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galraen	Posted: Jun 30 2010, 08:56 AM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,175 Member No.: 1 Joined: 14-December 08	Marlins to keep Edwin Rodriguez as manager through '10 The Marlins announced today that interim manager Edwin Rodriguez will remain as the teams manager for the rest of the 2010 season. This is probably the best move for the team. "At the end of the year we'll re-evaluate things," Loria said in the press box during the game. "What will always be my first and foremost concern are the players. I thought the continuity ... was the most important thing we could do. Edwin's going to be their manager. The coaches will continue that are in place. Continuity's important." Not only are the Marlins avoiding the public eye by sticking with Rodriguez, instead of the potential spectacle that Bobby Valentine would have brought by joining the Marlins midseason. The Marlins came in to Tuesday with a 36-40 record, 8 1/2 games behind the Braves.

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 12 2011, 11:53 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	Another loss sees us back to .500 for the 1st time since early April, Its been a terrible run, 3-14 in our last 17 games and all this is coming after we swept the Giants in there own ballpark. The offence has gone into an almighty sliump and changing the hitting coach hasn't helped much over the past 4 games. We are missing Hanley who could be back Tuesday, he may have terrible numbers on the season but he was the leader of a young bunch and without him we've looked lost. The pitching has gone away and Vazquez just out and out stinks

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 14 2011, 06:38 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	Yay we have hit the road, a 1-10 homestand has to be a record worst, the pitching has gone to pieces and the offence is struggling and when they do score runs the pitching gives up even more, Philadelphia up next, 2 weeks ago it looked like a battle for the division lead but now we are below .500 and fighting with the Mets and Nats to stay out of the basement, Hanley is back tonight and should hit leadoff. See if things turn around

galraen	Posted: Jun 14 2011, 06:56 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,175 Member No.: 1 Joined: 14-December 08	Cheer up Lee, at least once you get past the Rays you have 9 easy wins on the trot in interleague play!

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 15 2011, 08:38 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	The Losing continues, lost last night got a hammering earlier on in game 1 of a double header, we did start Villanueva who we called up from the minors to make the spot start due to the Double header. We are 1-12 in June, 3-16 since May 27th, hard to believe we actually had the wildcard lead and 3rd best record in baseball just 3 weeks ago now we are behind the Mets and obly 1 game ahead of the Nats. Just a total collapse, Edwin must be fearing the boot soon if things don;t turn around quickly

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 16 2011, 07:31 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	Our slide continues as we hit the basement of the East after a 0-3 loss to the Phillies 1-15 In June now, what is the worst record in a Month by a team? we must be closing on breaking it if this continues Vazquez pitched better, well he couldn't get much worse but could only last 5 innings. Serious problems with this team right now.

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QUOTE (Leemarlin87 @ Jun 15 2011, 09:38 PM)

Just a total collapse, Edwin must be fearing the boot soon if things don;t turn around quickly

You're welcome to Guill�n either now, or in 2012.

How about that trade again!?

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Posted: Jun 19 2011, 06:30 PM

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Edwin hss gone, he resigned this morning in a case of walked before he was pushed

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The Marlins carried a 32-39 record into Sunday's series finale with the Rays and are in the midst of one of the most stressful stretches in club history. They've dropped a season-high nine in a row, and are 1-17 in June. The freefall came after the team was 29-19 on May 26

Just a terrible run that has seen a number of things go wrong

He leaves with a 78-85 record overall in his tenure as our manager, I liked him and he seemed a nice guy and before the stretch he had a very good record as manger of us but something had to give and with the hitting coach gone and still no improvement the next step has to be the manager.

Bo porter seems to be a hot candidate to take over, he interviewed for the job last time and is currently a coach in Washington so will have to work something out with them if we do indeed go that route.

Hopefully get sorted sooner rather then later, Ozzie is interesting but I wouldn't in a million years trade Morrison for him as was rumored late last year.

Chris Coghlan also got sent down on Friday and Dewayne Wise was called up from the Minors as impressing in spring before getting the niggling injury that slowed him down. Coghlan has really been struggling lately so he is sent down to work on a few things and hopefully get sorted out and return soon

Interesting times ahead for us

Tijani	Posted: Jun 19 2011, 06:33 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,961 Member No.: 9 Joined: 13-September 09	It's just typical that he leaves just before we are due to play the Marlins! Jack McKeon is another possible candidate for the job.

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 19 2011, 06:43 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	Yeah I read Old Jack is in the mix but I just can't see it. Now I love the guy and will forever be a Marlins legend and our greatest Manager in my eyes but he is 80 now, surely that is too old to return to the dugout when he retired in 2005. He is still a consultant with the team and does know some of the young players having helped draft and scout them ETC as part of his current job but I would be amazed if he got the job, If he did it would surely only be till the end of the year when we would go after Ozzie Guillen who was part of Jacks staff as 3rd base coach in 03 when we won the WS.

galraen	Posted: Jun 19 2011, 07:07 PM
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 2,175 Member No.: 1 Joined: 14-December 08	Don't you move into your new stadium next year Lee? If so the last thing you want is to be heading into the new digs off the back of a terrible season. What's gone down certainly makes firing Fredi last year even more stupid than most of us thought at the time.

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QUOTE (galraen @ Jun 19 2011, 08:07 PM)

Don't you move into your new stadium next year Lee? If so the last thing you want is to be heading into the new digs off the back of a terrible season. What's gone down certainly makes firing Fredi last year even more stupid than most of us thought at the time.

