Infinity and Immortality
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I was thinking today that if it is physically possible for me to exist once, then it may be possible for me to exist again. And if the universe exists forever, then on that infinite time scale I would HAVE to exist again. However, the flawed assumption is that it may be possible for me to exist again.
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I dont see how you figure that you HAVE to exist again. I mean, granted, its infinite, but... still. Explain.
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I suppose you should also consider the fact that with every single second, the universe changes and molds into something new. Everything becomes older, new history is made, stars explode, stars are formed, etc. This would also lead one to think that in order for one to exist again, as the exact same self, the enviornment and history leading up to one's existence would have to be exactly the same to allow re-existence. Sigh, my head hurts.
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QUOTE (je suis le chipmunk @ )
I suppose you should also consider the fact that with every single second, the universe changes and molds into something new. Everything becomes older, new history is made, stars explode, stars are formed, etc. This would also lead one to think that in order for one to exist again, as the exact same self, the enviornment and history leading up to one's existence would have to be exactly the same to allow re-existence. Sigh, my head hurts.

I guess the percentage of circumstances happening like that are impossibly low. But then, there's the whole infinity thing.

Thing of it like the phi. It never ends, but it never repeats the same sequence of numbers.
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QUOTE (Nick @ )
I dont see how you figure that you HAVE to exist again. I mean, granted, its infinite, but... still. Explain.

Well if my first assumption is true (infinite universe with respect to time), and my second assumption is true (that it is even physically possible for me to exist again). Then in an infinite timespan it would happen. Take 1% chance, in an infinite timespan something that is possible will happen. But I admit that the second premise might not be true. It could be the nature of the universe to never repeat itself, which would make it physically impossible for me to exist again.
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QUOTE (je suis le chipmunk @ )
I suppose you should also consider the fact that with every single second, the universe changes and molds into something new. Everything becomes older, new history is made, stars explode, stars are formed, etc. This would also lead one to think that in order for one to exist again, as the exact same self, the enviornment and history leading up to one's existence would have to be exactly the same to allow re-existence. Sigh, my head hurts.

Well the only reason I'm really even thinking about this is because I am trying to discover what life really is. I mean if it is just all physical components, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to recreate me. And if it isn't all physical components, then spirits kind of live indefinitely anyway.
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QUOTE (nimble @ )
QUOTE (je suis le chipmunk)
I suppose you should also consider the fact that with every single second, the universe changes and molds into something new. Everything becomes older, new history is made, stars explode, stars are formed, etc. This would also lead one to think that in order for one to exist again, as the exact same self, the enviornment and history leading up to one's existence would have to be exactly the same to allow re-existence. Sigh, my head hurts.

Well the only reason I'm really even thinking about this is because I am trying to discover what life really is. I mean if it is just all physical components, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to recreate me. And if it isn't all physical components, then spirits kind of live indefinitely anyway.

To the last sentence, I'm assuming you mean the spiritual components of a human individual? If that's the case, do they live indefinitely? Are the spiritual components of an individual's identity dependant or independant on the physical components? Is the spirit an entity within itself, or a just a working gear to someone's identity?

If I knew, I'd propose something, but I'm curious as to what you think.
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QUOTE (Tom @ )
To the last sentence, I'm assuming you mean the spiritual components of a human individual? If that's the case, do they live indefinitely? Are the spiritual components of an individual's identity dependant or independant on the physical components? Is the spirit an entity within itself, or a just a working gear to someone's identity?

If I knew, I'd propose something, but I'm curious as to what you think.

To your first question, I meant the spirit of a human, almost in the christian sense, as in the mind/spirit is distinct from the body, as in one is physical and finite and the other is immaterial and infinite.

To your second question, if we are assuming that the spirit is immaterial and infinite, then yes it would exist past my physical self.

To your third question, I would either suggest that all things are material and that there is no distinction between the mind and the body, its just physical things with physical processes, or that there is some form of dualism (mind and body are distinct and different) where what consists of me is more than just my body, and in fact might not even be necessarily physical at all.

Again to the last point, if it is all physical then I think there is no distinction between mind and body. It would all be physical and not at all distinct from one another. It would be like I have arms for survival, eyes for survival, etc and a mind for survival, all of which were derived from physical processes and are themselves all physical processes.

Or that the two are distinct and that the mind/spirit would be the more important of the two in this case.
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Thanks for clearing that up, great thoughts.
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