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Title: TERROR IN US/UK - Liquid Explosives
Description: Analysis of Airline Terror Plot


freedomfiles - August 10, 2006 10:48 PM (GMT)
Some key facts to this terror plot :

What was the alleged plot ?

US intelligence officials believe the plotters hoped to stage a practice run followed by actual attacks using liquid peroxide explosives on up to 10 planes from American, United and Continental Airlines within days on flights to the United States.

MI5 had built up a detailed picture of the plot over several months, but the threat had dramatically increased; the plotters had acquired the capability to carry out the attacks, perhaps within days. There was even a looming date, August 22, a holy day in the Muslim calendar and a propitious one for launching Armageddon. (source)

The ABC television network named three of those arrested as Rashid Rauf, Mohammed al-Ghandra and Ahmed al Khan. The three were the ringleaders of the plot, the network said.

One version of the planned attacks suggests that an explosive gel was to have been concealed inside a sports drink container. The electric pulse required to detonate the peroxide-based substance was to have been provided from the flash unit of a disposable camera. (Source)

Sources in the U.K. have informed The Jawa Report that suspects in today's terror arrests are linked to Syrian born exiled cleric Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed. (Source)

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Locations of arrests

UK:

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Police outside the property in Forest Road on Thursday morning

Walthamstow: (Witnesses) (2)

386 Forest Road, (Witnesses) (Suspects: 2 african looking men)
Folkestone Road, (Witnesses) (2) Suspect: Oliver 'Ibrahim' Savant, Iranian father

QUOTE
Brother of suspect :
Adam Savant, 5a Folkestone Rd, Walthamstow, London, E17 9SD
+44-(0)7950 148 255 : adam@positivefokus.com
http://www.soundengineer.co.uk/adam_savant_cv.htm
http://www.soundengineer.co.uk/crewpool.htm


Queens Road,
two in Albert Road

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No 41, Micklefield Road, High Wycombe, where two men are understood to have been arrested. Neighbours spoke of comings and goings in the night

High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire:

-Walton Drive, (Witnesses) (Suspects: 2 unnamed brothers)
-Plomer Green Avenue
-41 Micklefield Road (Witnesses) (Suspect: Khuram Ali)
-Hardenwaye
-Forest Way
-Hepplewhite Close (Suspect: Don Stewart-Whyte aka Abdul Wahid) (Witnesses)

Threat to High Wycombe no bigger than normal, say police

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Police raided a property in Belchers Lane, Birmingham

Birmingham:

-Belchers Lane, Bordesley Green (Witnesses), owner: Tayib Zaman Rauf, Suspects: 2 Asian-looking men
-St Margarets Road, Ward End (Witnesses) (Suspects: Maroof Rauf, 19, and his 22-year-old brother, Abdul)

Pakistan:

-Lahore,
-Karachi

Background of suspects

Sources told the BBC the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born, and some have links to Pakistan.

When did intelligence services find out about this plot ?

A Pakistani intelligence official said an Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago provided a lead that played a role in "unearthing the plot." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

How many people were arrested ?

UK:

Total: 24 people arrested
London: 'Majority' of arrests - exact locations not known
Birmingham: Two arrests
High Wycombe: At least one arrest

Are there still suspects on the loose ?

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said while the main suspects are reported to have been arrested, it was likely that other individuals will also be sought for questioning by police.

"What I'm being told is that they've got all the major players who they believe were involved in this plot, the A-team as it were.

"There are other people on the periphery who they would probably like to try and get hold of and question. They may not actually find any evidence on them.

"But given the slip-ups that were made over [7 July bomber] Mohammed Siddique Khan a few years ago, that's quite an important thing.

"He was on the periphery of another investigation and they let him go.

"It's perfectly possible that there are some people connected to this who are more dangerous than our own security and intelligence services actually believe they are at the moment."

http://www.forbes.com/business/services/fe.../ap2942098.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4780815.stm

Official reactions

Police and ministers' statements
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4778817.stm

suspecta - August 10, 2006 11:03 PM (GMT)
Just seen on the news that one of them was a Muslim convert. Sounds familiar.

Suspecta

Kier - August 10, 2006 11:13 PM (GMT)
Freedomfiles, this is brilliant - thanks so much for putting all this info together.

freedomfiles - August 10, 2006 11:27 PM (GMT)
Timeline: aircraft terror plot
Matthew Tempest, Guardian Unlimited
Thursday August 10, 2006
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1841879,00.html

Bridget - August 10, 2006 11:42 PM (GMT)
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Chemical compounds most likely to be chosen by would-be bombers

James Randerson, science correspondent
Friday August 11, 2006
The Guardian

Few details have been released about the exact nature of the bomb components in the alleged plot, but experts said last night that several types of liquid explosives could have been involved.

Security services sources have suggested that the explosive devices would have involved a liquid, a powder and an electronic detonator. The detonator would provide the energy to set off a reaction and could be concealed in an iPod, digital watch or mobile phone.

Hans Michaels, an explosives expert at Imperial College London, said nitrate and nitro containing compounds such as nitroglycerin would be relatively easy for a kitchen chemist to manufacture using fertilisers as a raw material.

"It can be colourless, pale yellow or brown, but you can add colour to make it resemble anything you like, such as fizzy drinks or even baby food," he said.

Another possibility would be the industrial solvent and fuel nitromethane, which is fairly easy to obtain because it is used to fuel model aeroplanes and racing cars. To work as a bomb, nitromethane would need to be combined with an oxidiser such as ammonium nitrate (fertiliser).

Timothy McVeigh used this chemical combination to blow up the Alfred P Murrah building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people.

However, compounds containing nitrogen give off a strong smell as they break down, which would almost certainly be detected by sniffer dogs.

"It is quite pungent," said Ivan Vince, an expert in industrial explosions at ASK consultants. The bombers could escape the dogs by sealing the bottles tightly and cleaning them thoroughly to remove any volatile traces.

Another tactic would be to swamp the dog's sense of smell with a strong perfume, said Dr Michaels.

An alternative compound which is much more difficult to detect is triacetone triperoxide (TATP), which could be the powder referred to by security sources . TATP was supposedly used by the 7/7 bombers, the shoe bomber Richard Reid and suicide bombers in Israel. It can be detonated with an electronic device, is odourless and has also been favoured by Hamas.

But Dr Michaels said it was unlikely the bombers were going to use this method. "TATP is not easily made and it is very very unstable," he said. "One of the reasons why the July 21 attack didn't succeed last year was because it was so unstable it decomposed before they could set it off."

The compound is made by mixing hydrogen peroxide, acetone (nail varnish remover) and a small amount of acid, typically sulphuric acid. But it takes several hours to crystallise out of solution and cannot be used until it is dry, so would be difficult to put together on a plane.

There was concern that asking passengers to taste liquids such as baby milk before allowing it on to the plane would not work as a deterrent.

Explosives experts pointed out that many dangerous compounds, though unpleasant to drink, are essentially harmless. For example nitroglycerin, one of the candidate liquid compounds, is used as a medicine to treat angina.

Copycat plot

The genesis of plans to detonate bombs simultaneously on a number of civilian airliners goes back to the so-called Bojinka plot by Islamist fundamentalists in the mid-1990s.

The foiled operation has similarities to attacks planned in the Philippines and organised by two prominent jihadi figures: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Yousef.

KSM, as he is known in US intelligence circles, was the mastermind behind the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington. Yousef was the alleged organiser of the underground bombing of New York's World Trade Centre in 1993. "Bojinka" reportedly means "loud bang" or "explosion" in Serbo-Croat, a term supposedly adopted by KSM after fighting in the Balkans.

The two jihadists moved to the Philippines in 1994 to develop their plans to strike at the United States. The operation they proposed relied on smuggling liquid-based explosives on board scheduled passenger services. The aim was to bring down as many as a dozen flights, killing up to 4,000 on board planes bound for Los Angeles, San Francisco, Honolulu and New York.

The plot was foiled when a fire broke out in an Manila apartment, which had been converted into a bomb factory.

Chief Superintendent Rodolfo Mendoza, a Philippine police intelligence officer who helped uncover Bojinka, said al-Qaida had to be considered as a suspect in the UK plot.
Owen Bowcott

The Antagonist - August 10, 2006 11:50 PM (GMT)
Should we feign surprise now, or later, that info about this air terror plot is floating from the United Mistakes of America?

Intriguing that Sir Ian Blair hasn't said a word and the longer all this rolls on, the more it appears like he is the only one standing against the machine that has conspired to cause him a lot grief since his appointment as commissioner, what with the odd little nugget or two that he's tossed into the public arena.

freedomfiles - August 11, 2006 12:39 AM (GMT)
<<moved to new thread>>

i_believe - August 11, 2006 07:56 AM (GMT)
Are todays "leaks" designed to reinforce the story from yesterday?

We have been told that the "terrorists" were planning a dummy run to see if they could get the liquid explosives past security and that the bottles they were going to use had false bottoms so that they would be able to drink from the bottle and prove they were OK. The point is, no-one knew you'd have to drink any liquids you were carrying until the enhanced checks (really the level of checking that should have already been in place) were introduced yesterday.

