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 Annual awards
galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 12:24 PM


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Lee usually runs these, and presumably will do so again. Thought I'd kick off the discussion by looking at the contenders.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 12:39 PM


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First the AL MVP candidates, the top 12 I'd say where the following:

Name - Team -BA - OBP -SLG - OPS

Miguel Cabrera DET .344 - .448 - .586 - 1.033
Adrian Gonzalez BOS .338 - .410 - .548 - .957
Michael Young TEX .338 - .380 - .474 - .854
Victor Martinez DET .330 - .380 - .470 - .850
Jacoby Ellsbury BOS .321 - .376 - .552 - .928
David Ortiz BOS .309 - .398 - .554 - .953
Dustin Pedroia BOS .307 - .387 - .474 - .861
Casey Kotchman TB .306 - .378 - .422 - .800
Melky Cabrera KC .305 - .339 - .470 - .809
Alex Gordon KC .303 - .376 - .502 - .879
Jose Bautista TOR .302 - .447 - .608 - 1.056
Robinson Cano NYY .302 - .349 - .533 - .882

Two Royals in there, which underlines the fact that they have a good core to build around; the number or Redsox in the list underlines how badly their pitching let them down, but for me right now I'd go for Michael Young, he really carried his team a lot.

Justin Verlander and Jered Weaver certainly shuld be in the mix too though.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 12:55 PM


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NL top ten. I ranked these by OPS, probably should have done the same for the AL, but I'm too lazy to change it now.

Ryan Braun MIL .332 - .397 - .597 - .994
Matt Kemp LAD .324 - .399 - .586 - .986
Prince Fielder MIL .299 - .415 - .566 - .981
Lance Berkman STL .301 - .412 - .547 - .959
Joey Votto CIN .309 - .416 - .531 - .947
Troy Tulowitzki COL .302. - 372. - 544. - 916
Matt Holliday STL .296. - 388. - 525 - .912
Michael Morse WSH .303 - .360 - .550 - .910
Carlos Beltran NYM/SF .300 - .385 - .525 - .910
Albert Pujols STL .299 - .366 - .541 - .906

Not sure who I'll go for here, Calyton Kershaw is also a candidate, but like Verlander, he'll almost certainly end up with the Cy Young (I'll do that tomorrow), not that that should alter things.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 01:13 PM


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AL Rookie of the Year front runners:

BA OBP OPS
Mark Trumbo LAA .291 .477 .768
Eric Hosmer KC .293 .334 .465 .799
Ben Revere MIN .267 .310 .309 .619
Jemile Weeks OAK .303.340.421.761

ERA WHIP
Jeremy Hellickson TB 1.15 2.95
Michael Pineda SEA 1.10 3.74
Jordan Walden LAA 1.24 2.98

Tough choice, I would love to say Jemile, but as I said last year the award should be based on the year, not part of it. Given the far better offences he pitched against, I'm likely to go for Hellickson.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 01:25 PM


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NL front runners for Rookie of the year:

ERA WHIP
Craig Kimbrel ATL 1.04 2.10
Josh Collmenter ARI 1.07 3.38

BA OBP SLG OPS
Freddie Freeman ATL .282 .346 .448 .795

A lot easier than the AL in my opinion, difficult to see past Kimbrel
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 02:01 PM


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AL Cy Young candidates

WHIP ERA

Justin Verlander DET 0.92 2.40
Jered Weaver LAA 1.01 2.41
James Shields TB 1.04 2.82
Doug Fister DET/SEA 1.06 2.83
Josh Beckett BOS 1.03 2.89

No doubt the usual suspects will be rabbiting on about how CC Sabathia should win, but I'll go with Verlander, should be a no doubter in my opnion.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 02:09 PM


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NL Cy Young contenders

Clayton Kershaw LAD 0.98 2.28
Cole Hamels PHI 0.99 2.79 3
Cliff Lee PHI 1.03 2.40
Roy Halladay PHI 1.04 2.35 5
Matt Cain SF 1.08 2.88
Ian KennedyARI 1.09 2.88
Jonny Venters ATL 1.09 1.84
Bill Bray CIN 1.08 2.98
Craig Kimbrel ATL 1.04 2.10

Tough choice here, any of the above are worthy, but I'll go with Kershaw, although I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the 'official' voters stick with a previous winner and give it to Halladay. That list does underline how scary the Phillie's rotation is in post season.
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Leemarlin87
Posted: Oct 1 2011, 10:09 PM


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Yep I can confirm the annual baseballfan awards will be coming shortly so get them thinking caps on and Gal has got a great list of potential candidates set up.

