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newsnight tuesday 14 november 2006... 1600 potential islamic terrorists in the UK, 30 potential plots...oh, and private spooks in online chatrooms suggest terror targets click title to watch...then click on > watch 'radicalising British Muslims...i don't think this works outside UK, and i know not how long it will be 'live'| QUOTE (nn) | | newsnight investigates the hands behind the scenes moulding anger and resentment to create a British Jihad |
...if they can wipe the blood from their hands first, i would recommend they look at bush and blairs
| QUOTE (nn) | | a growing cadre of terrorist sympathisers and extremists, are posing the biggest threat to national security since the IRA, their groups are both well organised, and secretive, we've investigated the hidden story of radicalisation in Britain today, and can reveal alarming new evidence about how a minority of young British Muslims, are being sucked into a life of hatred and extremism...there's a secret war being conducted against Islamist extremism deep within the English countryside, not by the police or the intelligence services but by a network of former spies, hackers and amateur detectives who are spending thousands of hours tracking radicals on the internet...working from his bedroom into the small hours, this man is infiltrating websites used by extremists, gathering evidence to be passed to the police |
 | QUOTE ('Glen Jenvey' @ Vigil) | | these sites are very significant - in radicalising these young Muslims - they actually glorify Bin Laden - they glorify suicide bombers, they're an education tool to brainwash young Muslims, this is how it starts |
| QUOTE (nn) | | he works for the private group called vigil, 'Glen Jenvey' is using a false identity tonight, to gain access to an internet chatroom run by Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed who's been radicalising young British Muslims for twenty years, his group Al Mahajaroon [spelling ?] is now a prescribed organisation, and Bakri Mohammed is no longer allowed into the country - the home sectretary excluded him, after the London bombings last year, but that hasn't stopped him from preaching |
| QUOTE (Jenvey) | | we found a cybermosque, run by Omar Bakri Mohammed, from Lebanon, speaking to British Muslims in the UK, organisiing demonstrations, um, hate speeches, incitement to terror, calling on them to take up arms against British and American troops |
| QUOTE (nn) | | so where society had thought that Bakri Mohammed was off the scene, you've discovered he's still 'at it' |
| QUOTE (Jenvey) | | he's active but he's back in the UK in a cyber sense |
| QUOTE (nn) | | Omah Bakri Mohammed has just come back online using one of his false identities, we've confirmed with a voice recognition expert that this is actually Bakri Mohammed speaking, we've also listened back to his past lectures in the archive, and it's clear he's been teaching extremism and intolerance, here reserving praise for the London bombers |
| QUOTE ('Omar Bakri Mohammed') | | how we can condemn those who great men, it's not something to feel shame about it, it's not something bad happen so good [hard to make out so may be inaccurate] |
| QUOTE (nn) | | and then there's a eulogy for Abu Musab Zarkawi, the brutal former Al-Qu'ida leader in Iraq |
| QUOTE ('OBM') | | may Allah smile in the face of Abu Musab Zarkawi, when you meet the enemy strike their own necks, he remind the Sunnah of removing the head of the enemy, he remind the Sunnah of slaughtering the enemy - we saw him and his brothers how they remove the head of the enemy by their own sword |
| QUOTE (nn) | | but perhaps the most shocking, is the reaction to the suggestion from another undercover investigator, who'd infiltrated the site, that Dublin airport should be a legitimate target for attack, because US forces were flying through on their way to Iraq |
| QUOTE ('OBM') | | airport [inaudible - "like in" ?] in Dublin [inaudible - "where Kufar" ?] American forces fly via to reach Iraq to kill our brothers...[should] be part of the [inaudible - "battlefield" ?] the airport ? [inaudible - "your question ?"] hit the target, the question is to, er hit the target, hit it very hard, and that issues must be understood |