Yeah we do move in to the new stadium next year so obviously now isn't the best of the times to have our worst run in 13 years.

I still don't know why we got rid of Fredi, most sources say it was either Fredi or Hanley as they just didn't get on and Loria choose his star player over the coach.

Funnily enough Hanley has been downright crap with the bat since, so the move hasn't helped Hanley out 1 bit, he did his best hitting with Fredi and won a batting title when he was in charge.

But then again we shouldn't of fired Giradi either after he won MOTY but Loria got his own way there as well despite it not being best for the team.

Leemarlin87	Posted: Jun 20 2011, 07:34 PM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,835 Member No.: 4 Joined: 14-December 08	Its Almost official, Jack McKeon is to be our Interim Manager probably till the end of the season and we will have a new one in place for the new stadium. I didn't think it would happen given his age, he is 80 now but I'm not complaining. Guy is a Marlins and will always be my favourate manager as I said yesterday, Lets see if he can work his magic again like in 03. I'm just hoping he can guide us back to a winning record and some respectability and end this god damn losing run. WELCOME BACK JACK

Tijani	Posted: Jun 21 2011, 01:08 AM
Hall of Famer Group: Admin Posts: 1,961 Member No.: 9 Joined: 13-September 09	Could you not have waited until our series was over before appointing a new manager? I hate playing teams when they have a new manger. I actually like this appointment and he should get the Marlins sorted out.

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Posted: Jun 21 2011, 02:02 PM

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I thought the following article in Baseball Prospectus might interest you.

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The BP Broadside

Firing the Manager is the Last Refuge of the Incompetent�
by Steven Goldman�

Since 1996, when Rene Lachemann, the franchise�s first manager, was let go, the Marlins have had 10 managers, not counting one-game interim skipper Cookie Rojas, and considering John Boles� two stints, separated by three years, as distinct administrations. Now they will be moving on to number 11. With today�s resignation of Edwin Rodriguez, the Jeff Loria ownership will be on its sixth manager.�

Since winning the 2003 World Series (aided and abetted by spectacularly inept in-game managing by the Yankees� Joe Torre), the Fish have gone 598-606 (.497). Their high in wins in those years was 87, their low 71. Their average record in that period was 81-81, and they finished third four times in seven years. In short, no matter whom the Marlins have had as their manager, there hasn�t been a lot of movement.�

The reasons for that are as simple as the penurious decisions made by the front office, not the managers. Once Miguel Cabrera, one of the great young hitters of his generation, was traded after his age-24 seasons for a big bucket of parts the Marlins never got any use out of, they didn�t bother to find another third baseman, marking time with Jorge Cantu, Emilio Bonifacio, Wes Helms, and Greg Dobbs. They haven�t had a center fielder of note since Devon White; when Juan Pierre, Preston Wilson, and Cody Ross stand out as highlights among the Reggie Abercrombies and Alfredo Amezagas, you know you�re not trying. First base was thrown away on the extremely limited Mike Jacobs and Cantu until Gabby Sanchez came along. Catcher has been even worse, with the latest mistake being to sign journeyman John Buck off of a so-so career year.

On the pitching side, Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez (when healthy) have developed into reliable performers, but other hurlers, from Ricky Nolasco to Dontrelle Willis, Chris Volstad, and Scott Olsen, had moments in which they flirted with stardom only to give back their progress and never find consistency. That, perhaps, can be pinned on the various coaching staffs, but then again, maybe that is ownership too�Yahoo�s Jeff Passan reported this week that, �[team president David] Samson would approach struggling young players and threaten a trip to the minor leagues if they didn�t start playing better.� The line between major-league success and failure may be as thin as knowing that the owner�s nepotistic pick for president has drawn a target on your back.�

This season, ownership has seemingly been more interested in gagging outfielder Logan Morrison than in its performance on the field. Heaven forbid that Morrison draw some attention to a team that is last in the National League in attendance, as it has been every year since 2005. Oscar Wilde said that the only thing worse than being talked about was not being talked about. The Marlins are the all-time leader in that latter category. For all their own attendance problems, the Rays get far better press.�

None of this is to say that Edwin Rodriguez is John McGraw or that the Fish haven�t been in a miserable tailspin. Going back to the last time they won consecutive games, May 24-26, they are a jaw-dropping 3-20 with a 5.83 RA and .234/.301/.363 rates. Though they have played against good teams in that time, the record is still pathetic. The question is, what is the manager supposed to do about a team that has had Hanley Ramirez hurt and ineffective, that has seen both Morrison and Mike Stanton miss time to injuries, that traded for Omar Infante, that has had to play Bonifacio every day, and expected Javier Vazquez and Leo Nunez to play major roles on the pitching staff? What do Loria and Samson know about fixing this team that Rodriguez does not?�

A look back at teams that have changed managers in-season shows that very few of them experience big turnarounds. Sure, there is a Bob Lemon here and a Buck Showalter there, but these are few and far between. Most of them just go on being miserable. Given the degree to which the Marlins had shut it down this month, perhaps letting Rodriguez go was necessary, yet given the Loria-Samson track record the move should be viewed with a jaundiced eye. After all, they have had so many managers and so many similar records. The skippers change, the players change, but ownership stays the same. Rodriguez may have been guilty of a transient losing streak, but he is hardly the author of the big-picture problems that plague the Marlins.

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