Title: Fanstuff of the Month
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 02:58 PM (GMT)
Ok, I am getting so tired of everyone saying that the fanstuff of the Week has been "going down in quality" that I am suggesting that we take action. We need new rules and maybe revise a few.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:00 PM (GMT)
Well, how are we supposed to write them? Usually the bad ones are weeded out when they get all declines.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 03:06 PM (GMT)
To start out with, is how many lines an email has to be. Ok, the fanstuff Guidelines only has 20 lines, I think that the email show has to have at least 3 that are 30 or more lines to sign up.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:27 PM (GMT)
No, the line count doesn't matter, it's like some SBEmails with only compy text. You need a good plot, or a lot of silly lines, in any size package. But long ones are preferred.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 03:30 PM (GMT)
I think so, because it will force them to be more creative. And accually if they want a chance, they have to make it more than 30 lines.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:36 PM (GMT)
I think length is too constricting a factor. See, when I saw some of Mitchell00's newer 1-Up e-mails, I thought he just kept rattling off more actiony events without a centralized cause and effect plotline, just to win a line count.
Most of my Ductape Blader e-mails are a bit too short, one is a little bad due to non-descriptiveness. But if you read "Sattelites" you'd see that a good e-mail doesn't always have a 100-line count, or a huge pile of sci-fi action. I'm more of an "unlikely fantasy close-to-home" person, someone whose best in the classic Homestar category and not in some others.
With only 6-7 e-mails, I'm not going to win anything yet. With 15-20 e-mails, I can get a chance.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 03:38 PM (GMT)
Ok, then what do you propose about the rules. Which I think that we need also and amount of emails to put your Fotw down.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:42 PM (GMT)
Usually decided by viewers, a nice average is a 15-20 minimum, but only if they are good. No one will vote for 50 crapmails and 1-4 good ones. *Glares at Futuramaooy's old :stinkoman: e-mails.*
But e-mails aren't always the winners. If no one votes by tomorrow, I could win Fanstuff of the Week with 4 accepts and no declines for Characitures, Cartoons, and Cards, an art gallery that doesn't use sprites too often.
(Despite being easier to make than they look, the non-sprite stuff is most likely the novelty of it).
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 03:44 PM (GMT)
They aren't all that easy, but what do you suggest about the rules. I think we just need to make them stricter.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:46 PM (GMT)
Stricter rules will only discourage them further. We just make some stuff and see how good they are, like Kiki's drawings of Jenny's stories and flash art.
I wish I could draw that well.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 03:47 PM (GMT)
No, it will increase the amount of good fanstuffs.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 03:53 PM (GMT)
Some people aren't that great. Sure, they can improve over time, but that comes with experience. Even I wasn't that good. (Check out some old Mendy and Dongy e-mails in the unclaimed section. That was what I was like before several improvements).
After learning about the wonders of the "Print Screen" button, I mostly reshape, recolor, and steal old graphics. It's a process I call "recycling", and in one Rhinofeeder comic I did, I realized I cannot sprite, so I did the best I could.
Plus, I don't have photoshop resources, I just have a camera photo editor that only suits my rotation needs, and it always blurs everything.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 04:01 PM (GMT)
Then those some people should learn how to get better. Then they can sign up.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 04:18 PM (GMT)
You can't just force them! It takes time. I'm going to check the timestamp of my first CCC works and compare them to May/June, the time I joined the wiki.
So, some early ones say October, but my first comic was in January. I guess a couple months are expected. Or they were awesome and then they found the wiki.
And then there's the E-mail Intro Medley in Media. That was anonymous, and it won.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 04:21 PM (GMT)
Ok, we are not talking about your email. We are talking about the fanstuff of the week. And you can force them. We force people to create fanstuffs that are 20 lines. We force them to obey the rules. So on and so forth.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 04:22 PM (GMT)
You can force rules, but you cannot force quality. That's something they have to make. Sooo... any fanstuff in the works, H*Bad? I like to see you make some.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 04:32 PM (GMT)
Well accually I do make fanstuffs if that's what your asking. But not right now, but I will in a few minutes, maybe now. But, we can force rules on the fanstuff of the week.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 22, 2006 04:34 PM (GMT)
Nah. The current system is weeding out the weak, and biased voting is usually frowned upon. :( So, we're fine. :eekdance:
By the way, I see you put your name on the Users that like me list. Thanks. Your donation will help me make some fanstuff. As soon as I find something I need.
H*Bad - July 22, 2006 04:37 PM (GMT)
Maybe you could help with organization. Also, the current system is failing according to almost everyone who is complaining. Maybe I should have made this into a poll.
The Mu - July 22, 2006 05:11 PM (GMT)
I think we need a group of impartial users to weed through the nominations and decide which one is best each week. That way, we can even have runners-up.
Thatkidsam - July 22, 2006 07:39 PM (GMT)
We don't need any more rules. If a fanstuff is low-quality, it will be declined by almost everyone. (Well, except for KickCheat.)
Zachio - July 22, 2006 10:58 PM (GMT)
I really don't understand why the rules need to be changed at all. It's fine this way.
Super Sam - July 22, 2006 11:25 PM (GMT)
Helscome to the forums, Zachio!
Anyway, methinks that the rules are fine. Like other people are saying - we can't force quality. We can force rule-following (which we do), but we can't force somebody to be good.