It was reported yesterday that the attacks were to take place in waves, over the space of a few days. Someone has obviously realised that this is not really a viable plan because the first wave might work, the second probably wouldn't and it would be criminal incompetance if the third wave did anything. Today the "plan" has changed to 3 waves separated by a matter of hours.

freedomfiles - August 11, 2006 08:45 AM (GMT)
ALI, Abdula, Ahmed
Date of birth (DOB): 10/10/1980
Address: Walthamstow, London, E17

ALI, Cossor
DOB: 04/12/1982
Address: Walthamstow, London, E17

ALI, Shazad, Khuram
DOB: 11/06/1979
Address: High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire

HUSSAIN, Nabeel
DOB: 10/03/1984
Address: London, E4

HUSSAIN, Tanvir
DOB: 21/02/1981
Address: Leyton, London, E10

HUSSAIN, Umair
DOB: 09/10/1981
Address: London, E14

ISLAM, Umar
DOB: 23/04/1978
Address: High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire

KAYANI, Waseem
DOB: 28/04/1977
Address: High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire

KHAN, Assan, Abdullah
DOB: 24/10/1984
Address: London, E17

KHAN, Waheed, Arafat
DOB: 18/05/1981
Address: London, E17

KHATIB, Osman, Adam
DOB: 07/12/1986
Address: London, E17

PATEL, Abdul, Muneem
DOB: 17/04/1989
Address: London, E5

RAUF, Tayib
DOB: 26/04/1984
Address: Birmingham

SADDIQUE, Muhammed, Usman
DOB: 23/04/1982
Address: Walthamstow, London, E17

SARWAR, Assad
DOB: 24/05/1980
Address: High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire

SAVANT, Ibrahim
DOB: 19/12/1980
Address: London, E17

TARIQ, Amin, Asmin
DOB: 07/06/1983
Address: Walthamstow, London, E17

UDDIN, Shamin, Mohammed
DOB: 22/11/1970
Address: Stoke Newington, London

ZAMAN, Waheed
DOB: 27/05/1984
Address: London, E17

i_believe - August 11, 2006 08:45 AM (GMT)
Two posts from the BBC's Have Your Say pages:
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Added: Friday, 11 August, 2006, 08:16 GMT 09:16 UK

It is very interesting how all the media attention now is hijacked by attacks that didn't happen. Nobody is concerned any more about the real carnage happening in Lebanon and Iraq. After all, the only proof that the attacks on the planes were really planned is word of CIA and MI-6 agents, who are already well known for their love for the truth.

Matts, Stockholm

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Added: Friday, 11 August, 2006, 08:16 GMT 09:16 UK

How convinient that the Government declares a national terror threat, just as people are beginning to oppose Britain's support for Israel's invasion of Lebbanon. Great diversion. Now expect months of pro National ID propaganda, and don't be surprised if Parliament grants an extension for the time a 'terror' suspect can be detained without charge. Wake up.

scott, anderson

i_believe - August 11, 2006 09:54 AM (GMT)
And some more:
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Added: Thursday, 10 August, 2006, 08:02 GMT 09:02 UK

If the plot has been foiled, then why the panic at Heathrow? Is it just because its August, and there is no industrial action planned, so we have to maintain the tradition of holiday disruption, or is it more a case of the Government wanting us to remain in such a state of permanent fear that they can legitimise the passage of further legislation that infringes our centuries-old civil rights?

I find this whole state of panic rather pathetic and quite sad.

Steve, London, England

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Added: Thursday, 10 August, 2006, 08:20 GMT 09:20 UK

Hand luggage has been going through x-ray security checks for as long as I can recall, luggage for the hold won’t be treated any differently. This is just for show, it’s window dressing that only serves to keep us scared and the more we are scared the more the government can play its “We are strong on terrorism” angle. But this posturing can only lead to a serious weakening of our civil liberties; Stop & Search anyone? Armed Police anyone? Shoot to kill anyone? Tanks on the streets anyone?

ashley woodfall, london

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Added: Thursday, 10 August, 2006, 08:37 GMT 09:37 UK

Funny how this comes after Reid's speech yesterday. I bet that no-one from the handful arrested will be charged. Funny how they know there's a threat that they've been monitoring for months and yet they have a scatter-gun approach in disrupting every airport. While I appreciate there may be terrorist threats I remain very skeptical - the tactics seem more a ploy to keep the public in fear rather than a genuine attempt to stop an attrocity.

John Byng

Bridget - August 11, 2006 09:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
WAR ON FREEDOM
Brit was born a Christian

By JAMIE PYATT
and THOMAS WHITAKER

ONE suspect arrested yesterday was a British Christian who converted to Islam when his new religion “just clicked”.

Don Stewart-Whyte, 21, changed his name to Abdul Waheed and grew a bushy beard, said his neighbours.

Last night it was believed he was the son of Doug Stewart-Whyte, a Tory party agent who died nine years ago.


Stewart-Whyte, who recently married, was one of at least four people held in High Wycombe, Bucks, as cops foiled a mass plot to down transatlantic jets.

Others held in the town included a close pal of his and a young lad who had just returned from Pakistan.

One of those arrested in High Wycombe was named last night as convert Umar Islam, 28 — who had been formerly known as Brian Young.

Meanwhile anti-terror cops also sealed off an area of forest in the town 40 miles west of London.

Locals said Stewart-Whyte, who was held in Hepplewhite Close, had been kicked out of school.

One said: “He was quite a troubled teenager who would go drinking and was often in trouble but nothing serious.

“He attended school in High Wycombe but got expelled for bad behaviour and moved to a school in Chesham.

“He was never able to hold down a job for very long and worked at a hairdresser’s at one stage and also had a job at a local branch of Curry’s.

“A short time ago he said he had given up work and was going to college but he didn’t say what he was studying.

“About six months ago he said that he was converting to Islam because it all made sense and had just clicked with him.

“His mother was not best pleased about it but after he converted he seemed a lot calmer and more at peace with himself. He made the conversion with his sister Heidi.

“The sister lives in the South-West of England and his mother is on holiday in Scotland.

“His mum is a PE teacher who regularly attends a local Methodist church. She is going to be devastated.

“He married recently but we don’t know much about the wife and hardly ever saw her.

“She would appear in the street from time to time wearing a scarf round her head.”

Another neighbour, who described Stewart-Whyte as “polite and helpful”, told of a commotion outside her house at 10pm on Wednesday night, resulting in a man being led away by police.

The woman said: “I thought it was a drugs raid. But when I saw the news today I couldn’t believe it.”

The owner of a nearby restaurant who has known Stewart-Whyte since he was a boy added: “He went to school with my daughter. He was always very naughty.”

Elsewhere in High Wycombe a man named as Shazad Khuramali, 26, was arrested after police stormed the home of a family who bought a house with £300,000 cash.

Neighbours said that they used the money to buy a bungalow in Micklefield Road, near the family home, which was yesterday raided at dawn.

Tim Wilmington, 58, of Micklefield Road, said: “The family turned up two years ago and bought a house here.

“Their son disappeared to Pakistan for a couple of months and came back with enough money to buy the bungalow opposite.

“The family paid cash, around £300,000. They rented out the bungalow to asylum seekers. At one point there were 15 people living there.”

Mr Wilmington said the family also turned the front drive into a car lot selling second-hand sports cars which Khuramali imported from America.

Mr Wilmington added: “They were selling two or three cars a week, but six months ago the council shut the car lot down after complaints.”

A friend of Khuramali told how he altered after his visit to Pakistan, switching mosques and becoming much more devout.

The friend said: “He went to Pakistan two years ago and came back a changed man. Everyone noticed changes in him.”

Another address was raided in Plomer Green Avenue where a family, said to include four daughters and a son, were taken away.

A man named as Waseem Kayani, 29, was arrested and cops took metal detectors into the semi.

One neighbour said: “They seemed pleasant, although they didn’t mix much.

“When the son first came here he was always dressed in white robes and little white hats.”

Meanwhile cops cordoned off a dense area of woodland in their hunt for bomb-making equipment.

Police, forensic units and dogs searched King’s Wood, near the Micklefield area of the town as a helicopter hovered overhead.

Bridget - August 11, 2006 10:03 AM (GMT)
The Sun is calling it the War on Freedom!

QUOTE
WAR ON FREEDOM

Suspect 'met Galloway'

TERROR suspect Waheed Zaman met controversial MP George Galloway many times, his sister said last night.

Safeena, 24, said of her 23-year-old brother: “He saw it as his duty to stand up for his community and that’s what led him to know George Galloway. He has a lot of respect for him and has met him many times.”

A spokesman for MP Galloway, above, said: “Waheed Zaman is not a name that George is familiar with. He is not known to him on a personal level.”

There is no suggestion Galloway is an associate of Zaman.

Bridget - August 11, 2006 10:17 AM (GMT)
Since when is it the job of the Bank of England to name the suspects?
QUOTE
BREAKING NEWS
Jet plot suspects named

By PETE BELL
Sun Online
THE Bank of England today named 19 of the 24 air terror suspects.

It followed an instruction by Chancellor Gordon Brown to the Bank of England to freeze the assets of the 19 people who were arrested yesterday in connection with an alleged plot to blow up passenger jets leaving UK airports for the US.

freedomfiles - August 11, 2006 10:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
When did intelligence services find out about this plot ?

A Pakistani intelligence official said an Islamic militant arrested near the Afghan-Pakistan border several weeks ago provided a lead that played a role in "unearthing the plot." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.


QUOTE
Blair forewarned Bush of terror threat to US airlines
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday August 11, 2006
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842313,00.html

Downing Street admitted Tony Blair would not have left the country on Monday for his Caribbean holiday if he had known the police would need to swoop so quickly to disrupt a terrorist plot. He has known about it in general terms for months, and has spoken to President George Bush about it on a number of occasions.


Odd, while intelligence services claim the plot was "unearthed" weeks ago, Blair was aware of the plot for several months ?

i_believe - August 11, 2006 11:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bridget @ Aug 11 2006, 11:17 AM)
Since when is it the job of the Bank of England to name the suspects?
QUOTE
BREAKING NEWS
Jet plot suspects named

By PETE BELL
Sun Online
THE Bank of England today named 19 of the 24 air terror suspects.

It followed an instruction by Chancellor Gordon Brown to the Bank of England to freeze the assets of the 19 people who were arrested yesterday in connection with an alleged plot to blow up passenger jets leaving UK airports for the US.

Reported by The Telegraph as well:
QUOTE
The 19 were also named by the Bank of England acting on the orders of Chancellor Gordon Brown.

More worrying is:
QUOTE
Later, John Reid, the Home Secretary, said the official threat level would remain at 'Critical' as a precautionary measure to protect the public.


suspecta - August 11, 2006 12:45 PM (GMT)
Time to start looking in depth at these new terrorists who've just been arrested. At least 3 of them are converts, including Don Stewart-Whyte and Oliver Savant. And I've just found this, from the Hindustan Times:

QUOTE
Following Thursday's foiled terror attempt at London's Heathrow airport, investigating officers have learnt that at least one of the suspects had turned radical following a two month trip to Pakistan, and also come back with substantial funds, enough to purchase plum real estate.