| QUOTE (nn) | each night Omar Bakri Mohammed's inspirational talks take place in an open internet chatroom, that's the idea to entice new members in to hear radical and extremist viewpoints, which would otherwise be shunned in Mosques up and down the country, but we've found out that this open website contains links to a far more secretive password protected website, and we've discovered that, plays a crucial role in the organisation...Glen Jenvey used a false identity to gain access to this password protected members only website, two weeks ago he noticed this message which was calling for a demonstration outside the old bailey, headlined 'Mohammed on Trial', it called for a protest against the prosecution of an Islamist radical...sure enough the following day the radicals turned up and there was a violent struggle with the police outside the court...they were protesting against the trial of a 23 year old British muslim facing a charge of incitement to murder, arrested at the demonstration against the Danish newspaper cartoons of Mohammed...but the advert for the old bailey demonstration was not the only lead we followed up, a female member calling herself Um Terra - Mother of Terror, posted [a] notice about a debate at Staffordshire University between the Bible and the Koran, given recent statements from the govenment about radicalisation on universiy campuses, we decided to follow it up, we sent an undercover researcher to the meeting in Stoke on Trent who found that it was addressed by a known radical from Luton, a man who has preached that Al-Qu'ida is Islamically justified, Staffordshire University had no idea of the background of this speaker, they declined to be interviewed, but said that although no extremist views were expressed at the meeting
"the University is obviously concerned to learn of reports that this debate was advertised on an extremist website, and attended by a known extremist, and this is subject to investigation"
...Sheikh Musa Admani, Imam, [London Metropolitan University] knows more about how radicals target universities than anyone in the country, in 2002 he was appointed Imam and Muslim Chaplain for London Metropolitan University, and for the past four years he's waged a battle against the extremists |
| QUOTE (Admani) | | they have long experience of subversion, creating mayhem, upsetting the normality of student life, so, you have to really study and see their ways, and knowing that there'll be violence |
| QUOTE (nn) | | Mr Admani found that the Islamic society like many across the country at the time were dominated by radicals linked to Al Mahajaroon and [Hizb-ut Tahrir ?], another Islamist group which campaigns for a global Islamic state, the [?] would bring in their own guest speakers |
| QUOTE (Admani) | | the centrality of it is the control of friday prayers, if they have control of friday prayers, then they have the community on hold, they abuse this tradition to pass their message of hatred, continuously, it will be about Jihad, about fighting, about war, Afghanistan |
| QUOTE (nn) | | he created a new rule, all preachers had to be Islamically qualified and approved by the university, this meant that extremist speakers were excluded, but this put him on a collision course with the radicals, things got very nasty indeed when he got an unexpected visit from a student |
| QUOTE (Admani) | | ...came to me very politely, [said] "i just came to inform you of something" and i said please come inside, and he said "a group from imperial college are coming to kill you tomorrow...to finish you off" |
| QUOTE (nn) | | the university Imam took action to avoid the men, but the threats made him realise just how ingrained extremism was in the university system, he submitted a detailed plan to the home office in 2003 to create a moderate body of Imams to go out into universities and take on the radicals but it was ignored |
| QUOTE (Admani) | | i was invited to meet the minister of education, and i met the home office minister then, three years ago, and they took my report and very politely, and thanked me, and that was the end of the story - never heard anything from them since "[nn] nothing ?"...no |
| QUOTE (nn) | | while the government sat on its hands Mr Admani was getting more and more evidence of radicalisation, at his local Mosque he met Jawad, who'd been drawn into the world of the Islamist group Hizb-ut Tahrir |
| QUOTE (Jawad) | | i was advised not to mix, and not to discuss things with people who were non-practising, even the Muslims, and then, also, other faith communities, and the UK wide society, they were labelled as kafar and infidels as well, they always promoted hatred..they promoted hatred, they promoted hostility, towards, you know, the wider UK society |
| QUOTE (nn) | | Hizb-ut Tahrir like to present a squeaky clean image to the outside world, but during the course of this investigation we've heard about serious allegations of much more sinister behavoir, allegations that the group is radicalising and recruiting sometimes violent young men, linked to gangs and crime...Hizb-ut Tahrir campaigns for a global Islamic state, and urges followers not to vote in the UK, they believe in Shariah law...the group came very close to being banned last year, after the London bombings there were fears they were radicalising young people |
Croydon Mosque...
