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nox - June 29, 2006 12:32 PM (GMT)
WOW! Sounds just like white industries hubs. These are the real loud stuff. 24 engagement, identical to white industries. Guess what, these are $300 cheaper! After a first offroad and 100+km on it, heres a review. Bearings are fine, no play or defect from the factory, and they are supposedly SKF bearings. Not bad for cheap stuff.

Also, the hub shell is completely CNCed and not forged like shimanos. Weight is decent, not too heavy. I absolutely love the QRs provided also, they feel so good and well built to use. Well worth the wait, for something so cheap and so good. Laced with the sun DS2xc disc specific rims (which are around 410-420g only!), its a real good deal for a wheelset. I would recommend it over the low spoke count xero element wheelsets. Not to mention these are pretty exotic around here, it is hard to find novatec hubs locally too, even though they are so cheap! At this price range there is nothing better to get. Its a pretty vain fight for shimano actually, their decent XTR hubs have obscene prices!

blurblock - June 29, 2006 03:20 PM (GMT)
haha if XTR is decent, then my hub leh?

nox - June 29, 2006 03:40 PM (GMT)
ya seriously xtr is the only one that is the decent cup and cone bearing system hub... the rest all either have poor sealing (means you have to service more often) or they can have low quality bearing surfaces... At least for the sealed bearing types you can change the whole thing out. But hey, how can you get a decent sealed bearing hub for under $200?

SengkangMTB - June 29, 2006 07:59 PM (GMT)
btw noxs u got novatec disc hubs right and sun rims and spokes whats ytour actual weight per 1 wheel?

blurblock - June 30, 2006 01:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 PM)
ya seriously xtr is the only one that is the decent cup and cone bearing system hub... the rest all either have poor sealing (means you have to service more often) or they can have low quality bearing surfaces... At least for the sealed bearing types you can change the whole thing out. But hey, how can you get a decent sealed bearing hub for under $200?

haha, my bike is never quite good enough for you all.

nox - June 30, 2006 02:01 AM (GMT)
its ok to use la, why do u keep fussing over this? My hubs last time were more crappy than yours lol. seriously.

oReO_mILk - June 30, 2006 04:59 AM (GMT)
hey ian... nice wheels u've got there... ticking sound is really quite indentical to my hubs ... lol...

porsWes97 - June 30, 2006 07:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 PM)
ya seriously xtr is the only one that is the decent cup and cone bearing system hub... the rest all either have poor sealing (means you have to service more often) or they can have low quality bearing surfaces... At least for the sealed bearing types you can change the whole thing out. But hey, how can you get a decent sealed bearing hub for under $200?

The way you compare is quite incorrect and you have only bring it out for few rides only. It is just the initial performance not the durability and performance yet.

Do you know how much it will cost to change one whole seal bearing and just one ball bearing? Ball bearing can be very easily found, but for novatech seal bearing I don't think so as there is no distributor here. For seal bearing, you will need to find those that comes with very good seal so it can protect your small little bearing inside the bearing housing. And you can't service the bearing, only can wipe the seal clean from all form of dust and soil. Because you need only one cut to the seal, your bearing will be gone when time comes. For cup and cone, normally you will feel it when the bearing is not that smooth or there is a spoilt bearing. All you just need is to take one bearing for sample, go to the bearing shop let them measure, pay a few bucks for a few pieces and go. Clean the bearing housing and the cone properly, pack with grease, put back the bearing and pack with grease again. Then put back the cone, you can replace the seal if you want, set it to correct tightness and that's all. And it cost less than a seal bearing. Normally if you take care of the cup and cone bearing system, it will last you very long time. Like my XTR, 7 years already. Now I am using a special bearing grease, it has make my hubs even smoother.

If you want to compare seal bearing, compare with my hadley hubs. I have just change my hub shell seal bearing to SKF ones, and this is what I call best seal bearing. Of course with a price.

porsWes97 - June 30, 2006 07:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 08:32 PM)
WOW! Sounds just like white industries hubs. These are the real loud stuff. 24 engagement, identical to white industries. Guess what, these are $300 cheaper! After a first offroad and 100+km on it, heres a review. Bearings are fine, no play or defect from the factory, and they are supposedly SKF bearings. Not bad for cheap stuff.

I forgot to read this. How you know it is SKF bearing? Have you open up to see? As what I know, SKF bearing is not that cheap. Even their BB cost me a big hole in my wallet.

nox - June 30, 2006 08:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (porsWes97 @ Jun 30 2006, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 PM)
ya seriously xtr is the only one that is the decent cup and cone bearing system hub... the rest all either have poor sealing (means you have to service more often) or they can have low quality bearing surfaces... At least for the sealed bearing types you can change the whole thing out. But hey, how can you get a decent sealed bearing hub for under $200?

The way you compare is quite incorrect and you have only bring it out for few rides only. It is just the initial performance not the durability and performance yet.

Do you know how much it will cost to change one whole seal bearing and just one ball bearing? Ball bearing can be very easily found, but for novatech seal bearing I don't think so as there is no distributor here. For seal bearing, you will need to find those that comes with very good seal so it can protect your small little bearing inside the bearing housing. And you can't service the bearing, only can wipe the seal clean from all form of dust and soil. Because you need only one cut to the seal, your bearing will be gone when time comes. For cup and cone, normally you will feel it when the bearing is not that smooth or there is a spoilt bearing. All you just need is to take one bearing for sample, go to the bearing shop let them measure, pay a few bucks for a few pieces and go. Clean the bearing housing and the cone properly, pack with grease, put back the bearing and pack with grease again. Then put back the cone, you can replace the seal if you want, set it to correct tightness and that's all. And it cost less than a seal bearing. Normally if you take care of the cup and cone bearing system, it will last you very long time. Like my XTR, 7 years already. Now I am using a special bearing grease, it has make my hubs even smoother.