Officials said 26 year Shazad Khuramali, who was arrested from High Wycombe, had gone to Pakistan and come back with a lot of money, enough to buy a 300,000 pound bungalow all in cash.

"The family turned up two years ago and bought a house here. Their son disappeared to Pakistan for a couple of months and came back with enough money to buy the bungalow opposite.

The family paid cash, around 300,000 pounds. They rented out the bungalow to asylum seekers. At one point there were 15 people living there," The Sun quoted a neighbour as saying.

A friend of his said Shazad changed after his visit to Pakistan, switching mosques and becoming much more devout.

"He went to Pakistan two years ago and came back a changed man. Everyone noticed changes in him," he said.

Officers said most of those arrested included Britons of Muslim faith and the majority of them had some links to Pakistan.

Either they were born to Pakistani immigrants who had settled in England or had been radicalised into fundamentalism after a trip down to their ancestral country.

According to the Daily Mail, Amjad and Asad Sarwar, two of the several youth who were arrested by authorities in the crackdown in the aftermath of the foiled terror attempt on airlines at Heathrow airport, had turned religious in recent years.

The two were even very popular in their school, Sir William Ramsey School at Buckinghamshire till they reached their teens.

"But they suddenly changed a few years ago. They became very religious, began to grow long beards and stopped socialising," said a neighbour.

Phil Redfern, who was at school with the two, said the brothers even began to shun mainstream mosques and instead frequented a smaller mosque behind a nearby Islamic bookshop.
At Hepplewhite Don Stewart-Whyte, 19, converted to Islam and began growing a beard.

A neighbour said he was a 'mummy's boy' who converted to Islam six months ago and married an Arab girl in recent weeks.

According to The Independent, Whyte changed his name to Abdul Wahid after adopting Islam.

"The majority of his friends are Muslims and that's how he got interested in the religion. Some say he was rebellious when he was a teenager but he wasn't that bad," said the neighbour.

It was somewhat similar with British born Folkestone Road dweller, Oliver Savant, 25, who changed his name to Ibrahim after becoming a devout Muslim some eight years ago.

His neighbour, retired fireman Paul Kleinman, said of him: "I've known him since the day he was born. He was a very polite young man.

Oliver started putting on Muslim robes and growing his beard long a few years back".

"He's a nice lad, but you now have to be quite careful what you say to him as he is very religious. He wears the full Muslim robes and is a quiet chap.

His dad is as British as British can be. He has turned his back on his native culture and even supports England at cricket. Oliver is the only one who is a little different," Kleinman added.

British officials said their Pakistani counterparts had helped them to a great extent with investigations in to the foiled terror attack, the biggest involving airlines since 9/11.

Officials said although it was not clear what type of links the attackers had to Pakistan, they were looking into various angles and find out whether the plot was devised in Pakistan with an active contribution from home grown Pakistani militant groups like the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

According to The Times, though Pakistan has been quick to refute suggestions that the house arrest order of former LeT chief had anything to do with the bombing plans, the timing of the arrest was significant.


£300,000 in cash, eh? Wonder who gave him that??? And didn't Tanweer have a vast sum of cash that nobody has ever been able or willing to explain?

I've also just read somewhere that one of the terrorists believed 9-11 to be an inside job, and have just realised (duh!) how being a terrorist can be reconciled with believing 9-11 was an inside job - of course 'they don't really believe it, they're blaming it on Mossad or whoever to shift the blame from themselves.'

So this makes all of us who see these attacks as inside jobs willing dupes of evil Islamic fundamentalists.

Sigh.

Suspecta

PS Also, some research into this bookshop could come up with some interesting results. Who set it up? Friends of McDaid, or perhaps McLintock was involved...

suspecta - August 11, 2006 02:32 PM (GMT)
In the current climate, how much do you think it would take to get ordinary British citizens to go out at night and smash up mosques?

You can see exactly how the German government got Germans and Austrians to smash up synaogogues on 'Kristallnacht' in November 1838, can't you? A concerted, longterm propaganda war against Jews and the vast majority of the German and Austrian public ended up brainwashed. Just like the British and American public are today.

I also see John Updike has written a novel called 'The Terrorist' - all about a young Muslim boy's radicalisation. The fevered imaginings of an author too lazy to look behind the headlines...

Isn't it time for someone to write a novel about intelligence service infiltration of Muslim communities?

Actually, funnily enough, Stella Rimington has just done that...

Here is a review of her first book Secret Asset:

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MI5 Intelligence Officer Liz Carlyle learns from one of her agents that suspicious meetings have been taking place at an Islamic bookshop. She feels instinctively that a terrorist cell is at work and when she reports this to Charles Wetherby, the Director of Counter Terrorism, a surveillance operation is immediately put into place. An attack seems imminent.
So Liz is surprised when Wetherby takes her off the case - this is just her sort of operation. However, Wetherby has some very disturbing news. He has received a tip-off that a mole has been planted in one of the branches of British Intelligence. If true, then the potential damage to the Service itself could be immeasurable.

As her colleagues try to counter an impending terrorist strike, Liz must use all her skills to find out who the mole is, and what their intentions are, before it is too late.

In Secret Asset, the second Liz Carlyle novel, Stella Rimington once again brings all her experience to bear in a truly compelling thriller that takes the reader into a world where no-one can be trusted and nothing is what is seems.


Well, she's certainly right that nothing is what it seems, and she should know. Bear in mind, of course, that her books have had to be cleared with MI5 before publication. :)

Suspecta

i_believe - August 11, 2006 02:48 PM (GMT)
How similar are these phrases to what we're hearing in the news today?
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MI5 Intelligence Officer ... learns ... that suspicious meetings have been taking place at an Islamic bookshop ... feels instinctively that a terrorist cell is at work ... a surveillance operation is immediately put into place ... attack seems imminent

And this one (or the alleged attempt to do so) was from a few weeks ago:
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a mole has been planted in one of the branches of British Intelligence


zArk - August 11, 2006 03:19 PM (GMT)

Bush and Blair discussed the exercise on Sunday and yesterday morning the FTSE 100 dropped by 30 billion quid

They knew it would happen.

Insider trading.

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Downing Street officials said he had also mentioned the specificsurveillance operation. Mr Blair warned the president that it showed therewas a specific threat to US airlines and urged total secrecy, warningpremature leaks would destroy the monitoring of the group.

From his holiday home, he spoke again to Mr Bush on Wednesday around 8pmUK time, again mentioning the security threat, but primarily discussingfresh plans to break the deadlock at the UN on the Middle East. Hours laterpolice and security services were in contact with their US partners to saya specific threat was being acted upon
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John Reid, the home secretary, chaired meetings of Cobra, the cabinet emergencies committee, on Wednesday night and yesterday morning as the police operation took place. Tony Blair was kept informed of the operation while on holiday in Barbados. Mr Reid said that if the bombers had succeeded they would have caused death on an "unprecedented scale".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842272,00.html

The 'in-the-know' are extracting public wealth.

Civil Rights
gone and the public are loving it. Losing freedom gives you liberty.
Taking mobile phones of people at the airport, no books, clear plastic bags. Omfg

The terrorists hate your freedom therefore we are taking your freedom to make you safe.
Who are the terrorists?

Criminal businessmen running global protection rackets.

world dictatorship
QUOTE
The Bank of England named and froze the assets of 19 of the 24 air terror suspects today. It acted under powers granted by the United Nations to tackle the financing of terrorism in the wake of September 11.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1842393,00.html

The war on terror is the gateway for an open world dictatorship and its being quietly announced in the news.

QUOTE
CHERTOFF: Let me just echo that. I mean, it does seem a little odd maybe to hear somebody say, “Enjoy your trip,” but the whole point of this exercise is to continue to maintain the level of safety and security in air travel in this country that we have had since September 11th

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5634298

"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, the Bilderberger Group, and the Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, PhD, former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary-General Manfred Werner, November 6, 2001

The Antagonist - August 11, 2006 03:34 PM (GMT)
Zark, I have a feeling you've just killed another thread with your concise summation of how messed up things really are.

Bridget - August 11, 2006 03:54 PM (GMT)
Hi zArk nice to have you back and thanks for the incisive analysis.

In spite of how dark it is they haven't won yet! The death throes of Capitalism?

zArk - August 11, 2006 06:02 PM (GMT)
No, the criminals aint going to win.

interesting radio news report

Radio 2;

started by mentioning the airplane bomb plot
then moved into the security measures envoked

last item was forest fires started by firefighters because it pays well to put them out
http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_n...06081133610.xml

QUOTE
The regional authorities says they are dealing with a “wave of deliberate fires” and said earlier they had arrested five people since Monday. Rewards and special protection have been offered to people giving information about those starting the blazes.


Heh, the BBC are attempting to convey messages through montages of news stories.

This is how the mafia and criminal business people operate;

"give us what we want otherwise we cant protect you"

and if the public arent impressed guess what happens?

freedomfiles - August 11, 2006 08:40 PM (GMT)
I suspect this is the Rashid Rauf who is accused of being the mastermind behind the plane terror plot ? Rashid Rauf was arrested in Pakistan, and other Rauf family members involved came from Birmingham ?

Interesting to see links to Rawalpindi, which is more or less the hometown of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency ?

But then again, that might be coincidental. And I'm not sure yet the Rauf I'm talking about is the same person who is accused of being the mastermind behind the terror scare...

QUOTE
Rashid Rauf
Business Man, Entreprenuer, Author and Research Analyst

Healthwise Inc. Pakistan
+9251 4581281
+92300 5193045

Desi Khana Limited
706 Stratford Road, Sparkhill, Birmingham B11 4AT
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 121 778 4450
Fax: +44 121 778 3311

Desi Grill Khana
365 Ladypool Road, Birmingham B12 8LA. United Kingdom
Tel: +44 121 442 2299

The Sisters Trust (Hesar)
158 Woodlands Road, Sparkhill, Birmingham B11 4ET.
Tel: +44 121 247 0620
Fax: +44 121 778 3311

Pakistan Office
+9251 458 1281
+92 300 5193045

rashid58@yahoo.com

http://www.rashidrauf.com/


QUOTE
Company Details - CONTINEX LTD
Registered No. 04798982
  
Address: 158 WOODLANDS ROAD
SPARKHILL
BIRMINGHAM
B11 4ET
Telephone Numbers: Find Telephone Numbers for this Company 
Type: Private Limited with share capital
Incorporation Date: 13/06/2003
Status: Non-trading company
Last Accounts Filed: 30/06/2004
Last Accounts Analysed: -

http://www.ukdata.com/company-credit-repor...NTINEX-LTD.html


QUOTE
RESTAURANT DETAILS
Desi Khana
706 Stratford Road
Sparkhil
Birmingham  B11 4AT

Tel: 0121 778 4450
Contact: Mr Rashid Rauf

Style: Restaurant
Opening Hours: 6pm-late (7days a week)
Speciality: Desi Style Food
Seating: 70

The name effectively means ‘Home Style’ and with colourful chairs and marble tables imported from Pakistan it certainly is! No alcohol is allowed but a cooling lassi is a great teetotal alternative.

