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Josh - April 10, 2012 07:58 PM (GMT)
.....get steamrolled by the Bammer.

Just curious. If election were tomorrow, who would get your vote? Let's let everyone wherever they may be offer a vote.

Me, Obama.

Best, Josh.

Marlowe - April 10, 2012 10:16 PM (GMT)
Romney.

Joan McCormick - April 11, 2012 08:37 AM (GMT)
I don’t know any of them. All I want is one honest candidate with the guts to do what is right, even though he would not last a week without all hell breaking loose, is that person on the list anywhere? yes I know! I'm bloody dreaming!!


Amena - April 12, 2012 08:08 PM (GMT)
I'd vote Romney.

Maybe he'd restore some constitutional rights, though I highly doubt it.

Obama's been a disaster.

ThomasDF - April 12, 2012 10:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 10 2012, 01:58 PM)
.....get steamrolled by the Bammer.

Just curious. If election were tomorrow, who would get your vote? Let's let everyone wherever they may be offer a vote.

Me, Obama.

Best, Josh.

Interesting how non Americans think they are a part of our political process, especially Canadians. Your vote doesn't mean mean shit. Who you favor doesn't mean shit. Non Americans get so pissed at the US butting into other countries business, yet they feel perfectly free to but into ours.

We are all well aware that of how much you love Obama and fortunately you can't vote for him. When he does win the election (and he will), I really wonder if he will finish his term because he's sure as hell will turn the screws in violating the Constitution. Our first black President could very well be the first President forcibly removed from office. I don't think the next four years are going to be pretty in the US.

Thomas

ThomasDF - April 12, 2012 10:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 12 2012, 02:08 PM)
I'd vote Romney.

Maybe he'd restore some constitutional rights, though I highly doubt it.

Obama's been a disaster.

That really surprised me Amena. You're right though, the Republicans have no interest in restoring Constitutional rights, after all it was the Republicans who instituted this police state.

No one is going to win in this election except the powerful corporations and their cronies in office.

Thomas

Josh - April 13, 2012 12:10 AM (GMT)
Marlowe.....yeah, that figures.
aunty Joan......well, there's Romney and Obama.....but fair enough.
Amena.......a disaster? how?
Tom.....usual screwy response, and no answer to my question. No surprise.

Best, Josh.

ThomasDF - April 13, 2012 01:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 12 2012, 06:10 PM)
Marlowe.....yeah, that figures.
aunty Joan......well, there's Romney and Obama.....but fair enough.
Amena.......a disaster? how?
Tom.....usual screwy response, and no answer to my question. No surprise.

Best, Josh.

Do I get an N/C or an "F"? I should at least get a D- for answering.

A screwy question deserves a screwy response, see how that works?

I know I sound crazy sometimes, maybe even most of the time, but you know what they say, "when in Rome...".

Thomas

Amena - April 13, 2012 03:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 12 2012, 06:10 PM)
Marlowe.....yeah, that figures.
aunty Joan......well, there's Romney and Obama.....but fair enough.
Amena.......a disaster? how?
Tom.....usual screwy response, and no answer to my question. No surprise.

Best, Josh.

Obama has been a disaster because he has single handedly ruined international relations even worse than Bush with all his drone strikes. Or he's just carried on Bush policy.

I mean at least Muller had the decency to quit when Bush installed surveillance of email correspondence. And tommy's right in one thing, Obama's turned it into a police state, cheerleaders like you just haven't noticed because right now he's trampling the rights of guys you don't like.

He's trampled on the constitution and he should have known better, because he's a constitutional lawyer.

He scares me more than anyone else!

He's had his kick at the can, let's see what Romney does.

Fact is though I think Romney's an idiot, so either way, it doesn't look good.

ThomasDF - April 13, 2012 04:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 12 2012, 09:36 PM)
Obama has been a disaster because he has single handedly ruined international relations even worse than Bush with all his drone strikes. Or he's just carried on Bush policy.

I mean at least Muller had the decency to quit when Bush installed surveillance of email correspondence. And tommy's right in one thing, Obama's turned it into a police state, cheerleaders like you just haven't noticed because right now he's trampling the rights of guys you don't like.

He's trampled on the constitution and he should have known better, because he's a constitutional lawyer.

He scares me more than anyone else!

He's had his kick at the can, let's see what Romney does.

Fact is though I think Romney's an idiot, so either way, it doesn't look good.