And we don't need runner-ups. We have very little winners as it is.
H*Bad - July 23, 2006 06:27 AM (GMT)
Ok, so you guys who are complaining, what are your ideas to get better fanstuffs, huh? I don't hear you complainers thinking of anything. Sorry, if that was rude. No really, sorry. ;)
Super Sam - July 23, 2006 02:23 PM (GMT)
Seems like you're the only one complaining here. :<_<:
We can't just "get good fanstuffs". There either will be or there won't be. There's nothing we can do to change that.
Dennis Dunjinman - July 23, 2006 03:20 PM (GMT)
Well, there are some good things out there. I just won in a landslide of 4-0 accepts. :lol:
H*Bad - July 24, 2006 07:20 AM (GMT)
Which was pretty cool, but it shows how lazy every user is getting, including me. We need to be more active in stuff, but now that summar vacation is ending, it seems to me there are less active users during the school time. Maybe it's just me.
The thing - July 24, 2006 12:38 PM (GMT)
Nope, H*Bad, it's not just you. There's almost no users on during school days. (School time)... or maybe they're just lazy. lol
Dennis Dunjinman - July 24, 2006 04:59 PM (GMT)
I think I actually do better during school months. In the summer, I'm too lazy, and my brain just melts to goo. :tampo: I think October and January are my best months.
Bub - July 24, 2006 07:12 PM (GMT)
I was always on when I had school, but now I'm just going to some random places.
Thatkidsam - July 24, 2006 11:04 PM (GMT)
Anyway, as long as we can keep making good fanstuff, FotW will be-
Hey, I broke my toastpaint rule! Frankly, there isn't much to say about this subject, as most people agree that the ability to decline is enough to shove out the crappy nominations.
H*Bad - July 25, 2006 09:30 PM (GMT)
Ok, so then what is the problem with everyone who is saying that there are no new good fanstuffs? Don't complain if you aren't going to have a reason. Then all you are, just an annoyence to everyone.
Thatkidsam - July 27, 2006 10:04 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (H*Bad @ Jul 25 2006, 09:30 PM)|
| Ok, so then what is the problem with everyone who is saying that there are no new good fanstuffs? Don't complain if you aren't going to have a reason. Then all you are, just an annoyence to everyone. |
I have a reason to complain that there aren't any good fanstuffs. For one, this wiki was made to host Homestar Runner fanstuffs. If we don't have any, guess what? The wiki shuts down! Do you honestly want that, H*Bad? Don't say we don't have a reason to complain.
And don't give me that "make a fanstuff if you want more fanstuff" junk, as I'm making a fanstuff. Y'know, named "Xenon Screams", starring the lesser-known Videlectrix characters...
Oh, and I'm making a brand-new fanstuff to bring this entire wiki back from the brink. It's called "Homestar Housewives", the all-star parody of Desparate Housewives. I know you'll all be thrilled when it comes out.
H*Bad - July 29, 2006 03:26 PM (GMT)
Thatkidsam, you just twisted around my words. That is not what I said.
I can't wait for the "Homestar Housewives" fanstuff. Although one fanstuff isn't going to make a difference. Although the Homestar High fanstuff did create a war...
Thatkidsam - July 29, 2006 03:38 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (H*Bad @ Jul 29 2006, 03:26 PM)|
| Thatkidsam, you just twisted around my words. That is not what I said.|
I can't wait for the "Homestar Housewives" fanstuff.
Sorry. In the future, try to be more understandable.
And I know you're all going to love Homestar Housewives. The first chapter will regard Marzipan struggling for attention in their new neighborhood.
Does anyone else smell an instant-FotW?
H*Bad - July 29, 2006 03:44 PM (GMT)
| Sorry. In the future, try to be more understandable.|
I was. Now if I wasn't I would be yelling, and everyonthing would be in bold.
|Does anyone else smell an instant-FotW?|
Naw, I think you smell the Pizza in the oven.
Thatkidsam - July 30, 2006 02:29 PM (GMT)
Hm, now that I think about it, I do have an idea for a new rule:
Votes with a good, specific reason will be given more weight than those that do not.
I think this is an effective way to stop KickCheat and others' accepting sprees. At least for a while.
Joshua - July 30, 2006 03:05 PM (GMT)
I don't know. I don't think rules that rely too much on opinion are very good.
H*Bad - July 31, 2006 12:38 AM (GMT)
Accually, I like Thatkidsam's approach with that rule. Maybe add it? It would be nice to really cut back on accepting sprees. Although I do know for a fact that his accept vote on the NeoStinkoman Email and.... I forgot what it was, but I know that he meant those. Anyways, maybe for how much detail it goes into for lets say the accept vote it gets more points, and vise versa(However you spell that.) As I was thinking about how the Knowledge base has the stuff facts in a templete, I was thinking maybe have it that way instead. This way people can go into more detail so that the page isn't as long. I will make a mock-up page if you would like to show you guys what I mean. Only if you say yes.
Ekul - July 31, 2006 08:58 PM (GMT)
I'm split down the middle of that. It's a good idea, but like Joshua said, who's to say an opinion is good or bad?
"This email show really isn't that good because of all the poor and unnecessary references"
"I disagree! All the references are purposeful and, though not necessary, they add a lot to the show!"
Now, what if the guy who runs it/sysop is the second guy and weighs the second one accordingly, but the first not at all!