Starters were fresh Sheeksh Kebabs and Chicken Tikka served up sizzling on a bed of sweet onions. Superbly spiced chunks of tender chicken tikka were a real highlight with two different types of dips on hand. The main course of Balti Chicken in olive oil was a tasty and healthy dish complemented by a yeasty Garlic Naan.

http://www.balti-birmingham.co.uk/restaurant.asp?resid=64#


QUOTE
Health Wise Inc Head Office : 
71/A , Suite #13, Satellite Shopping Centre, 6th road satellite Town, Rawalpindi. Pakistan. 
Tel : 92-51-4587281 , Fax : 92-51-4840825, Cell No : 92-300-9563549
Visit on URL : www.healthwiseinc.net

E-mail us on : healthwiseinc@healthwiseinc.net

info@healthwiseinc.net

Health Wise Inc Sub-Office : 
158-Woodland road, spark hill, Birmingham B11 4ET United Kingdom. 
Tel : +441212470620 , Fax: +441217783311 , Cell : +447977045031 
URL : www.rashidrauf.com

http://www.healthwiseinc.net/Contact_us.htm

freedomfiles - August 11, 2006 10:04 PM (GMT)
Smear attack on George Galloway :

user posted image

Suspect 'met Galloway'
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006370177,00.html

TERROR suspect Waheed Zaman met controversial MP George Galloway many times, his sister said last night.

Safeena, 24, said of her 23-year-old brother: “He saw it as his duty to stand up for his community and that’s what led him to know George Galloway. He has a lot of respect for him and has met him many times.”

A spokesman for MP Galloway, above, said: “Waheed Zaman is not a name that George is familiar with. He is not known to him on a personal level.”

There is no suggestion Galloway is an associate of Zaman.

CNN's Amanpour Links 9/11 Truthers With Sky Terrorists
Says Muslims, "succumbing to the conspiracy theories"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/augus...nkstruthers.htm

numeral - August 12, 2006 11:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Aug. 11, 2006 -- UPDATED. According to knowledgeable sources in the UK and other countries, the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new "terror" scare to avert the public's eyes away from Blair's increasing political woes. British law enforcement; neo-con and intelligence operatives in the United States, Israel, and Britain; and Rupert Murdoch's global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 "Oplan Bojinka" plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the United States. In the latest plot, it is reported that liquid bombs were to be detonated on 10 trans-Atlantic planes outbound from Britain to the United States.

British and American authorities permitted a man with a liquid bomb to board a U.S.-bound flight in Heathrow on Aug. 6 -- the pilot foiled secret UK-US attempt to hype an incident en route to or at Boston Logan.

The London terror plan was "known" last Sunday by British and American authorities, according to the Indian press. American Airlines flight 109 from London Heathrow to Boston boarded a family of five, however, after the plane left Heathrow authorities determined that the father appeared on a British suspect list drawn up after the 7/7 London transit attacks. At first, the pilot was instructed to fly all the way to Boston where U.S. authorities could claim credit for apprehending the suspect. However, the pilot, fearing for the safety of his passengers and crew, refused and quickly returned to Heathrow without informing the passengers. Once on the ground, it was discovered that the male had in his carry-on baggage the type of combination liquid explosive and electronic device now being hyped by the British and American media.


British sources report that the reason for the delay in informing the airlines and traveling public about the liquid bomb on the American flight was to maximize the beneficial political impact for Blair and George W. Bush, both plummeting in the polls from the situations in Iraq and Lebanon.

Earlier this week, two employees of Murdoch's London tabloid, News of the World, were charged with hacking into the voice and text cell phone messages of three members of the staff of Clarence House, the residence of Princes Charles, William, and Harry. One of those charged with the wiretapping was Clive Goodman, the Royals editor of the News of the World. The same paper earlier tried to politically damage two anti-Iraq war British politicians -- Scottish Socialist Tommy Sheridan and Respect Party MP George Galloway. The paper charges that Sheridan was unfaithful to his wife by going to swinger's clubs. He won a quarter million dollar lawsuit against the paper. Galloway was confronted by Mazher Mahmood, an individual who uses the moniker "Fake Sheik," who posed as a wealthy Arab businessman and tried unsuccessfully to get Galloway to accept cash and make anti-Semitic remarks. In fact, Mahmood was and continues to be a reporter for News of the World, his continued employment approved by Murdoch. Goodman has merely been suspended by Murdoch but he has not been fired.

Murdoch uncovered Prince Charles-Gordon Brown plot to oust Blair. Phony terror plan cooked up to derail political coup plans.

However, what prompted Murdoch and Blair to hype a new global "terror" threat was what Murdoch learned from eavesdropping on the phone calls of Prince Charles' staff at the future king's office, home, and limousine. The eavesdropping revealed that Charles was working with Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown, who is to the left of Blair, to conduct the same type of political maneuver that John Major used to oust Margaret Thatcher from office. London's left-wing Mayor, Ken Livingston, was also in on the Charles-Brown plan and it was expected that in return for his support, Livingston would get a senior position in a Brown cabinet -- a development that sent shock waves through the neo-con circles in London, Washington, and Jerusalem, including British Home Secretary John Reid and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. The Charles-Brown plan was briefed by Blair to Bush during the former's recent visit to Washington. However, because the phony terror plot was known to both leaders -- they decided to be away on vacation when the terror plot was "uncovered." Bush is vacationing at his Crawford, Texas "ranch," while Blair is on vacation in Barbados, staying at Sir Cliff Richard's luxurious villa.

After Blair met with Bush in Washington, he flew to California where on July 30 he attended Murdoch's News Corporation private corporate executive conference at the posh Inn at Spanish Bay golf resort in Pebble Beach. Blair met with Murdoch, Israeli former Prime Minister Shimon Peres, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Newt Gingrich, and various Fox, Star, and Sky News executives. The final touches were agreed to by Blair and Murdoch on how the fake terror plot would play out in Murdoch's media empire.

Airline terror plot cooked up by Blair, Bush, and Murdoch to save Tony's political ass.

Blair told Bush that a Brown government would move to withdraw British troops from Iraq, break the "special relationship" with the Bush White House, and move closer to the European Union and the United Nations.

The Israeli attack on Lebanon created a rift within Blair's Cabinet with some former Blair loyalists signaling their support for the political coup against Blair. As a result, a suspect passenger was permitted to board an American aircraft at Heathrow with a liquid bomb to lay the groundwork for the media and travel hysteria five days later.

Final touches on fake terror plot were agreed to by Blair and Murdoch at July 30 News Corp/Fox VIP meeting at the Inn at Spanish Bay in Pebble Beach, California.

The wiretapping of Charles' messages also indicated that he has weighed in with various European royal families to discourage them from inviting Bush on state visits to their nations. This, reportedly upset the Bush and Blair regimes, who were working together to improve Bush's image in Europe. The White House's displeasure with the monarchies in Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Luxembourg, and Norway are a direct result of the Murdoch eavesdropping on Charles' staff.

Murdoch-Bush-Blair perception management hoax: Be afraid, be very afraid.

Not surprisingly, after Galloway tore into a Sky News reporter on a recent televised interview, The Sun, a Murdoch paper, is now reporting that one of the 24 British aircraft liquid bomber suspects now under arrest, Waheed Zaman, met with Galloway "many times." The paper quotes the sister of the suspect. A Galloway spokesman denies that Galloway knows the suspect. What is suspect is the Murdoch media empire that makes up news and commits illegal acts to provide cover for the false flag operations being conducted by Britain, the U.S., and Israel.

Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency has helped provide the cover story for the alleged liquid bombers. Working with British and U.S. intelligence, the ISI says it broke up the plot after arresting terrorist suspects in Lahore and Karachi. However, the ISI claims that the men were affiliated with the Kashmiri terrorist group Lashkar-e-Toiba, a group that is run and funded by the ISI itself.

The disclosure of the Charles-Brown plot has already created a backlash from the neo-cons. The Murdoch media is already floating the rumor that Home Secretary Reid is now Blair's chosen successor, while there will be an effort to scandalize Charles in an effort to convince the British public that it would be best to skip over him and have Prince William assume the throne upon Queen Elizabeth's death or abdication.

British commentators are noting that it is Reid, a noted neo-con, who is chairing national security "Cobra" meetings in Blair's absence. Blair bypassed Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott and many political observers believe that Prescott was passed over because of evidence that he was involved in supporting the Charles-Brown coup. Prescott chaired Cobra meetings in the wake of the July 7, 2005 (7/7) London transit bombings.

Meanwhile, Republican governors Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mitt Romney used the occasion to boost their sagging popularity by placing their states' National Guardsmen at major airports in their states.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

Rattling good yarn. But can the Aug 6 incident be confirmed? As usual the type of explosive is not specified. How about Astrolite G? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolite

numeral - August 12, 2006 11:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
London-Boston Flight Called Back
American Airlines Plane Returns To England With 'No Fly' Passenger

LONDON, Aug. 7, 2006

(AP) A London-to-Boston flight was called back to Heathrow Airport on Monday after U.S. authorities discovered a passenger's name was on their "no-fly" list, officials said. Four passengers were being questioned by border control officers.

American Airlines Flight 109, a Boeing 777, left London at 5:55 a.m. EDT headed for Boston, said Tim Wagner, a spokesman for the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline.

"The flight returned to Heathrow due to a security issue that needed to be resolved in London," he said. "It was not a security threat to the aircraft. The flight was in no danger."