Unfortunately the list of past winners going back the past 5-6 years or so is lost on the other site (I thought I had them saved on my Laptop but cant find them just now).
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Tijani
Posted: Oct 3 2011, 04:30 PM


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I will start with the Rookie of the Year awards. For me it isnít much of a contest in the NL with Kimbrel being the clear winner. The AL is a lot more complicated. If Trumbo didnít have such a low OBP then I would say he should be the winner. Waldenís numbers probably arenít good enough for a reliever to win the award. I would say Hellickson is probably the favourite but itís not as clear cut as in the NL.

Unfortunately it looks like Verlander will win the AL Cy Young. Weaver should probably come second and I think Dan Haren should get some votes with his 1.02 WHIP and 3.17 ERA. Haren was also 3rd in the league in quality starts and 3rd in opponents OBP behind Weaver and Verlander.

This season Jered Weaver went at least 7 innings giving up one or less runs in 18 of his 33 starts which works out at 54.5% of all his starts.

The MVP awards and the NL CY Young I will have to have more of a think about. Itís hard to define what the MVP should actually mean. Is it the player with the best numbers or the player who has meant most to his team. You could make a good case that Verlander was the best pitcher in the AL but that Weaver was more valuable to his team.
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galraen
Posted: Oct 3 2011, 04:43 PM


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The MVP is probably the most contentious of all the awards a[art from the Golden Gloves.

Some contend that a pitcher shouldn't be eligible, but my tke on that is that the people who set up the award in the first place must have consdered the idea. The fact they promptly gave the first ever MVP in the AL to a pitcher, totally invalidates any argument that pitchers hould be included in my opinion.

That said, one way I've read to clera the fog is to ask what would have happened to the team if the player in question hadn't been avaiable. It was using that argument that leads me to lean towards Michael Young, if the Rangers didn't have him would they have won the division?
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AlextheBrave
Posted: Oct 3 2011, 04:56 PM


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The problem with the MVP award is the name of the award, for me its the award for the best player but the title leads people to vote for players whoose team made or contended for the post-season. My votes for MVP are Kemp in the NL and Bautista in the AL. Pitchers should certainly be on the ballot but something special has to happen for a a player who helps his team every 5 days beat out a player who helps every day.

As for the other awards, NL ROY and AL CY arent close in my mind (Kimbrel & Verlander). Think Ackley should be in the consideration for the AL ROY but that is a close award. Nothing between Halladay/Lee/Kershaw, it could come down to ball park factors which could play against Kershaw but thats a close one. as well.
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fishandchippers
Posted: Oct 3 2011, 08:07 PM


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I'm going for:

AL MVP
Miggy

NL MVP
Braun

AL CY YOUNG
Verlander

NL CY YOUNG
Kershaw

AL ROOKIE
Hellickson

NL ROOKIE
Kimbrel

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galraen
Posted: Oct 3 2011, 09:15 PM


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The voting hasn't actually started of course, Le will start up a new thread for that purpose and explain the voting system. This thread is just for debating.
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fishandchippers
Posted: Oct 4 2011, 08:21 AM


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yeah jumped the gun a bit..
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galraen
Posted: Oct 4 2011, 06:51 PM


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Well that ws difficult, had to overcome my Anti-Yankee prejudice, but once I did it had to be Cano, for similar reasons I was initially had for thinking of Young, but in the end Young's performance wasn't quite enough. Cano's defenssive improtance to the Yankees on top of his hitting was too much to overlook.

I've come to dislike Larussa as a person, but to overcome the difficulties St Lousi had and edge into the play-offs despit so many key injuries was key.
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