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Starlite Fuzzies - February 11, 2007 08:40 PM (GMT)
I was attempting to breed one of my bucks to one of my new does. He couldn't quite "get her" I thought he was getting in the spot, but he never grunted and fell off. I had checked their genitals before and everything looked ok... then I re-checked the doe and noticed something a little off when looking closer. Her vulva seemed quite a bit swollen looking. Like, enough to where the buck couldnt get to the right spot no matter what. Today I took her out again and looked at it and saw a sorta pimple looking thing that just by touching it, it popped. Just a teeny tiny one(not sure if it's related or not). I pushed her vulva back and finally saw the entrance but it sure looks more swollen than it should be. Could this be hutch burn, or is it vent disease? It's one of my new does, so I will be annoyed <_< I just bought her last week so luckily it's not my fault whatever is going on. But I was reading on vent disease and saw symptoms to be scabby and stuff, and I haven't seen anything like that. The does is super wanting to be bred so shes red down there and stuff.

Hopefully it's not vent disease. Ugh. Because first of all that's just annoying. And second of all, you're supposed to treat it with Pen G or whatever, injected or something, and I can't give shots myself and I will hate to have to take a rabbit to the vet once a week for 3 weeks just to get this shot.

Luckily both the buck and doe and this instance arent even at the point of being shown anyways, and I only bred them to each other, so I would treat him too just in case.. if that's what it is.

And pics of vent disease? I tried googling and couldn't find anything. Soooo frustrated right now.

Shadow - February 11, 2007 09:57 PM (GMT)
If it is simple hutch burn, a baby rash ointment should take care of it. Apply for several days couple times a day. If does not clear up then I would think vent diesese. And yes that does need an antibiotic. Shadow

jodi - February 11, 2007 10:30 PM (GMT)
I hope it is just hutch burn. that sounds like the lesser of the 2 evils. :(

mamabunnie - February 11, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
Is it one of the woolies?

Hillside - February 12, 2007 01:02 AM (GMT)
VD is on the anus, not vulva, where it would be scabby, red, swollen, etc.

I would just put ointment on it everyday and see if it clears up.

Starlite Fuzzies - February 12, 2007 02:54 AM (GMT)
Yeah Susie, it's one of the woolies. It's Duchess, which is ok because she can't be shown anyways.. all I tried to do was breed her.

Vicki.. vent disease isn't the vulva? Interesting.. maybe I'm just over-freaking out about this or something. It just seems abnormally inflamed or something. And when you say just put ointment on it, what type are you meaning?

mamabunnie - February 12, 2007 02:56 AM (GMT)
I dont know if this is weird, but I have noticed some of my does get all red and swollen after there bred? Maybe? :confused:

Starlite Fuzzies - February 12, 2007 03:06 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I'm starting to think it might not be vent disease. I'm doing lots of research now online but there's honestly not that much out there.

I found this pic:


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Apparently it's vent disease. It looks like its on the vulva too? :confused:

JerseyWoolyFreak - February 12, 2007 03:09 AM (GMT)
If it's not scabby, she's probably okay. I have a doe who has a pimple on her vent and I have penicillined the heck out of her, but the pimple is still there (never tried to pop it, maybe I should, LOL). If putting whatever kind of ointment on her doesn't work, bring her over and I'll show you how to give an injection. It's pretty easy. Just pull up the scruff, stick the needle in and plunge the needle.

Starlite Fuzzies - February 12, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
Hmm alright.. might have to try that... I'll bring her over maybe after this weekend or something.

That's the thing that makes me think it can't be vent disease. I don't see scabbyness anywhere. I mean, what do they mean like scabby? I think of a dry rough scab.. hm..

Anywho, I'll post any random info I learn through my google quest..haha. Maybe someone else can learn from it.

This is what vent disease can do to a rabbit over time if left untreated. I guess they try to clean themselves and it can get on their face:

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Again, not my rabbit

After looking at all this stuff, I'm sure I'm safe. I'm just such a worry wart.

SSRrabbits - February 12, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)

That looks gross.....I hope none of my bunnies ever get that :cry:

Yeah, sometimes my does will get pimples on their vulva...normally if they aren't being shown I don't do anything but if I show them I wait for the show and have a friend/judge do it :lol:

kismet - February 12, 2007 03:32 AM (GMT)
If Lisa could give the injection for you or show you how (it really isn't that hard, and they usually don't even notice that you're doing anything, so it's not too bad at all) then you'll be set no matter what it is.