Wagner provided no other details.

Phil Orlandella, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Port Authority, which runs Boston's Logan Airport, said staff were told at a meeting Monday morning that the name of a passenger on the flight matched one on the no-fly list. He had no further information.

"Out of an abundance of caution, Homeland Security determined the flight would not be allowed to land in Boston," a U.S. Homeland Security Department official said in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

He said no unusual activity was reported aboard the plane.

The man, traveling with three women identified as his mother and two sisters, was taken into custody for questioning by British and U.S. authorities, the Homeland Security official said.

The official, who did not know the suspect passenger's age or nationality, said the three women traveling with him were not taken into custody.

But London's Metropolitan Police said port and border control officials were questioning four passengers removed from the flight.

Police did not specify who they were.

The U.S. Transportation Security Administration's "no-fly" list was established after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to prevent people who may have terrorist ties from boarding commercial flights.

Kier - August 12, 2006 12:24 PM (GMT)
Oh, these descriptions look familiar...

QUOTE
The enemy within? The ordinary men in the midst of an extraordinary plot
By Jonathan Brown Geneviève Roberts and Cahal Milmo
Published: 12 August 2006

One is a taxi-driver, another delivers pizzas, one group buys and sells used cars. They earn their livings in unremarkable ways.

They are family types, with young children and pregnant wives. They live in typical suburbs and ordinary towns. To relax, they watch cricket and football, meet their friends and pray at the local mosque. On the surface, their lives are unexceptional.

But in the early hours of Thursday morning, 23 young men and one woman were arrested in a series of raids in connection with an alleged plot to bring down five airliners packed with passengers.

Yesterday police found bomb-making equipment, intelligence sources claimed. And it emerged that the raids were prompted by an arrest of a Briton in Pakistan on Wednesday.

But what of the British-born suspects who face up to 28 days of questioning?

One is Waheed Zaman. He liked to kick a football though, like many young men, his enthusiasm ran ahead of his ability. Turning out with his mates at Lloyd's Park in the east London suburb of Walthamstow, the Liverpool fan failed to make the grade for the local side Asianos FC. His friend Oliver Savant was a different proposition on the pitch and a sought-after player among the Asian teams that battled it out each Sunday afternoon as their less-motivated friends sat through the EastEnders omnibusat home.

Despite the three years between them, the two men had been close since school, both attending Kelmscott secondary - a typical London comprehensive where a third of the pupils are of Pakistani descent.

When Mr Savant converted to Islam and changed his name to Ibrahim eight years ago, the two worshipped at Queens Road Mosque, where, before it underwent a £2m rebuilding programme, Friday prayers used to spill out onto the street. Islamic classes at the Madrassas were always over-subscribed by the area's children.

With his beard and flowing white robes, Mr Savant cut a distinctive figure, driving his R-registration silver Honda car each day to the music company he ran with his brother in Limehouse. Early on Thursday morning, the newly married 25-year-old was arrested at his home in Folkestone Road as police led away his pregnant wife Atika, from the couple's maisonette a few miles down the road in Stoke Newington.

Back in Walthamstow, Mr Zaman was watching late-night television at his Queens Road home along with his sister when the police came around. Their 90-year-old father was asleep upstairs.

The 22-year-old, who studied bio-medical sciences at London Metropolitan University, where he was president of the Islamic Society, was handcuffed and led to a waiting van.

Some 30 officers, some of them armed, had come to arrest him. His family, like that of his life-long friend, were furious and protested the innocence of the "popular, serious-minded" student, describing him as a "typical British lad", who liked nothing better watching his favourite team play football on TV and wolfing down a meal of burger and chips.

Yesterday the community rallied around the men, describing them as ordinary and peaceful. The father of three of the arrested men in east London, Nabeel, Tanvir and Umair Hussain broke down as he said his sons' only crime was "going to prayer".

Another youngster recalled fondly how Mr Zaman had encouraged him to be a doctor, lending him books on anatomy. He also gave him copies of his favourite novels, typically science fiction fantasy by Terry Pratchett and the humorous Artemis Fowl series by the Irish author Eoin Colfer.

Also arrested in Walthamstow that early morning was Muhammed Usman Saddique. The 24-year-old attended pirmary school with Mr Savant and who lived in a typical 1930s suburban semi-detached house on nearby Albert Road with his family. Also a regular at the Queens Road mosque he worked at the local pizza takeaway.

Amin Asmin Tariq's two-storey terraced home in Ravenswood Road was also raided. The 24-year-old was said to have shown little outward interest in his religion. Also recently married with a three-week-old baby, he came from a typical east London family - closely knit with a hardworking father who ran his own dry cleaning business until retirement. Mr Tariq was employed as a security guard at Heathrow airport.

Across London and 30 miles up the M40 motorway, the police were also at work on Thursday morning arresting six men in the Buckinghamshire town of High Wycombe. Four of those worked in the motor trade, importing cars from an office set up inside a suburban home.

It was a family affair. The business was run by 26-year-old Shazad Ali. He employed his younger brother and another man Amjad Sarwar, a cricket-loving 28-year-old. Mr Sarwar's brother Assad was also arrested and the two men, both married with young families, shared a house in Walton Drive, positioned on a declining 1960s estate. The only remarkable thing was the succession of used sports cars and SUVs that were parked on the drive outside, neighbours said.

Before his marriage, Amjad had posted his details on an internet dating site, in search of a girl with "a nice personality". He listed his hobbies as rap music and reading while the slim-built salesman said his favourite meal was fish.

The Ali brothers lived in Micklefield Road, where neighbours said a small prayer room had been built in their back garden. They were near-neighbours of Don Stewart-Whyte, who had converted to Islam six months ago after turning his back on drink and drugs problems.

Like many of the arrested men, he too was recently married. The 21-year-old was stopped in his red Nissan Micra by police early on Thursday morning.

The men held

* WALTHAMSTOW

Abdula Ahmed Ali, 25;

Cossor Ali, 27; Assan Abdullah Khan, 21; Waheed Arafat Khan, 25;

Osman Adam Khatib, 19;

Muhammed Usman Saddique, 24; Ibrahim Savant, 25; Asmin Asmin Tariq, 23; Waheed Zaman, 22

* EAST LONDON

Nabeel Hussain, 22 (arrested in Hackney); Tanvir Hussain, 25 (Leyton); Umair Hussain, 24 (Hackney); Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 35 (Stoke Newington); Abdul Muneem Patel, 17 (Hackney)

* HIGH WYCOMBE

Shazad Khuram Ali, 27; Umar Islam, 28; Waseem Kayani, 29; Assad Sarwar, 26; Don Stewart-Whyte, 19

* BIRMINGHAM

Tayib Rauf, 22

(Five of those arrested have yet to be named)

One is a taxi-driver, another delivers pizzas, one group buys and sells used cars. They earn their livings in unremarkable ways.

They are family types, with young children and pregnant wives. They live in typical suburbs and ordinary towns. To relax, they watch cricket and football, meet their friends and pray at the local mosque. On the surface, their lives are unexceptional.

But in the early hours of Thursday morning, 23 young men and one woman were arrested in a series of raids in connection with an alleged plot to bring down five airliners packed with passengers.

Yesterday police found bomb-making equipment, intelligence sources claimed. And it emerged that the raids were prompted by an arrest of a Briton in Pakistan on Wednesday.

But what of the British-born suspects who face up to 28 days of questioning?

One is Waheed Zaman. He liked to kick a football though, like many young men, his enthusiasm ran ahead of his ability. Turning out with his mates at Lloyd's Park in the east London suburb of Walthamstow, the Liverpool fan failed to make the grade for the local side Asianos FC. His friend Oliver Savant was a different proposition on the pitch and a sought-after player among the Asian teams that battled it out each Sunday afternoon as their less-motivated friends sat through the EastEnders omnibusat home.

Despite the three years between them, the two men had been close since school, both attending Kelmscott secondary - a typical London comprehensive where a third of the pupils are of Pakistani descent.

When Mr Savant converted to Islam and changed his name to Ibrahim eight years ago, the two worshipped at Queens Road Mosque, where, before it underwent a £2m rebuilding programme, Friday prayers used to spill out onto the street. Islamic classes at the Madrassas were always over-subscribed by the area's children.

With his beard and flowing white robes, Mr Savant cut a distinctive figure, driving his R-registration silver Honda car each day to the music company he ran with his brother in Limehouse. Early on Thursday morning, the newly married 25-year-old was arrested at his home in Folkestone Road as police led away his pregnant wife Atika, from the couple's maisonette a few miles down the road in Stoke Newington.

Back in Walthamstow, Mr Zaman was watching late-night television at his Queens Road home along with his sister when the police came around. Their 90-year-old father was asleep upstairs.

The 22-year-old, who studied bio-medical sciences at London Metropolitan University, where he was president of the Islamic Society, was handcuffed and led to a waiting van.

Some 30 officers, some of them armed, had come to arrest him. His family, like that of his life-long friend, were furious and protested the innocence of the "popular, serious-minded" student, describing him as a "typical British lad", who liked nothing better watching his favourite team play football on TV and wolfing down a meal of burger and chips.

Yesterday the community rallied around the men, describing them as ordinary and peaceful. The father of three of the arrested men in east London, Nabeel, Tanvir and Umair Hussain broke down as he said his sons' only crime was "going to prayer".

Another youngster recalled fondly how Mr Zaman had encouraged him to be a doctor, lending him books on anatomy. He also gave him copies of his favourite novels, typically science fiction fantasy by Terry Pratchett and the humorous Artemis Fowl series by the Irish author Eoin Colfer.
Also arrested in Walthamstow that early morning was Muhammed Usman Saddique. The 24-year-old attended pirmary school with Mr Savant and who lived in a typical 1930s suburban semi-detached house on nearby Albert Road with his family. Also a regular at the Queens Road mosque he worked at the local pizza takeaway.

Amin Asmin Tariq's two-storey terraced home in Ravenswood Road was also raided. The 24-year-old was said to have shown little outward interest in his religion. Also recently married with a three-week-old baby, he came from a typical east London family - closely knit with a hardworking father who ran his own dry cleaning business until retirement. Mr Tariq was employed as a security guard at Heathrow airport.