If you want to compare seal bearing, compare with my hadley hubs. I have just change my hub shell seal bearing to SKF ones, and this is what I call best seal bearing. Of course with a price.

haha this is initial impressions. i will have alot more to complain after 5 months. wait and see guys!

oh i didnt know you can change the ball bearing. how much and where to get ah?? i wana change my bearings for my old hub. that hub needs rebuilding too...

nox - June 30, 2006 08:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (porsWes97 @ Jun 30 2006, 03:37 PM)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 08:32 PM)
WOW! Sounds just like white industries hubs. These are the real loud stuff. 24 engagement, identical to white industries. Guess what, these are $300 cheaper! After a first offroad and 100+km on it, heres a review. Bearings are fine, no play or defect from the factory, and they are supposedly SKF bearings. Not bad for cheap stuff.

I forgot to read this. How you know it is SKF bearing? Have you open up to see? As what I know, SKF bearing is not that cheap. Even their BB cost me a big hole in my wallet.

duno thats what mr xu wei says.... the skf bearings are the simple ones lo.. its not the very well sealed bb type, just the normal cartridge used in machines i guess? like i said, 5 months later i will open it all up and we'll see what happens after that. maybe in time to change to a lighter one too ;)

porsWes97 - June 30, 2006 10:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 30 2006, 04:01 PM)
QUOTE (porsWes97 @ Jun 30 2006, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (nox @ Jun 29 2006, 11:40 PM)
ya seriously xtr is the only one that is the decent cup and cone bearing system hub... the rest all either have poor sealing (means you have to service more often) or they can have low quality bearing surfaces... At least for the sealed bearing types you can change the whole thing out. But hey, how can you get a decent sealed bearing hub for under $200?

The way you compare is quite incorrect and you have only bring it out for few rides only. It is just the initial performance not the durability and performance yet.

Do you know how much it will cost to change one whole seal bearing and just one ball bearing? Ball bearing can be very easily found, but for novatech seal bearing I don't think so as there is no distributor here. For seal bearing, you will need to find those that comes with very good seal so it can protect your small little bearing inside the bearing housing. And you can't service the bearing, only can wipe the seal clean from all form of dust and soil. Because you need only one cut to the seal, your bearing will be gone when time comes. For cup and cone, normally you will feel it when the bearing is not that smooth or there is a spoilt bearing. All you just need is to take one bearing for sample, go to the bearing shop let them measure, pay a few bucks for a few pieces and go. Clean the bearing housing and the cone properly, pack with grease, put back the bearing and pack with grease again. Then put back the cone, you can replace the seal if you want, set it to correct tightness and that's all. And it cost less than a seal bearing. Normally if you take care of the cup and cone bearing system, it will last you very long time. Like my XTR, 7 years already. Now I am using a special bearing grease, it has make my hubs even smoother.

If you want to compare seal bearing, compare with my hadley hubs. I have just change my hub shell seal bearing to SKF ones, and this is what I call best seal bearing. Of course with a price.

haha this is initial impressions. i will have alot more to complain after 5 months. wait and see guys!

oh i didnt know you can change the ball bearing. how much and where to get ah?? i wana change my bearings for my old hub. that hub needs rebuilding too...

Can, but why change if the ball bearing is okay. Maybe just need servicing and new grease only.

nox - June 30, 2006 10:18 AM (GMT)
the ball bearings got visible lines already... u know like abit cracked? quite jia lat...

WeiJian - July 1, 2006 10:50 AM (GMT)
just compare within price range lor.

xt hubs vs novatec hubs
same price... through taiwan bike mart

novatec pwns xt.

i think it's possible to change the skf bearings... skf in sg got distributor... headquarters for south east asia, pacific region...
http://www.skf.com/portal/skf_sg/home

joy tech, hoooo... the webbie a bit screwed up... can't view the novatec hub specs... so maybe one day have to really rip open the thing to see.
http://www.joy-tech.com.tw/

nox - July 2, 2006 11:19 AM (GMT)
so its not skf bearings inside??? <_<

WeiJian - July 2, 2006 12:25 PM (GMT)
it should be mah. but since wesley don't believe, no harm (for me) to open it up and find out the truth.

nox - July 2, 2006 01:11 PM (GMT)
ok then go get one and open up! i am curious to see whats inside anyway.

WeiJian - July 2, 2006 03:16 PM (GMT)
open urs lar...

nox - July 2, 2006 03:29 PM (GMT)
lol not yet. i still like the sound.

porsWes97 - July 3, 2006 02:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (WeiJian @ Jul 2 2006, 08:25 PM)
it should be mah. but since wesley don't believe, no harm (for me) to open it up and find out the truth.

Yes, I don't believe. If you can, please open up one for me to see and believe.
I just change my Hadley Hub shell bearing to SKF ones, Ben help me to get it from the industry here. I can still show you the box and the receipt. I have shown nox the cup and cone bearing system today and how to service it, I have also tried to explain the difference of seal bearing to cup and cone. His hub is still in good condition, so no need to open it for him.




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