By guys you don't like, you mean Muslims and you are partly right. Muslims are safe targets because they know the general population isn't going to object because Americans have become gullible idiots who believe all that nonsense of terrorist threats AND they have come enjoy living in their gilded cages. How's that for a run-on sentence? It only takes two brain cells firing to see that Muslims are no real threat. Sure, they're a pain in ass who get over excited easily, but that's about all.

The thing is the vast majority of Constitutional violations are committed against the most innocent of Americans, including children and disable old people. Now that Americans have gotten use to having their abused and being too cowardly to get pissed off about it, those violations are extending to America militias. The Michigan Militia (one of the largest and most active) has been framed and in the sloppiest way. Even some of the self appointed Minutemen have come under legal attack. There are tens of thousands of violations going on a daily basis, but we don't hear much about them. So it's not just Muslims who are targeted. They leave me alone because, as everyone knows, Thomas is as crazy as they come. You see, being crazy has it's benefits.

Obama is getting remarkably cocky because there is no serious objection to what he's doing. I only hope that his arrogance will be his downfall. Even a bird in gilded cage can get scared and escape flying frantically all over the place. One gigantic blunder is that Obama has alienated the military. He thinks they will obey their "Commander in Chief" no matter what he orders. If he misuses the military domestically, game over.

I'm beginning to think that Obama serving a second term may just be the perfect thing to wake up the American people because I'm convinced he'll cross the line big time.

Thomas

Josh - April 13, 2012 08:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 12 2012, 09:36 PM)

Obama has been a disaster because he has single handedly ruined international relations even worse than Bush with all his drone strikes. Or he's just carried on Bush policy.

Oh, I get it. He's been a disaster because he's still after your Muslim terrorist buddies. I guess you're probably not too pleased at how the garbage bin was taken out, either, especially since your native Pakistan was hiding him.

I suppose this also was predictable, Amena, but I admit I didn't predict the word 'disaster' by you. My mistake.

Best, Josh.

Josh - April 13, 2012 08:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThomasDF @ Apr 12 2012, 07:12 PM)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 12 2012, 06:10 PM)
Marlowe.....yeah, that figures.
aunty Joan......well, there's Romney and Obama.....but fair enough.
Amena.......a disaster? how?
Tom.....usual screwy response, and no answer to my question. No surprise.

Best, Josh.

Do I get an N/C or an "F"? I should at least get a D- for answering.

A screwy question deserves a screwy response, see how that works?

I know I sound crazy sometimes, maybe even most of the time, but you know what they say, "when in Rome...".

Thomas

You're right, Tom. You get a 'D'........for Dufus! A D- would have been for Dumbass, so maybe you're making progress. ;)

Best, Josh.

Marlowe - April 13, 2012 11:23 AM (GMT)
Speaking of crazy, we open the door for the C,adians to vote and still no Bama steamroller! Maybe they aren't so nuts after all.

ThomasDF - April 13, 2012 12:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 13 2012, 02:32 AM)
You're right, Tom. You get a 'D'........for Dufus! A D- would have been for Dumbass, so maybe you're making progress. ;)

Best, Josh.

I see you're in the spirit of this election. I wonder if Obama is going to use this alphabet game, it fits his mentality. The difference between you and I Josh is that I know I'm a dufus. The 1st Amendment gives me the right to be a dufus and I exercise that right with reckless abandon. It keeps me insane and the only way to survive an insane world is to embrace it. The only way to keep your individuality is to create your own insanity refusing to yield to the required type of insanity.

Idi Amin Dada, I mean Obama (I'm always getting the two mixed up) will win the election because all but a few dufus' like me worship the ground he shits on. He is our beloved leader after all. Maybe he'll be a really great father of our country and get rid of that pesky rule of only two terms and we can use African countries as our role model for a better America. It is such a privilege to be insane at this particular point in history.

Thomas

Amena - April 13, 2012 08:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 13 2012, 02:29 AM)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 12 2012, 09:36 PM)

Obama has been a disaster because he has single handedly ruined international relations even worse than Bush with all his drone strikes. Or he's just carried on Bush policy.

Oh, I get it. He's been a disaster because he's still after your Muslim terrorist buddies. I guess you're probably not too pleased at how the garbage bin was taken out, either, especially since your native Pakistan was hiding him.

I suppose this also was predictable, Amena, but I admit I didn't predict the word 'disaster' by you. My mistake.