Across London and 30 miles up the M40 motorway, the police were also at work on Thursday morning arresting six men in the Buckinghamshire town of High Wycombe. Four of those worked in the motor trade, importing cars from an office set up inside a suburban home.

It was a family affair. The business was run by 26-year-old Shazad Ali. He employed his younger brother and another man Amjad Sarwar, a cricket-loving 28-year-old. Mr Sarwar's brother Assad was also arrested and the two men, both married with young families, shared a house in Walton Drive, positioned on a declining 1960s estate. The only remarkable thing was the succession of used sports cars and SUVs that were parked on the drive outside, neighbours said.

Before his marriage, Amjad had posted his details on an internet dating site, in search of a girl with "a nice personality". He listed his hobbies as rap music and reading while the slim-built salesman said his favourite meal was fish.

The Ali brothers lived in Micklefield Road, where neighbours said a small prayer room had been built in their back garden. They were near-neighbours of Don Stewart-Whyte, who had converted to Islam six months ago after turning his back on drink and drugs problems.

Like many of the arrested men, he too was recently married. The 21-year-old was stopped in his red Nissan Micra by police early on Thursday morning.

The men held

* WALTHAMSTOW

Abdula Ahmed Ali, 25;

Cossor Ali, 27; Assan Abdullah Khan, 21; Waheed Arafat Khan, 25;

Osman Adam Khatib, 19;

Muhammed Usman Saddique, 24; Ibrahim Savant, 25; Asmin Asmin Tariq, 23; Waheed Zaman, 22

* EAST LONDON

Nabeel Hussain, 22 (arrested in Hackney); Tanvir Hussain, 25 (Leyton); Umair Hussain, 24 (Hackney); Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 35 (Stoke Newington); Abdul Muneem Patel, 17 (Hackney)

* HIGH WYCOMBE

Shazad Khuram Ali, 27; Umar Islam, 28; Waseem Kayani, 29; Assad Sarwar, 26; Don Stewart-Whyte, 19

* BIRMINGHAM

Tayib Rauf, 22

(Five of those arrested have yet to be named)

The Independent




Kier - August 12, 2006 12:33 PM (GMT)
I wasn't sure whether to put this on this thread, or give it one of its own; it's such a brilliant article. I've had to pay a quid for this, so put it everywhere you can!

QUOTE
Robert Fisk: If you want the roots of terror, try here

I would love to have the Met in Beirut to counter terror in my part of the world
Published: 12 August 2006

When my electricity returned at around 3am yesterday, I turned on the BBC World Service television. There were a series of powerful explosions which shook the house - just as they vibrated across all of Beirut - as the latest Israeli air raids blasted over the city. And then up came the World Service headline: "Terror Plot". Terror what, I asked myself? And there was my favourite cop, Paul Stephenson, explaining how my favourite police force - the ones who bravely executed an innocent young Brazilian on the Tube, taking 30 seconds to fire six bullets into him - had saved the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians from suicide bombers on airliners.

I'm sure Independent readers will join me in watching how many of the suspects - or "British-born Muslims" as the BBC defined them in its special form of "soft" racism (they are surely Muslim Britons or British Muslims, are they not?) - are still in custody in a couple of weeks' time.

And I'm sure it's quite by chance that the lads in blue chose yesterday - with anger at Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara's shameful failure over Lebanon at its peak - to save the world. After all, it's scarcely three years since the other great Terror Plot had British armoured vehicles surrounding Heathrow on the very day - again quite by chance, of course - that hundreds of thousands of Britons were demonstrating against Lord Blair's intended invasion of Iraq.

So I sat on the carpet in my living room and watched all these heavily armed chaps at Heathrow protecting the British people from annihilation and then on came President George Bush to tell us that we were all fighting "Islamic fascism". There were more thumps in the darkness across Beirut where an awful lot of people are suffering from terror - although I can assure George W that while the pilots of the aircraft dropping bombs across the city in which I have lived for 30 years may or may not be fascists, they are definitely not Islamic.

And there, of course, was the same old problem. To protect the British people - and the American people - from "Islamic terror", we must have lots and lots of heavily armed policemen and soldiers and plainclothes police and endless departments of anti-terrorism, homeland security and other more sordid folk like the American torturers - some of them sadistic women - at Abu Ghraib and Baghram and Guantanamo. Yet the only way to protect ourselves from the real violence which may - and probably will - be visited upon us, is to deal, morally, with courage and with justice, with the tragedy of Lebanon and "Palestine" and Iraq and Afghanistan. And this we will not do.

I would, frankly, love to have Paul Stephenson out in Beirut to counter a little terror in my part of the world - Hizbollah terror and Israeli terror. But this, of course, is something that Paul and his lads don't have the spittle for. It's one thing to sound off about the alleged iniquities of alleged suspects of an alleged plot to create alleged terror - quite another to deal with the causes of that terror and to do so in the face of great danger.

I was amused to see that Bush - just before my electricity was cut off again - still mendaciously tells us that the "terrorists" hate us because of "our freedoms". Not because we support the Israelis who have massacred refugee columns, fired into Red Cross ambulances and slaughtered more than 1,000 Lebanese civilians - here indeed are crimes for Paul Stephenson to investigate - but because they hate our "freedoms".

And I notice with despair that our journalists again suck on the hind tit of authority, quoting endless (and anonymous) "security sources" without once challenging their information or the timing of Paul's "terror plot" discoveries or the nature of the details - somehow, "fizzy drinks bottles" doesn't quite work for me - nor the reasons why, if this whole panjandrum is correct, anyone would want to carry out such atrocities. We are told that the arrested men are Muslims. Now isn't that interesting? Muslims. This means that many of them - or their families - originally come from south-west Asia and the Middle East, from the area that encompasses Afghanistan, Iraq, "Palestine" and Lebanon.

In the old days, chaps like Paul used to pull out a map when faced with folk of different origins or religion or indeed different names. Indeed, if Paul Stephenson takes a school atlas, he'll notice that there are an awful lot of violent problems and injustice and suffering and - a speciality, it seems, of the Metropolitan Police - of death in the area from which the families of these "Muslims" come.

Could there be a connection, I wonder? Dare we look for a motive for the crime, or rather the "alleged crime"? The Met used to be pretty good at looking for motives. But not, of course, in the "war on terror", where - if he really searched for real motives - my favourite policeman would swiftly be back on the beat as Constable Paul Stephenson.

Take yesterday morning. On day 31of the Israeli version of the "war on terror" - a conflict to which Paul and the lads in blue apparently subscribe by proxy - an Israeli aircraft blew up the only remaining bridge to the Syrian frontier in northern Lebanon, in the mountainous and beautiful Akka district above the Mediterranean. With their usual sensitivity, the pilots who bombed the bridge - no terrorists they, mark you - chose to destroy the bridge when ordinary cars were crossing. So they massacred the 12 civilians who happened to be on the bridge. In the real world, we call that a war crime. Indeed, it's a crime worthy of the attention of Paul and his lads. But alas, Stephenson's job is to frighten the British people, not to stop the crimes that are the real reason for the British to be frightened.

Personally, I'm all for arresting criminals, be they of the "Islamic fascist" variety or the Bin Laden variety or the Israeli variety - their warriors of the air really should be arrested next time they drop into Heathrow - or the American variety (Abu Ghraib cum laude) and indeed of the kind that blow out the brains of Tube train passengers. But I don't think Paul Stephenson is. I think he huffs and he puffs but I do not think he stands for law and order. He works for the Ministry of Fear which, by its very nature, is not interested in motives or injustice. And I have to say, watching his performance before the next power cut last night, I thought he was doing a pretty good job for his masters.

When my electricity returned at around 3am yesterday, I turned on the BBC World Service television. There were a series of powerful explosions which shook the house - just as they vibrated across all of Beirut - as the latest Israeli air raids blasted over the city. And then up came the World Service headline: "Terror Plot". Terror what, I asked myself? And there was my favourite cop, Paul Stephenson, explaining how my favourite police force - the ones who bravely executed an innocent young Brazilian on the Tube, taking 30 seconds to fire six bullets into him - had saved the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians from suicide bombers on airliners.

I'm sureIndependent readers will join me in watching how many of the suspects - or "British-born Muslims" as the BBC defined them in its special form of "soft" racism (they are surely Muslim Britons or British Muslims, are they not?) - are still in custody in a couple of weeks' time.

And I'm sure it's quite by chance that the lads in blue chose yesterday - with anger at Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara's shameful failure over Lebanon at its peak - to save the world. After all, it's scarcely three years since the other great Terror Plot had British armoured vehicles surrounding Heathrow on the very day - again quite by chance, of course - that hundreds of thousands of Britons were demonstrating against Lord Blair's intended invasion of Iraq.

So I sat on the carpet in my living room and watched all these heavily armed chaps at Heathrow protecting the British people from annihilation and then on came President George Bush to tell us that we were all fighting "Islamic fascism". There were more thumps in the darkness across Beirut where an awful lot of people are suffering from terror - although I can assure George W that while the pilots of the aircraft dropping bombs across the city in which I have lived for 30 years may or may not be fascists, they are definitely not Islamic.

And there, of course, was the same old problem. To protect the British people - and the American people - from "Islamic terror", we must have lots and lots of heavily armed policemen and soldiers and plainclothes police and endless departments of anti-terrorism, homeland security and other more sordid folk like the American torturers - some of them sadistic women - at Abu Ghraib and Baghram and Guantanamo. Yet the only way to protect ourselves from the real violence which may - and probably will - be visited upon us, is to deal, morally, with courage and with justice, with the tragedy of Lebanon and "Palestine" and Iraq and Afghanistan. And this we will not do.

I would, frankly, love to have Paul Stephenson out in Beirut to counter a little terror in my part of the world - Hizbollah terror and Israeli terror. But this, of course, is something that Paul and his lads don't have the spittle for. It's one thing to sound off about the alleged iniquities of alleged suspects of an alleged plot to create alleged terror - quite another to deal with the causes of that terror and to do so in the face of great danger.

