1995 (Melbourn is a village outside Royston), and may also have been involved in incidents in Stevenage, Letchworth and Welwyn Garden City.
The Mercury learnt that the alleged would-be bomber was part of a gang who appeared at Luton Crown Court in February 1996 and pleaded guilty to several charges.
It is believed that when Ibrahim appeared in court with two of his accomplices he had already received a three-year prison sentence from a court in north London for similar offences. At Luton, he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempted robbery, one charge of robbery and another count of handling stolen goods.
He got one year, two years and another two years respectively to run concurrently, but in addition to the previous sentence.
The Daily Mail on 27th July said "The other, Muktar Saed Ibrahim, 27, arrived from Eritrea when he was 14, becoming a British citizen and receiving a passport last year (even though he’s served time in prison for violence) and, oh yes, he has also been living on state handouts."
The men arrested and charged in the August 2004 Anti - terror raids were ;
A - Dhiren BAROT (19/12/71 - aged 32) of Willesden, London.
B - Omar Abdur REHMAN (17/12/83 - aged 20) of Bushey, Hertfordshire.
E - Mohammed Ul HAQ (7/10/78 - aged 25) of Paddington, London.
F - Abdul Aziz JALIL (22/4/73 - aged 31) of Luton, Bedfordshire.
H - Nadeem TARMOHAMED (19/5/78 - aged 26) of Willesden, London.
I - Mohammed Naveed BHATTI (16/1/80 - aged 24) of Harrow, Middlesex.
L - Junade FEROZE (18/8/75 - aged 28) of Blackburn, Lancashire.
All eight appeared in custody at Bow Street Magistrates‚ Court, sitting at Belmarsh, on Wed. 18 August 04. On conspiracy charges to commit murder and possession of illegal substances. Details
Please pass on ..... a policeman might read it ... eventually... or maybe not
posted by Shutter | 5/04/2006 10:47:00 PM
(Edited to quote the Postman article in full, complete with formatting & links)
This post has been edited by Sinclair on Feb 6 2007, 05:54 PM
The above post links to the ABC news report of July 14, 2005, mentioning a link between Mohammed Siddique Khan & the 'Luton Cell'
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The laptop computer of Naeem Noor Khan, a captured al Qaeda leader, contained plans for a coordinated series of attacks on the London subway system, as well as on financial buildings in both New York and Washington.
"There's absolutely no doubt he was part of an al Qaeda operation aimed at not only the United States but Great Britain," explained Alexis Debat, a former official in the French Defense Ministry who is now a senior terrorism consultant for ABC News.
At the time, authorities thought they had foiled the London subway plot by arresting more than a dozen young Britons of Pakistani descent last August in Luton, a city known for its ties to terrorism.
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Security officials tell ABC News they have discovered links between the eldest of the London bombers, Mohammed Sadique Khan, 30, and the original group in Luton. Officials also believe it was not a coincidence the subway bombers all met at the Luton train station last week.
Robin Cook MP Robin Cook reiterated his criticism of the Iraq war
Former Cabinet minister Robin Cook says he is "deeply troubled" by an increase in raids to prevent terrorism.
Mr Cook said "raids under the Anti-Terrorism Act...are now running, staggeringly, at 10 times the level of three years ago".
He said such raids risked "alienating" the very people Britain needed for a multi-cultural society.
He was speaking at the Edinburgh Book Festival on Monday where he made the annual Donald Dewar speech.
'Real risk' "I'm deeply troubled by the increase in raids," he told the packed audience.
"There were 30,000 raids under the Prevention of Terrorism Act last year from which less than 100 individuals were charged with offences relating to terrorism."
He added: "There's a real risk that if we continue with that we will end up alienating the very people we need for a successful multicultural society and a successful appeal to people around the world of a different culture."
30,000 raids and 100 arrests! That's a lot of information and dna gathering.
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