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dennisjr
Posted: Nov 5 2009, 10:39 PM


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Twelve shot dead at US army base
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Twelve people have been killed and 31 injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas, the commander there has said.


First off, my heartfelt condolences and prayers are being extended to the families affected..

Second, I thought the U.S. Army Post would have enough security to prevent
guns from civilians from entering the post?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm


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Posted: Nov 5 2009, 11:21 PM


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The shooter was a Major in the US Army, and worked as a psychologist.... Rumors also that he was upset about being depoloyed to Iraq. So as a doctor, who would see no combat, he goes on a shooting spree because he doesn't agree with US policy. PS, yes, he has a muslim sounding name. At this point the reports are that it's unsure of whether he's a convert or not.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 01:31 AM


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QUOTE (steve @ Nov 5 2009, 11:21 PM)
The shooter was a Major in the US Army, and worked as a psychologist.... Rumors also that he was upset about being depoloyed to Iraq. So as a doctor, who would see no combat, he goes on a shooting spree because he doesn't agree with US policy. PS, yes, he has a muslim sounding name. At this point the reports are that it's unsure of whether he's a convert or not.

Latest reports are that the shooter was a Muslim and that he opposed our involvement in "Islamic Land" but it seems he singled out specific people to shoot. This was not a random event.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 01:43 AM


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Given that he used a pistol (that is my understanding) and not a machine gun or automatic rifle, I'd call this more targeting certain people and not an attempt to kill as many people as possible. Having said that, there are still 30 or so people who were injured so I guess you can do a lot of damage with a handgun and don't need an AK-47. The scary part to me is that he was a psychologist screening people for deployment. Who screens the screeners......


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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM


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The shooter is a very mentally ill man. The irony is not lost on me. One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.


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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 05:08 AM


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QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

To attack the largest US military base in the world I doubt he anticipated to walk out alive. A rude awakening awaits him when he opens his eyes and sees himself strapped to his hospital bed rather than in heaven.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM


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QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man. The irony is not lost on me. One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.


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QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.


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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 01:54 PM


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QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.

OK...I'll agree


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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 01:59 PM


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QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.

Dont forget not all "murder" is what you generally consider to be murder. Jack Kevorkian committed murder, but you know his motives were good, yet it was still murder.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 02:03 PM


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QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.

OK...I'll agree

"Several Media Outlets and commentators are stunned at Obama's lack of sensitivity at the Ft. Hood Shooting.
"Instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and, inappropriately light president making introductory remarks at the Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow". THREE MINUTES in, the president spoke about the shooting. Who is advising him?
Anyone aware of this major news story was stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.

An argument is now made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event."

Obama screwed the pooch on this one and confirmed to critics that he is a closet Muslim.




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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 02:44 PM


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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=120138496

He had been suspended for proseltyzing patients about islam.
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Posted: Nov 6 2009, 02:50 PM


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Curious, will he be charged with a hate crime or since only whites can commit hate crimes, he's not elligible, right?
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QUOTE (steve @ Nov 6 2009, 01:59 PM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.

Dont forget not all "murder" is what you generally consider to be murder. Jack Kevorkian committed murder, but you know his motives were good, yet it was still murder.

I'm really sorry I expressed my opinion on this, because in this thread it's wrong.


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QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 03:10 PM)
QUOTE (steve @ Nov 6 2009, 01:59 PM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE (Dan @ Nov 6 2009, 11:23 AM)
QUOTE (Julie @ Nov 6 2009, 04:15 AM)
The shooter is a very mentally ill man.  The irony is not lost on me.  One thing this man did not consider was that he committed his crimes in a hanging state.

Just how did you come to that conclusion?

I believe he had an agenda and a specific target list as it is reported hat he did NOT spray rounds but was specific in his shooting.

CNN & MSNBC also reported that he was a muslim and was against the war.

Dan, anyone who commits murder, especially mass murder in my opinion is mentally ill. You stated your opinion on this, I am stating mine.

Dont forget not all "murder" is what you generally consider to be murder. Jack Kevorkian committed murder, but you know his motives were good, yet it was still murder.

I'm really sorry I expressed my opinion on this, because in this thread it's wrong.

Its not wrong Julie it is your opinion and people have a right to disagree or propose alternate opinions.


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