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Over on RAWK there is a poll on who the best manager in the world is... Benitez is winning I know thats somehwat predicatable on Liverpool forum but God they are deluded.

It has become an excuse for some people who blindly follow the manager.

Us as fans are scrutinising the results, they're nowhere near good enough (which is the fault of Rafa, the team and general unhappiness at the club) but at the same time we know he's a good manager and (cringingly (that a real word?)) we tend not to be too fickle when it comes to managers so we'll give him time.

There will be a time though where if it carries on he'll have fans on his back regardless of the owner situation.

I'm still racking my brains to work out how this was a "dive" by Ngog. I know Rafa Benitez has come out and said it wasn't a penalty (I imagine he's said that because there wasn't any clear cut contact)

However, in my opinion, Ngog had three options. 1) Stay on his feet and stay standing in which case Carsley comes in at a force that can be career-threatening. 2) Jump over the incoming challenge, thereby allowing the ball (which you previously had control of before the rash challenge of Carsley) to go out of play and letting the crowd get on your back or 3) Jump out of the challenge and make it shown that Carsley had absolutely no chance of getting the ball and that he has, in fact, put you off your stride.

Of those options, no.2 has to be the most honest. However, that is also the option of a team who goes into a game not wanting to win. I'm absolutely certain that had the shoe been on the other foot a Birmingham player would've dived too.

Ya think?

It was a pure and simple dive. Though you're right in saying 99% of players would dive in that situation.

This post has been edited by Ngog is Boss on Nov 10 2009, 07:20 PM

It has become an excuse for some people who blindly follow the manager.

Us as fans are scrutinising the results, they're nowhere near good enough (which is the fault of Rafa, the team and general unhappiness at the club) but at the same time we know he's a good manager and (cringingly (that a real word?)) we tend not to be too fickle when it comes to managers so we'll give him time.

There will be a time though where if it carries on he'll have fans on his back regardless of the owner situation.

Fair point mate - thinking about it - Liverpool fans have given time to managers in the past.

It was a pure and simple dive. Though you're right in saying 99% of Liverpool players would dive in that situation.

true..at least gerrard is going to have a word with him

Well, although there would be no contact in that case, because you were forced off the ball by another player who failed to get the ball, then you have been fouled. That would make it a penalty in the 18 yard box. I don't know why people seem to assume that there has to be contact before it is a foul/penalty.

Well, although there would be no contact in that case, because you were forced off the ball by another player who failed to get the ball, then you have been fouled. That would make it a penalty in the 18 yard box. I don't know why people seem to assume that there has to be contact before it is a foul/penalty.

Don't the actual rules simply say that there needs to be an "infringement" rather than contact?

Irrelevant in this case as Carsley was nearer Reina than NGog though.

Well, although there would be no contact in that case, because you were forced off the ball by another player who failed to get the ball, then you have been fouled. That would make it a penalty in the 18 yard box. I don't know why people seem to assume that there has to be contact before it is a foul/penalty.

Don't the actual rules simply say that there needs to be an "infringement" rather than contact?

Irrelevant in this case as Carsley was nearer Reina than NGog though.

Here is the rule for free kicks...

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

It then goes on to say that if any of those offences takes place in the goal area, then a penalty should be awarded.

(http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lawsofthegameen.pdf - page 32)

It was a pure and simple dive. Though you're right in saying 99% of players would dive in that situation.

99 out of 100 players would have doen it the hundreth would be Eduardo, tbh

It was a pure and simple dive. Though you're right in saying 99% of players would dive in that situation.

99 out of 100 players would have doen it the hundreth would be Eduardo, tbh

99 out of 100 players say that their cats prefer the taste of bottom.