I was amused to see that Bush - just before my electricity was cut off again - still mendaciously tells us that the "terrorists" hate us because of "our freedoms". Not because we support the Israelis who have massacred refugee columns, fired into Red Cross ambulances and slaughtered more than 1,000 Lebanese civilians - here indeed are crimes for Paul Stephenson to investigate - but because they hate our "freedoms".
And I notice with despair that our journalists again suck on the hind tit of authority, quoting endless (and anonymous) "security sources" without once challenging their information or the timing of Paul's "terror plot" discoveries or the nature of the details - somehow, "fizzy drinks bottles" doesn't quite work for me - nor the reasons why, if this whole panjandrum is correct, anyone would want to carry out such atrocities. We are told that the arrested men are Muslims. Now isn't that interesting? Muslims. This means that many of them - or their families - originally come from south-west Asia and the Middle East, from the area that encompasses Afghanistan, Iraq, "Palestine" and Lebanon.

In the old days, chaps like Paul used to pull out a map when faced with folk of different origins or religion or indeed different names. Indeed, if Paul Stephenson takes a school atlas, he'll notice that there are an awful lot of violent problems and injustice and suffering and - a speciality, it seems, of the Metropolitan Police - of death in the area from which the families of these "Muslims" come.

Could there be a connection, I wonder? Dare we look for a motive for the crime, or rather the "alleged crime"? The Met used to be pretty good at looking for motives. But not, of course, in the "war on terror", where - if he really searched for real motives - my favourite policeman would swiftly be back on the beat as Constable Paul Stephenson.

Take yesterday morning. On day 31of the Israeli version of the "war on terror" - a conflict to which Paul and the lads in blue apparently subscribe by proxy - an Israeli aircraft blew up the only remaining bridge to the Syrian frontier in northern Lebanon, in the mountainous and beautiful Akka district above the Mediterranean. With their usual sensitivity, the pilots who bombed the bridge - no terrorists they, mark you - chose to destroy the bridge when ordinary cars were crossing. So they massacred the 12 civilians who happened to be on the bridge. In the real world, we call that a war crime. Indeed, it's a crime worthy of the attention of Paul and his lads. But alas, Stephenson's job is to frighten the British people, not to stop the crimes that are the real reason for the British to be frightened.

Personally, I'm all for arresting criminals, be they of the "Islamic fascist" variety or the Bin Laden variety or the Israeli variety - their warriors of the air really should be arrested next time they drop into Heathrow - or the American variety (Abu Ghraib cum laude) and indeed of the kind that blow out the brains of Tube train passengers. But I don't think Paul Stephenson is. I think he huffs and he puffs but I do not think he stands for law and order. He works for the Ministry of Fear which, by its very nature, is not interested in motives or injustice. And I have to say, watching his performance before the next power cut last night, I thought he was doing a pretty good job for his masters.

The Independent


suspecta - August 12, 2006 02:00 PM (GMT)
Keir says the descriptions of the arrested 'terrorists' look familiar. They sure do.

Out of interest, who do the posters here think these 24 arrested might be? Total innocents? MI5 recruits? Or genuine card-carrying Al Qaeda terrorists?

I for one strongly doubt any of them to be card-carrying Al Qaeda terrorists, primarily because I believe Al Qaeda to be an intelligence-led construct for the purposes of justifying the 'war on terror'.

This leaves MI5 recruits or total innocents. Or a combination of both, perhaps?

Some of them are Muslim converts, which always makes me suspicious. Some of them have 'recently become more radical' - also a cause for suspicion. Mohammed Atta the 9-11 ringleader was reported as becoming radicalised in the run-up to 9-11 but was also seen in night-clubs with large wads of cash just before 9-11, hardly the actions of a devout Muslim. Tanweer (7/7) had an inexplicably large sum of money in his bank account, and one of the recent suspects recently bought a house with £300,000 cash. How, one wonders?

Most of the British suspects are seen to be quite harmless by their friends and neighbours, but perhaps MI5 recruits would do just that - lead apparently normal lives while working secretly for MI5.

MI5 is repeatedly requesting job applications from Muslims to 'help fight the war on terror'. Presumably people have been recruited and are now deep into their jobs. Where are they, one wonders, and what are they up to?

I've also found newspaper reports that Al Qaeda recruit at universities and within Muslim communities. So do MI5! Al Qaeda are also looking for IT experts. So are MI5! (Al Qaeda recruiters target prisoners; it's not known known if MI5 also do this.) Confusingly, MI5 also put out reports that Al Qaeda members are attempting to infiltrate MI5, but could this be an attempt to obscure the truth?

Anyway, I'm curious to know what you guys here think about these suspects.

My view is that some of them are probably MI5 recruits and the rest totally innocent of anything at all.

Suspecta



numeral - August 13, 2006 01:58 PM (GMT)
Another report on the flight 109 incident:
QUOTE
Flight turned back over security 
A US-bound plane carrying 240 passengers was turned around mid-flight for security reasons.
American Airlines flight 109 left for Boston on Monday, but two hours into the journey it turned back to Heathrow Airport in west London.

Scotland Yard said four people were being "spoken to" at Heathrow, but no-one had been arrested.

A spokesman for Boston's Logan Airport said one passenger's name matched a name on the "no-fly" list.

There were 240 passengers and 13 crew members on board the Boeing 777 aircraft, which was due to touch down in Boston at 1805 BST.

But it was back on the runway at Heathrow by about 1530 BST.

'Security issue'

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said four people were being spoken to under port and border controls - a section of the Terrorism Act under which a person can be questioned and detained for up to nine hours.

But she stressed they had not been arrested.

In a statement, American Airlines said the plane returned to Heathrow "due to a security issue that needed to be resolved in London".

It added: "American Airlines has cancelled the flight and is working to rebook passengers on alternative flights to Boston.

"American Airlines regrets the inconvenience caused to its customers."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5253930.stm

The story has attracted trolls on http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3136
and iraqwar.mirror-world.ru http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/98450

Wayne Madsen has 5 people involved whereas the mainstream accounts have four.

And why was the NoW illegally hacking Clarence House? How did they get caught?

suspecta - August 13, 2006 02:46 PM (GMT)
I wonder why the 4 or 5 people apprehended at Heathrow weren't arrested when they were on a terrorist watch list and there was already intelligence that a major aeroplane plot was in the offing?

I'm guessing here but could they have been known to MI5 in a way we're not supposed to know about?

Or is that just my suspicious mind?

Suspecta


numeral - August 13, 2006 03:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (suspecta @ Aug 13 2006, 02:46 PM)
I wonder why the 4 or 5 people apprehended at Heathrow weren't arrested when they were on a terrorist watch list and there was already intelligence that a major aeroplane plot was in the offing?

I'm guessing here but could they have been known to MI5 in a way we're not supposed to know about?

Or is that just my suspicious mind?

Suspecta

Hi suspecta

The passenger list has to be sent to the US and checked against the whimsical (i.e. anybody they do not like they put on it, e.g Senator Edward Kennedy) no-fly list there. So it could happen that the UK had nothing against the 4/5 people involved. It was only when the passenger list arrived in the US that some-one matched a name on the no-fly list.

Bridget - August 13, 2006 08:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
The youngest of the terror suspects arrested in the raids was a heavily pregnant woman from Hackney, London.

The Asian woman was taken by police handcuffed and still wearing pyjamas from a top floor flat in Denver Road.

It has been reported today that the woman, who has not yet been named, is the wife of Muslim convert Oliver Savant. Eye witnesses described her as five foot tall with braided hair.

One witness said: "I heard a man shout and then the door was knocked through. I looked out of the window and saw a team of armed officers - wearing helmets and goggles - pour out of a black unmarked Mercedes people carrier.

"There were another two vans full of police wearing bullet-proof vests. And there were two guys who looked like intelligence agents who were controlling things."


In another raid, a young woman and her six month-old baby was taken into custoday.

It is believed that terrorists were planning to use liquid explosives to blow up the aeroplanes and as a result, airport security checks are forcing mothers to taste their bottles of baby milk before boarding.

Daily Mail

A lot of armed police for one heavily pregnant woman.

Bridget - August 13, 2006 09:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests
British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official says

• Disagreement over terror arrests
Aug. 12: U.S. and British authorities disagreed on when to break up an alleged plot to blow up airliners bound for the United States, officials say. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.

By Aram Roston, Lisa Myers, and the NBC News Investigative Unit
NBC News
Updated: 8:13 p.m. ET Aug. 12, 2006

LONDON - NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the United States.

A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.

In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.

The source did say, however, that police believe one U.K.-based suspect was ready to conduct a "dry run." British authorities had wanted to let him go forward with part of the plan, but the Americans balked.

At the White House, a top aide to President Bush denied the account.

"There was unprecedented cooperation and coordination between the U.S., the U.K. and Pakistani officials throughout the case," said Frances Townsend, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, "and we worked together to protect our citizens from harm while ensuring that we gathered as much info as possible to bring the plotters to justice. There was no disagreement between U.S. and U.K. officials."

Another U.S. official, however, acknowledges there was disagreement over timing. Analysts say that in recent years, American security officials have become edgier than the British in such cases because of missed opportunities leading up to 9/11.

Aside from the timing issue, there was excellent cooperation between the British and the Americans, officials told NBC.

The British official said the Americans also argued over the timing of the arrest of suspected ringleader Rashid Rauf in Pakistan, warning that if he was not taken into custody immediately, the U.S. would "render" him or pressure the Pakistani government to arrest him.

British security was concerned that Rauf be taken into custody "in circumstances where there was due process," according to the official, so that he could be tried in British courts. Ultimately, this official says, Rauf was arrested over the objections of the British.

The official shed light on other aspects of the case, saying that while the investigation into the bombing plot began "months ago," some suspects were known to the security services even before the London subway bombings last year.

He acknowledged that authorities had conducted electronic and e-mail surveillance as well as physical surveillance of the suspects.

