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Celestial_Wind - February 28, 2009 07:52 PM (GMT)
I just got done reading the post about the Thrianta babies and was just wondering what "proven" means to you.

To me when I tell someone the doe is "proven" it means that she has successfully raised kits to weaning age.

A "Simi Proven" doe has passed the kits with no complications but didn't raise them for some reason they passed.

And obviously a "proven" buck means that he has produced a live litter with a doe.
As so a "Simi Proven" Buck has produced the babies just not live ones with a doe.

Keepee - February 28, 2009 07:55 PM (GMT)
On bucks, proven means the kits were alive at birth. He shouldn't be held responsible if she scatters the nest :lol:

I usually say proven on does if they've kindled a live litter, as long as they don't die due to a problem she creates. For instant, when Ms. Lady had a litter and something ATE them and several other litters in my barn, she was proven because she was nursing and taking care of them and circumstances beyond her control killed the babies. Most of the time I just clarify "well, she had a litter, but they died" type thing or "she's started, but the first litter was on the wire".

OakRidgeRabbits - February 28, 2009 08:27 PM (GMT)
I'd say a rabbit (buck or doe) is proven if there are kits kindled at all.

If there were special circumstances, like they were DOA, she scattered the litter, etc., I would always be honest with the buyer and let them know that because I don't want them to get something thinking it will be perfect if problems might arise.

But the term "proven" itself just means to me that kits were produced.

runnin_wild56 - February 28, 2009 10:10 PM (GMT)
To me a proven doe has successfully raised a litter to weaning age. A semi proven doe had a live litter but none lived to weaning age. A proven buck is one that sired a live litter. A semi proven buck is one that sired a dead litter.

Starlight - February 28, 2009 10:12 PM (GMT)
Proven means to me a doe successfully having a live litter and raising them. ;)

SCG - February 28, 2009 10:42 PM (GMT)
I label does Proven if they've raised litter(s) to weaning. Semi-proven if they've kindled but haven't raised any b/c they were dead or fostered.

I've never labeled bucks proven or not.

Falls-Acre - March 1, 2009 12:14 AM (GMT)
To me, a proven doe is one that's kindled a live litter, same with a proven buck, though I rarely label bucks to potential buyers.

Erins Bunnies - March 1, 2009 03:13 AM (GMT)
To me, it means that the doe has raised a litter with no complications. Semi-proven is a doe that won't feed her kits or kindles on the wire every time, or scatters the nest, etc.

A proven buck is a buck that can produce at all. There is no such thing as a semi proven buck.

žilver žkittles - March 1, 2009 03:32 AM (GMT)
to me proven means that the doe had a litter-whether it lived or not, becuase it is proving that the doe can produce.

SCG - March 4, 2009 09:57 AM (GMT)
Just b/c she can have them doesn't mean she can produce. She's not worth much if she can't raise or even have a live litter. After being taken myself on so-called "proven" does, I'm honest with buyers when it comes to how they've produced for me. A semi-proven doe gets a lower price. A complete dud of a doe doesn't get sold, she just goes away.

jmemt - March 4, 2009 03:27 PM (GMT)
To me a "proven" doe is one who has had and raised a litter of babies. I usually put "Proven and an excellent mom" on rabbits that I concider proven. If she is proven but a terrible Mom, then she becomes a pet or eaten.

I usually don't sell semi-proven does because I will keep trying to get a litter. Semi-proven would be a Doe who has had a litter but they did not live.

Unproven Does that I have not been able to get to concieve would be sold as pets or eaten.

I feel its very important for breeders to be very clear and honest when selling rabbits. It's YOUR reputation and you want it to be good so people will recommend you and come back for more rabbits.

ARobinson - March 6, 2009 02:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Celestial_Wind @ Feb 28 2009, 02:52 PM)
To me when I tell someone the doe is "proven" it means that she has successfully raised kits to weaning age.

I agree.

J- H Lop - March 7, 2009 06:36 PM (GMT)
I agree with Dennie.

Breeding is risky everytime. But it's nice to know a rabbit has bred a litter in using. There are certain things to look for in a doe or buck for breeding as a factor. SOme cost money to check. Unless you can do it.

Tinkerbell Rabbitry - March 7, 2009 08:28 PM (GMT)
To me "proven" means the doe has had a litter and all or most of the babies have survived past the age of 6 weeks, "semi-proven" means that she has had a litter but it was either DOA or did not live past 6 weeks.


3 Little Ladies Rabbitry - March 9, 2009 05:02 PM (GMT)
Proven to me is the Doe delivered the kits and they lived
I have never heard of semi proven ~ :blink:

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