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The Terrorist Hunter (ITV1 22nd June), & Andy Hayman's book

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cmain	Posted: Nov 5 2009, 09:37 PM
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In Sir Ian�s book he refers to Mr Hayman as his �prot�g�, but adds that after he took on the role of head of counter terrorism �something went wrong� and Mr Hayman began spending more time with the press.

�It was a list of questions from Channel 4 about the �unusually high� amount of communication between him and [an] IPCC staff member and about the amount of the expenditure on ACPO offices�, that led to Mr Hayman�s resignation, Sir Ian writes.

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These cctv images show the four at London King's Cross Thameslink on July 7th.

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QUOTE (cmain @ Nov 4 2009, 02:35 PM)

The next chapter is entitled "The 7 July Investigation". It follows the Official Narrative very closely, so I will skip over most of the stuff that is already detailed in that.

Page 87 July 9th "I took a call from MI5. They had been sifting through intelligence received in past months to check whether there might have been clues they'd missed and suddenly Sidique Khan's name was lighting up red." "Ridiculously, the fact he had been covertly filmed by MI5 would not be made public for another two years although we and the media knew it." Hayman then follows the official line that Khan was a peripheral part of that investigation and it was reasonable not to assign any more than routine priority to investigating him further.

Page 88 "I believe we should stop wondering whether somehow we could have [learnt enough about MSK to prevent the 7/7 attacks]"

Page 92 by Sunday July 10 it had been established that Hussain had travelled to London with Khan and Tanweer. They discovered that Hussain had been using the Alexandra Grove flat.

Page 93 "We worked together to remove the families [of the suspects] from their homes to secure houses where they would not be found either by those seeking recrimination or the press. We took them to different parts of the UK where they were not known - in effect giving them witness protection - as they would be vital witnesses in the inquiry".

Page 94 Late on July 11 preparation to search the homes of the 3 suspects and the flat was complete. The raids began at dawn on the 12th. The raids find evidence of the "dummy run".

Page 98 "What they found inside [Alexandra Grove] was astonishing: pots and tubs of a thick bubbling yellow liquid - a cast-iron bath was full of it. There was an almost unbearable rotten stench."

Hayman thinks it took six weeks to complete the chemical analysis. Charles Clarke kept asking at COBRA what was in the bath, and Hayman kept telling him he didn't know.

"'You know what it's like when you have a cheese and tomato pizza all bubbling on the top when you take it out of the oven? Well, they say it's like that.' I must have said it a dozen times."

Page 99 "We had scientists in and outside the police working on the liquid for months, establishing how the bombs were made."

Containers of the bubbling liquid were also found in the Nissan Micra at Luton station that day.

Page 100 CCTV helped them locate the missing Fiat Brava it was towed away because it didn't have a valid parking ticket so presumably they found CCTV of it being towed away and traced it via the name on the towing lorry?

Handgun found in the Brava registered to Lindsay. narrative says the car was registered to Lindsay, but Hayman says he was identified by the gun register and does not say that the car was registered to Lindsay

"We needed to get [the 0826 CCTV picture] out to the press as soon as possible". no explanation of why this was not done This time, as per the Narrative, the explanation is given that the analyst recognised Tanweer from his driving licence picture, rather than because he spotted them walking in pairs like the infantry.

Page 101 13th July Lindsay's wife reported him missing to the Casualty Bureau (as per the Narrative).

Page 103 "I helped the government and civil servants compile a 'Narrative' of the events of 7 July, which concluded they were driven by 'fierce antagonism to perceived injustices by the West against Muslims and a desire for martyrdom'."

The chapter concludes with a eulogy for CCTV, saying it gave the greatest insight into the events of the day, and the re-statement of the Narrative timeline (uncorrected) I posted previously.

But from the description of the investigation he has just given the only useful bit of CCTV was the footage of the Brava being towed away which enabled them to trace it. They had identified three of the suspects and raided their homes and the "bomb flat" before they found any of them on CCTV. They were alerted to Luton station car park by a member of the public, again before finding the suspects on CCTV at Luton.

It would be truly astounding if GL had a registered handgun. I would have thought that would be nigh impossible post-Dunblane.

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QUOTE (cmain @ Nov 3 2009, 04:11 PM)

Hayman relates that he used to get call centres offering him insurance on his supposedly secure phone to MI5 and the Prime Minister. "I couldn't be sure how secure those phones really were."

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MPs express anger at PCC phone hacking 'whitewash'

In a further sign that the controversy over the tactics employed by the News of the World is unlikely to go away, it emerged that a cabinet minister had been warned by police about illegal activity. The prominent politician was told that voicemail messages had been hacked into on numerous occasions.

Eminent figures in the police, the military and members of the royal household have been also been contacted by the police and warned they may also have been targeted.

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Page 39 3.00 Tony Blair chairs COBRA. "The prime minister was outstanding".

Ian Blair was extremely supportive of Tony Blair and here's Hayman praising him as "outstanding".

I find it far easier to accept in the case of Ian Blair. Commissioners of the Metropolitan Police are appointed and sacked by the Home Secretary. Ian Blair was appointed by David Blunkett on the pretext of the wonderful introduction of PCSOs. It can be argued that [edit: he] was appointed because he was willing to and did whore himself to the Nu Labour cause.

With Hayman, it's different. He makes a very partisan statement in a book having left the Met. The statement will endear him to Nu Labour but is likely to damage sales of his book. I'm left wondering whether adoration of Tony Blair is widespread in the police or the Met and if so, why.

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cmain	Posted: Nov 9 2009, 10:45 PM
Group: J7 Forum Team Posts: 1,061 Member No.: 16 Joined: 19-January 06	^ Hayman is also very positive about David Cameron, but to a lesser degree than about Tony Blair because he has worked with him much less. So my impression is that Hayman particularly admires T Blair's personality rather than his politics - he likes T Blair's charisma, his wit, his vision, his air of authority and his practice of delegating to others. Hayman also gives me the impression that this is the kind of person Hayman himself aspires to be, which perhaps explains his admiration.

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