| QUOTE (Croydon Mosque Committee representative) | | we were in danger of losing the Mosque, we have evidence of people applying en-block to become members of the Mosque in terms of trying to effect an administrative takeover, and to that end what we did was to safeguard the future of the centre we actually amended the constitution to make it a lot harder, this was coupled with other measures such as policing all meetings at the Mosque |
| QUOTE (nn) | | the committee invited nn to film at the Mosque to make the point that they don't want anything to do with HT or other political Islamic groups...though HTs activities have been banned inside the Mosque, outside the lobbying continues |
they were filming campaigners outside, asking why the HT representatives were there...one bloke outside the Mosque took a dislike to the camera and started knocking it, a bobby turned up and it all calmed down again
| QUOTE (nn) | | whilst some take a non confrontational approach, others seem out of control, and some of these elements have been seen fighting outside the Mosque |
| QUOTE (Croydon Mosque Committee rep) | | there tends to be some sort of element of gang warfare, you can only describe it as that, but this gets very vicious and you get knives involved, swords involved at one stage as well and you know generally speaking people need hospital treatment, people have observed the same faces in these gang warfare situations as they have observed distributing literature outside the Mosque on fridays "[nn] literature from which organisation ?" well these are these organisations such as HT and Al Mahajaroon |
| QUOTE (nn) | | HT denied their supporters were violent saying they tried to stop the fight, stories about the crossover though between Islamist radicalism and violence come as no surprise to the organisation which collected the recordings of Bakri Mohammed |
| QUOTE (Dominic Whiteman @ vigil) | | 'J' has been supplying intelligence to our network for the last seven months, er, the intelligence that he has been supplying has bee on a voluntary basis, it's intelligence which we've always trusted, um and why because he, er, his family was a victim of terrorism and he feels that he owes quite a bit to this country for, er, having looked after him and his family "[nn] do you think it's reliable ?" [DW looks shiny faced by now] in the past we've had absolutely no reason to doubt the reliability of the intelligence, um, a member close to me in the network has debriefed him fully, and er from what we've er, found, that the evidence is waterproof |
| QUOTE (nn) | | 'J' describes how he was recruited to become part of a secretive cell |
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| QUOTE ('J') | | where i'm taught is like a cell, and there's five of us, plus [?] teacher, i know for a fact - that we are a number above 50 |
| QUOTE (nn) | | but these were no university students he was joining, they were he says, violent young men already linked to crime, to become a full member you would have to find another five recruits, he says it's built like a pyramid |
| QUOTE ('J') | | they've been taught that it's alright to hurt non believers..you're nothing to them...the loyalty to the group, i had to show it in a rough way, they actually asked me to take some money from three guys by force..and i went there, and i had to ask those three guys 'i'll take whatever you have right now', you know i threatened them and they gave me the money because they saw who i was with "[nn] HT may well say this has nothing to do with our organisation, it's a bunch of criminals it's a bunch of hoods, what do you say to that ?" that they would be lying !...they made me swear on the Quran allegiance...one of the clips i've seen [from a dvd purporting to show prisoner mistreatment at Guantanamo Bay shown in a private house] apart from guys being tortured and being battered up and chained up, being left naked on the floor, to me there was one really strong clip where they showed a lady interrogating a tied up prisoner "[nn] 'J' says the scene was staged, but the others in his cell were convinced that the images, which then showed an extremely degrading assault of a sexual nature were real...and what were the fellow brothers in the room saying at this time ?" they were angry, they were really pissed off you know, one of them was saying you know these fucking Americans you know, they're evil |
...and then good old microsoft crapped out on me again, i'm getting quite massively pissed at this unreliable crap...alas, microsoft is on the same page as government when it comes to being a dutiful servant and doing as expected and asked, so the rest of that programme isn't happening
but from memory, a representative of HT was in the studio calling the piece total fiction, and stated that the 'evidence' was falsehood and propaganda
This post has been edited by matt on Nov 30 2006, 08:00 PM
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