Best, Josh.

Going into a sovereign territory and taking out bin Laden without informing the Pakistani authorities was not correct--but doesn't bother me that much.

On the scale of things that Obama has done, it's low ball.

What bothers me most is the taking out of an American citizen, Anwar Al-Awlaki by drone strike without even a trial in absentia that really bothers me.

And the grander scale of surveillance he's instituted that makes Bush's transgressions pale in comparison.

And really his hands have been tied. He hasn't accomplished anything in his four years! Even his Obamacare doesn't look like it'll survive, so what has the goon actually done???

That's the disaster!

Josh - April 13, 2012 11:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 13 2012, 02:16 PM)
..... what has the goon actually done???


What he's actually done is save the US economy from a depression, and thereby has saved the world to a large extent from the same catastrophe. What he's also done is take out bin Laden in record time, something that Bush was unable to do. What he's also done is thrash out a healthcare plan that US presidents for the past 60 years have been unable or unwilling to even attempt. Whether or not it makes it all the way into a fait accompli has less to do with Obama as the willingness of a stacked House and a stacked judiciary to make it happen.

Obama is a fair game player. He has handled a time of catastrophe without barely blinking an eye. The man has brains, guts, and ethics. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, which is after all all I asked for. Allow me to say, however, in my opinion this has less to do with how well Obama has performed as a president of the USA as how he has gone after Muslims. When you get to the bottom line, Amena, this is by far your greatest interest.

Best, Josh.

Marlowe - April 14, 2012 02:58 AM (GMT)
Josh, now you quit that. You know it's not fair to speak the truth so blatantly.

Amena - April 14, 2012 03:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 13 2012, 05:49 PM)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 13 2012, 02:16 PM)
..... what has the goon actually done???


What he's actually done is save the US economy from a depression, and thereby has saved the world to a large extent from the same catastrophe. What he's also done is take out bin Laden in record time, something that Bush was unable to do. What he's also done is thrash out a healthcare plan that US presidents for the past 60 years have been unable or unwilling to even attempt. Whether or not it makes it all the way into a fait accompli has less to do with Obama as the willingness of a stacked House and a stacked judiciary to make it happen.

Obama is a fair game player. He has handled a time of catastrophe without barely blinking an eye. The man has brains, guts, and ethics. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, which is after all all I asked for. Allow me to say, however, in my opinion this has less to do with how well Obama has performed as a president of the USA as how he has gone after Muslims. When you get to the bottom line, Amena, this is by far your greatest interest.

Best, Josh.

You think he's saved the U.S. economy???

It's not out of the woods yet!

And with their level of debt, and all the infighting and all the homelessness, I really don't see such a positive prognosis.

What are you talking about taking out bin Laden in record time???

You're really grasping!

It took more than ten years to catch him, and much of the foundation of the work that got him was done by Bush. Not surprised that Obama wants to take the credit just because he was caught under his watch.

The reason why Obamacare is so unpopular is because apparently the whole thing stinks of a shady deal. I have to confess I'm less clear on that, but from what I understand it's not so much universal healthcare that Americans balk at but the way it was arrived at and how it's going to cost more than if it was privatized.

But again, that's no victory.

Every campaign promise he made doesn't he doesn't seem to have delivered on.

Didn't close Guantanamo bay, quagmire in Aghanistan, troops out of Iraq--yes, that's done, but with all the mess across Middle East with the Arab spring, which I actually believe has a lot to do with the wikileaks revelations...Obama has basically left the world a less stable place.

Those are no credentials for reelection.

Not that I think Romney will do any better.

In fact, quite frankly, it doesn't look good for America no matter who gets in.

Josh - April 18, 2012 12:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Amena @ Apr 13 2012, 09:40 PM)
Every campaign promise he made doesn't he doesn't seem to have delivered on.

I really don't think you know what you're talking about, Amena. For example, you say it took 10 years to get bin Laden and Bush did all the legwork. That's about as far from reality as you can get.

Courier link

You will note in the link above that US intelligence started tracking a courier to bin Laden in 2009. In 2010, they got him. They had known about this courier in 2007, under Bush's watch, during which nada was done.

In other words, it took Bush 8 years not to get bin Laden. It took Obama 2 to get him. And it was Obama's decision to go after him covertly, another smart move by The Man. You will note slimy Pakistan was not informed of the impending raid.