Monitoring of Rauf, in particular, apparently played a critical role, revealing that the plotters had tested the explosive liquid mixture they planned to use at a location outside Britain. NBC News has previously reported that the explosive mixture was tested in Pakistan. The source said the suspects in Britain had obtained at least some of the materials for the explosive but had not yet actually prepared or mixed it.

numeral - August 14, 2006 03:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Pakistan says 'ringleader' admits link with al-Qaida

Arrested Briton has given 'many clues' but campaigners say he was tortured

Duncan Campbell in Islamabad and Randeep Ramesh in Lahore
Monday August 14, 2006
The Guardian


The suspected ringleader of the alleged plot to blow up flights out of Heathrow has provided details that directly link the conspiracy to al-Qaida in Afghanistan, Pakistani officials said yesterday. The interior minister, Aftab Sherpao, said Rashid Rauf had given investigators "many, many clues which link this plan with Afghanistan, especially the al-Qaida of Osama bin Laden".
He said Mr Rauf had been brought before a court and had been remanded in custody for a further two weeks.

Mr Rauf, a British citizen, was held last week in Pakistan and has been pinpointed by security sources in the UK and Pakistan as the plot's prime mover. British officials said moves were under way to extradite him to Britain.

Tasneem Aslam, the Pakistan foreign ministry spokeswoman, told the Guardian last night that information from Mr Rauf had led to last week's arrests in Britain, which included his brother Tayib, and confirmed that the plot was believed to have originated with "al-Qaida based in Afghanistan".

Intelligence sources suggested that Mr Rauf was believed to have spent time in Lahore with members of the radical group al-Muhajiroun, now a proscribed organisation in Britain.

Members of the group, who were supposedly in the country to do welfare work with earthquake victims, were required to leave when it transpired that they were British citizens. Yesterday there were unconfirmed reports in the Nation newspaper that Mr Rauf had been seeking to contact Matiur Rehman, who is wanted for an assassination attempt on President Pervez Musharraf and has a 10 million rupee (£88,000) bounty on his head. But though Mr Rehman has been named in the UK as a possible mastermind of the plot, this was played down yesterday by security officials in both countries.

The investigation is continuing in Pakistan with further arrests - said to number between seven and 20 - understood to have taken place in the past few days.

The foreign ministry spokeswoman described reports of how the alleged plot had been funded by an earthquake charity as "speculation and fabrication".

Reports in Pakistani newspapers yesterday that Mr Rauf had "broken" under interrogation were described by a Pakistani human rights group as confirmation that he had been tortured. Asma Jehangir, of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said that it was obvious how the information had been obtained. "I don't deduce, I know - torture," she said. "There is simply no doubt about that, no doubt at all."

She said it was difficult to get information on the identities and circumstances of those held. "Gone are the days when you could take at face value what the government was saying." She said often detainees' families were not notified of their whereabouts and they might be provided with lawyers who were close to the government.

Talat Masood, a leading political and security analyst, said that one reason that the Pakistan security services had been able to penetrate organisations planning attacks was that they and the US security services had links with them stretching back to the conflict between Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. At that time, the US and Pakistan backed the same guerrilla groups fighting the Soviet Union.

"They have been using them in the past, there was a very close relationship," he said. He echoed the views of many in Pakistan that if the issues in the Middle East were not addressed, such plots would continue. "All these events today are totally inter-related - Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon," he said. "Until all of those are resolved we can expect more of the same."

Pakistan felt that its commitment to tackling such plots was sometimes not given full credit, he said. "Over 600 Pakistani troops have died in Afghanistan, more than any other country has lost, and 700 top militants handed over and there are 80,000 troops there," he said.

In Kabul, Afghanistan's foreign ministry denied any Afghan connection. "As the recent evidences and ongoing investigations have revealed, al-Qaida continues to enjoy safe haven outside Afghanistan," the ministry said, calling Pakistan's allegation "diversionary".

Afghanistan has long complained that militants are able to hide out on Pakistan's side of the border.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,1844053,00.html

Rashid Rauf, and the murder of his uncle, seems to be the key to this.

freedomfiles - August 14, 2006 07:12 AM (GMT)
Liquid Bomb Pakistan Link Is False Flag Smoking Gun
Veracity of liquid explosives method also put under dubious doubt
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/augus...6liquidbomb.htm


freedomfiles - August 14, 2006 08:56 AM (GMT)
Some contributions by Nico Haupt on Team8Plus :

QUOTE
March 2006: Pakistan had prior knowledge about "Shampoo 8/11"- reported
back in March 2006 on ABC and on Team8+

http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/foru...pic.php?3651.10

Team8Plus wrote about alleged 'shampoo 8/11' ringleader Matiur Rehman already back in March 2006 in our series "Scripting "Terror Soap": Yemen, UAE etc..."

In one report this alleged terror attack against the U.S., here called "Shampoo 8/11"
was already announced:

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/fo...63.10#post_2517

New 2006 Terror Soap No.3:
A new "Al-Quaeda leader" from Pakistan

Pt. 1- the new "terror leader"

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1676096&page=1
March 2, 2006

March 1, 2006 Pakistani officials have told ABC News that they believe they have indications that a new terror attack is being planned there against the United States...

...Pakistani military officials say Matiur Rehman, 29, a Pakistani militant, is behind the new plans for an attack against the United States.Pakistan has posted a 10-million rupee (about $166,000) award for his capture..."

...

Ringleader "suspects" framed for the next follow-up false flag for WW3-5?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireSt...=2307364&page=2
London, Aug. 13

"...While authorities in Pakistan believe they have nabbed the main players in the plot, the official said there are two or three people still at large, including Matiur Rahman, a senior figure in the al-Qaida-linked Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Rahman's name was mentioned by one of the detainees during interrogation...

The 'other' dead Matiur Rahman- inspiration for the name?
Operation '8/20 Blue Bird 2'?

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w...litary_pilot%29

Matiur Rahman (Bangla: ম) or Shaheed M. Matiur Rahman (born February 21, 1945 in Dhaka - died August 20, 1971) was a Flight Lieutenant in the Pakistan Air Force when the Liberation War broke out...

...On August 20, 1971 he attempted to pilot a T-33 trainer from Karachi, Pakistan to India in order to defect from the Pakistan Air Force and join the liberation movement of Bangladesh. The T-33 aircraft was code-named 'Bluebird'. He didn't make it though, as, reportedly, the other pilot Rashid Minhas in the plane forced it to crash.

The plane crashed in Thatta, a place near the Indian border. His body, which was found near the crash site was reportedly buried at the graveyard of fourth class employees at Masroor Air Base, Pakistan..


QUOTE
Troops to the British Airports?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/013a8c2a-2ac0-11db...00779e2340.html
August 13 2006

David Davis, shadow home secretary, on Sunday called for troops to be deployed at airports to help speed up checks on passengers. “BAA is clearly not set up for this level of scrutiny and it does seem to me there is an argument for some resources being put in there, and put in there quickly, to try and rescue as many holidays as we possibly can,” he said...

Other "suspects" framed for the next follow-up false flag?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireSt...=2307364&page=2
London, Aug. 13

"...While authorities in Pakistan believe they have nabbed the main players in the plot, the official said there are two or three people still at large, including Matiur Rahman, a senior figure in the al-Qaida-linked Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. Rahman's name was mentioned by one of the detainees during interrogation...


QUOTE
Suspects had NO tickets or Passports

Source: U.S., U.K. at odds over timing of arrests
British wanted to continue surveillance on terror suspects, official says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452/
Aug. 12, 2006

LONDON - NBC News has learned that U.S. and British authorities had a significant disagreement over when to move in on the suspects in the alleged plot to bring down trans-Atlantic airliners bound for the United States.

A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.

In contrast to previous reports, the official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports...

freedomfiles - August 14, 2006 02:49 PM (GMT)
Some related video clips (haven't really looked whether they contain relevant information as I'm @ work currently, any comments are welcome) :

QUOTE
ROBTV report on economic impact of London terror plot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9p6VsKNYP4

Having watched this story break on many different networks and many different news wires, I have a few comments. Are you feeling patriotic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xw0YhORqaw

Early Coverage of Liquid Terror Treats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn9s-SnwwPE

Liquid Explosives that could have been used in Aircraft Plot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQNU4A0eaHs

Liquid Tragedy Narowly Averted as the US claims to have broken up a UK terrorist ring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emo5CyHdt-I

U.S. and British authorities disagreed on when to break up an alleged plot to blow up airliners bound for the United States, officials say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPloNEasfUQ

The Technological Capabilities of Detecting Liquid Bomb Making Materials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiUzUOsnY0

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff speaks on the UK Liquid Terror Threat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEQ1-QWpjWI

Terror Hits Britain Once Again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVVLM3b7Uw

Terror Plot Updates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsxS1sTpzCE

Countdown - Airport security
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiYulkZqF4M

Politically Convenient Terror Plots?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TC1VOyB2zA

Breaking News: Scotland Yard Foils Major Terrorist Plot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ9fBG4tsN8

Bill O'Reilly discusses August 10th Terror Scare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtQU4wQIIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYwghw1kCwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRXy7CSzAMM

Bridget - August 14, 2006 05:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Media must stay silent on suspects

Press Association
Sunday August 13, 2006 2:13 AM

The Government issued a stern warning to the media not to put the probe into the alleged terror plot at risk by publishing information about suspects.

In a joint statement, Home Secretary John Reid and Attorney General Lord Goldsmith called for "considerable restraint" to avoid prejudicing any future trials.

It singled out the use of photographs and speculation over individuals' links and activities and threatened action over any breaches of the law.

The statement said: "We ask all parties to exercise considerable restraint in the reporting of information relating to the ongoing investigations being undertaken by the police.

"We must avoid the publication of materials which may impede or prejudice the complex and ongoing investigations by the police and avoid the risk of prejudicing potential future legal proceedings or prejudging their outcome.

"This could include speculation or information relating to suspects' connections or other activities, including photographs or details of their background.

"The Contempt of Court Act 1981 strict liability rule applies from the moment of arrest so the rule is now operational and special care must be taken in relation to any person under the age of 18 who is being investigated for an alleged offence." One of those presently in custody is 17 years old.

It warned: "The Attorney General will consider, if and when appropriate, any particular publication which might infringe these requirements."

The politicians said the Government was endeavouring to "strike the balance between the need to provide necessary information to the public and to business whilst avoiding prejudicing ongoing investigations or future proceedings.

"The Attorney General believes that all official statements by government and government agencies have struck that balance correctly," it concluded.

Strange how these same considerations didn't apply before issuing their names photos and addresses, neither was there a similar ban on the July 21st alleged no bombs bombers. Or is this a gagging order?




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