I had a couple does get hutch burn a while back but what concerned me (I am the same as you, kinda paranoid especially where illness is concerned and don't like assuming just incase it's worse than it seems - and there really isn't that much info on VD or pictures of mild cases) but I just gave them pen g injections once a week for 3 weeks. If it's hutch burn, it will take care of it easily - and just incase it IS VD, the 3 week injection will *completely* kill the VD from the bloodstream. That was my main concern when I was looking up on it, apparantly if you just treat it topically it will take care of hutch burn, but if it is actually a mild case of VD, it will still be in the blood stream and can infect your other bunnies without showing symptoms. Kinda like treating snuffles. So I'd rather take the completely safe route and treat them for VD because you really just don't know, the symptoms are so different with every rabbit. Not like the extra treatment is going to hurt them if it's only hutch burn anyway. :)

Starlite Fuzzies - February 12, 2007 03:47 AM (GMT)
Yeah.. I decided I'm going to have to get Lisa to shoot up my rabbits here soon, and then teach me how to do it so I can learn :nervous:

I'm pretty sure now it's not VD, but I'll just use the Pen G just incase. You're right, better to just do it than assume. I'm over precautious.

JerseyWoolyFreak - February 12, 2007 03:51 AM (GMT)
I can show you at Stockton on Sat :)

Hillside - February 12, 2007 04:40 AM (GMT)
Nope. When I dealt with it 2 years ago it was all on the anus. The anus gets all puffy, red, scabby, swollen, etc. That's what I dealt with anyway. I treated the entire herd by stopping breeding, and giving Pen G shots once every 3 weeks then once every 2 weeks for 4 weeks. It took my whole freaking summer until I was able to start safely breeding again. Giving shots is relaly easy. The rabbit doesn't even move either. You just lift up loose skin over the shoulers, stick the needle in the "tent" of skin, and push in the pen. I rub it any I give it to make sure it gets in there.

VD also may or maynot show any symptoms. That was how it got into my herd. A buck I bought showed no symptoms so I bred him. And tada, VD!

Hillside - February 12, 2007 04:42 AM (GMT)
Oh - I just use polysporin or even neosporin for the ointment. If it's hutch burn it goes away in a few days. If it' VD, you have to get it out of the bloodstream which is what the series of Pen does.

Hillside - February 12, 2007 04:56 AM (GMT)
Sorry for yet another post - but this is a jur doe of mine that I had to deal with. She hadn't gotten scabby when I took this pic, but this is what I treated for. If there is something to do with the vulva/boy parts I have no idea.

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Shadow - February 12, 2007 05:04 AM (GMT)
I am just confused? What kind of Pen G do you all have? The kind I have is to be administered Intramuscularly. What kind do you have that you can administer subcutaneous???? Shadow

Starlite Fuzzies - February 12, 2007 05:09 AM (GMT)
Vicki, that dark pink is the anus? I have a doe whos vulva looks THAT DARK. Maybe I should Pen G her too just incase. But she's never been bred before so I guess it cant be VD. :confused:

JerseyWoolyFreak - February 12, 2007 06:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Shadow @ Feb 11 2007, 09:04 PM)
I am just confused? What kind of Pen G do you all have? The kind I have is to be administered Intramuscularly. What kind do you have that you can administer subcutaneous???? Shadow

It's just regular old Penicillin G like this one (but a different brand):
Just inject it subcuetaneously.

I've never heard of having to inject penicillin intramuscularly. :huh:

Hillside - February 13, 2007 01:51 AM (GMT)
This little doe was just messed up. Before I took this pic, she had a ton of blood coming out of her anus which I have a picture of, but I won't post it. She was always boney and no matter what I did (wormer, yogurt, nutra-cal, oatmeal, etc) she just never felt very good, so she was sore. Do you have a picture of your doe's vent area? That would help.

Shadow - February 13, 2007 05:31 AM (GMT)
I went to that web site and looked it says right on the bottle for Intramuscular use only? Shadow

JerseyWoolyFreak - February 13, 2007 06:33 AM (GMT)
Maybe it depends on the penicillin? Mine says for sub-q use in cattle ( :lol: ) I've also read sub-q from Barbi Brown and at Island Gems.

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