Glaciers disappearing from Kilimanjaro

Maybe the truth is starting to get out:

[QUOTEHacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute

By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.

The e-mail messages, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics, and casual comments — in some cases derisive — about specific people known for their skeptical views. Drafts of scientific papers and a photo collage that portrays climate skeptics on an ice floe were also among the hacked data, some of which dates back 13 years.

In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as “idiots.”[/QUOTE]

a personal attack on Al Gore does not refute the science he used from NASA to back his claims.
a few leaked emails does not change the fact the fact of rapidly melting ice.

you can still show no published science to back your climate change denial.

maybe you should let your 9yo nephew have a go

It's nearing the end of November, and we still have 16 degrees Celsius outside, that's pretty warm. When I flew to Canada this summer, I saw very little ice and only a few icebergs floating as we approached the mainland, as opposed to previous trips where the landscape looked pretty white to me. We've had a slug plague 2 years ago with slugs that come from Spain, but find it quite warm enough to live comfortably in Belgium. Belgium has an above average ratio of maternal twin births, which is probably due to contaminations in the water.

These are facts; I don't need scientists to convince me that our environment has a problem.

Kathi,
I understand your point but one cannot draw statistical conclusions from an anecdotal observation.

In science we take data over a time period to support or start to support a hypothesis.

No one can say with any certainty what is going on. Certainly no one can be so arrogant to believe that humans, and Americans in particular, are changing the climate of the world.
There is simply not enough data so the only avenue open to us as we continue to investigate and gather facts is to use natural resources in a more judicious manner. For instance, it sounds counter-intuitive but a full freezer uses LESS energy than one half full. In my world as I live in an area prone to natural disasters. You can live for 2 weeks without food but 48 hours without water on average. I filled half my freezer with water that has now frozen and will be cold for a long time after we have lost power.
My yard gets irrigated with "gray" water and we were able to cut energy consumption by almost 1/4.
Still I have lots to do yet as I think we all can conserve more and believe me I am no tree hugger.

Kathi,
I understand your point but one cannot draw statistical conclusions from an anecdotal observation.

In science we take data over a time period to support or start to support a hypothesis.

No one can say with any certainty what is going on. Certainly no one can be so arrogant to believe that humans, and Americans in particular, are changing the climate of the world.
There is simply not enough data so the only avenue open to us as we continue to investigate and gather facts is to use natural resources in a more judicious manner. For instance, it sounds counter-intuitive but a full freezer uses LESS energy than one half full. In my world as I live in an area prone to natural disasters. You can live for 2 weeks without food but 48 hours without water on average. I filled half my freezer with water that has now frozen and will be cold for a long time after we have lost power.
My yard gets irrigated with "gray" water and we were able to cut energy consumption by almost 1/4.
Still I have lots to do yet as I think we all can conserve more and believe me I am no tree hugger.

the issue is that plenty of folks talk big and do little.

i said it repetativly, I care about the enviroment i am living in, which contributes to global change, but some do not want to understand this point

we??? :lol:
have you been holding back on us Dan?

Julie
a place in Britain has just recorded their worst floods ever (in Cockermouth, love the name) and they have been keeping records for a fair while, meanwhile, the state Victoria in Australia has just recorded its hottest temperatures in November ever.

The reason climatologists think its man made is because there has been no other natural phenomena to explain the unprecedented rapid rise in temperature other than the Greenhouse Effect. When all data including solar activity and our orbit around the sun etc., collected over the last hundred years is fed into computer modeling, the Greenhouse Effect is the only factor which explains it. There has been no other known increased contributor to the Effect other than human activity.

we??? :lol:
have you been holding back on us Dan?

Julie
a place in Britain has just recorded their worst floods ever (in Cockermouth, love the name) and they have been keeping records for a fair while, meanwhile, the state Victoria in Australia has just recorded its hottest temperatures in November ever.

The reason climatologists think its man made is because there has been no other natural phenomena to explain the unprecedented rapid rise in temperature other than the Greenhouse Effect. When all data including solar activity and our orbit around the sun etc., collected over the last hundred years is fed into computer modeling, the Greenhouse Effect is the only factor which explains it. There has been no other known increased contributor to the Effect other than human activity.

these are isolated events and cannot be taken as evidence. evidence is based on a sustained observation, such as eg, increasing oceanic temperatures, shift of hardiness zones etc.

we had the coldest first two weeks in in november. does that show we have cooling? certainly not.

Rick the news is out that global warming, climate chage hysteria or whatever is all BULLSHIT.
Al Gore made $237 MILLION making an ass out of you and other gullible chicken littles.
Gore spends $30,000/month on energy expenses burning as much fossil fuels as he can.....that is HIS settled science.

I wonder what the next hysteria will get your panties in a bunch?

Jens,
surprisingly enough, I agree.

Dan
Personal attacks on Al Gore does not refute the NASA science that he bases his presentations on.

So lets see a bit of science in the "news" that proves its bullshit. Why is that so hard for you to do. SHOW US THE SCIENCE.

Rick the junk science has been exposed. The curtain has been pulled back to reveal the Global Warming myth and the "scientists" that conspired together.
You are supporting a myth.

You also gave me a good laugh as Al Gore became green with envy such that he picked the pockets of you gullible hysterical people. He DID make $237 Million part of which came from your wallet.

Now..... lets talk about this bridge I have in Brooklyn that I can show you clear title to. I hate to sell it but I can give you a good deal on it and...... by buying this bridge from me you will see to it that Helium 3 produced in the Sun's thermonuclear fusion is collected and put to good use preserving the special balance of the universe.

I am thinking of using that guy who plays the Sun on the Jimmy Dean sausage commercial as ur mascot. He is much more lovable than a Polar Bear.

that is all very nice Dan but you to continue to GIVE NO EVIDENCE.
either what you say is true and you can back it up with SOMETHING, ANYTHING? I'm getting kind of desperate for something from you other than caca. Its time to show me the goods or admit defeat. Where the the "junk science expose' you are talking about so I can see what you are on about. Must be an OPINION in BIG COAL MONTHLY or BIG OIL TIMES. ;)

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