No, I totally acknowledge your voting opinion, but when you say things like Obama 'tried to take credit' for work done by Bush, you're using your Islamic prejudices, not your intelligence. And, by the way, Guantanamo was key to extracting the information in the first place.

Best, Josh.

ThomasDF - April 18, 2012 03:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 18 2012, 06:58 AM)
I really don't think you know what you're talking about, Amena. For example, you say it took 10 years to get bin Laden and Bush did all the legwork. That's about as far from reality as you can get.

Courier link

You will note in the link above that US intelligence started tracking a courier to bin Laden in 2009. In 2010, they got him. They had known about this courier in 2007, under Bush's watch, during which nada was done.

In other words, it took Bush 8 years not to get bin Laden. It took Obama 2 to get him. And it was Obama's decision to go after him covertly, another smart move by The Man. You will note slimy Pakistan was not informed of the impending raid.

No, I totally acknowledge your voting opinion, but when you say things like Obama 'tried to take credit' for work done by Bush, you're using your Islamic prejudices, not your intelligence. And, by the way, Guantanamo was key to extracting the information in the first place.

Best, Josh.

Christ, Josh you have the audacity to tell Amena what she believes is far from reality? Giving Obama or even Bush credit is as stupid as you can get. The only ones who deserve the credit are those who did the intelligence and carried out the mission. Giving people who safely eat chef prepared meals everyday is idiotic. What an amazingly dumb argument.

Thomas

Steerpike - April 19, 2012 02:52 AM (GMT)
CNN conglomeration of polls today showed a statistical tie. But November is a long way off.

Josh - April 19, 2012 10:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThomasDF @ Apr 18 2012, 09:18 AM)

Giving Obama or even Bush credit is as stupid as you can get. The only ones who deserve the credit are those who did the intelligence and carried out the mission. Giving people who safely eat chef prepared meals everyday is idiotic. What an amazingly dumb argument.


So, Einstein, in your opinion therefore it's not really Obama who's responsible for any of the grief in America you keep griping about, it's his worker bees. Patton is squirming in his grave.

Best, Josh.

ThomasDF - April 19, 2012 02:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 19 2012, 04:11 AM)
QUOTE (ThomasDF @ Apr 18 2012, 09:18 AM)

Giving Obama or even Bush credit is as stupid as you can get. The only ones who deserve the credit are those who did the intelligence and carried out the mission. Giving people who safely eat chef prepared meals everyday is idiotic. What an amazingly dumb argument.


So, Einstein, in your opinion therefore it's not really Obama who's responsible for any of the grief in America you keep griping about, it's his worker bees. Patton is squirming in his grave.

Best, Josh.

I admit to saying some dumb stuff, but I've never come anywhere close to that statement. Comparing one specific thing to a multitude of general things is way beyond stupid. Obviously Obama is not solely responsible for all the damage done while in office. Being an early victim of the beginning of this "Brave New World", I don't expect you to understand.

Thomas

Josh - April 20, 2012 06:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThomasDF @ Apr 19 2012, 08:51 AM)
QUOTE (Josh @ Apr 19 2012, 04:11 AM)
QUOTE (ThomasDF @ Apr 18 2012, 09:18 AM)

Giving Obama or even Bush credit is as stupid as you can get. The only ones who deserve the credit are those who did the intelligence and carried out the mission. Giving people who safely eat chef prepared meals everyday is idiotic. What an amazingly dumb argument.


So, Einstein, in your opinion therefore it's not really Obama who's responsible for any of the grief in America you keep griping about, it's his worker bees. Patton is squirming in his grave.

Best, Josh.

I admit to saying some dumb stuff, but I've never come anywhere close to that statement. Comparing one specific thing to a multitude of general things is way beyond stupid. Obviously Obama is not solely responsible for all the damage done while in office. Being an early victim of the beginning of this "Brave New World", I don't expect you to understand.

Thomas

Well, you're the brilliant one who said, and I quote, "The only ones who deserve the credit are those who did the intelligence and carried out the mission." I'd have to assume that kind of logic extends to all other scenarios as well. Otherwise, it makes no sense...not that it makes sense in the first place.

Best, Josh.

Steerpike - April 21, 2012 12:29 AM (GMT)
His hands weren't tied the first two years, and he was still ineffective. To get the health care through they had to push it in spite of public opposition and with their party leadership leaning on members to hurry it up before too much of it became public and opposition continued to build.




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