Welcome to The Elephant Commentator. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Name:   Password:


* Woodland Park elephant WATOTO euthanized after collapsing. "I am sorry sweet girl, for human egos, ignorance, and for all of us that have contributed to elephants suffering in captivity, we are sorry." From the tribute to WATOTO by Global Sanctuary for Elephants [Blais]
 

 Elephant Tourism, Thailand
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 06:33 AM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



John Roberts is Anantara Golden Triangle Resort & Spa’s Director of Elephants
http://www.anantara.com/face/Anantara-s-Re...r-of-Elephants/

Roberts's Feb 29 "Elephant Tails" blog post:
“…This is for those suggesting that the reason our own [DNP] visit went relatively well was that we give away bribes of certain kinds and that we were able to intimidate with our shiny international logos and large legal departments.”
http://elephant-tails.anantara.com/On-Gees...confiscations-/

Anantara Hotels is owned by Minor Intl. (MINT) (UK)
http://www.minorinternational.com/MBiz/Hotel.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_International

"Minor International Plc is one of the largest hospitality and leisure companies in the Asia Pacific region."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heinecke

Minor Intl owns:
Anantara, Four Seasons, Marriott, Burger King, Dairy Queen, Sizzler, Svensen's, The Coffee Club, The Pizza Company, and a lot more
http://www.minorinternational.com/MBiz/Hotel.php
http://www.minorinternational.com/MBiz/Food.php
http://www.minorinternational.com/MBiz/Retail.php

"Although we knew that the difficulties we faced in 2009 would linger through 2010, we were confident that our businesses, including our 33 hotels and 1,148 restaurants across 20 countries, would again show their usual resiliency and that the environment would likely improve as both Thailand and the world worked through resolving their respective issues." -- Chairman & CEO William E. Heinecke's message
http://www.minorinternational.com/About/Chairman.php

The King ranks #9 on the shareholders list of Minor Intl.
Merrill Lynch is #5.
Niti Osathanugrah is #2. A former investment banker at Merrill Lynch. [ref]
http://mint.listedcompany.com/shareholdings.html

Minor Intl - Fiscal Year Dec. 31, 2010
Annual Sales $641.10 M Sales, Company Information
Profit before tax $70.18 M
Profit after tax $44.73 M

From: Gale Business & Company Resource Center

Note the elephant tourism:

Anantara Golden Triangle Resort & Spa key features:
Elephant training camp – Jungle trekking by elephant
http://goldentriangle.anantara.com/
http://goldentriangle.anantara.com/Elephant-Camp/

Anantara Hua Hin key features: Elephant Trekking
http://huahin.anantara.com/

And all the locations of MINT's Thai hotels. Lots of ele locations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Interna...Hotel_Portfolio

Anantara Phuket Villas [Roberts’s “Elephant Tails” blog attached to this website]
…activities, from diving in pristine waters [see ref post]
http://phuket.anantara.com/

Anantara Bophut Resort & Spa, Koh Samui
Activities: Deep sea fishing [see ref post]
http://samui.anantara.com/

See also Xishuangbanna, China:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=787466


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 08:11 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



William Heinecke is chairman/CEO of Minor Intl which owns Anantara Hotels & Resorts (see above post) which provide a lot of elephant tourism to Thailand, etc.

In 2007, Heinecke was Thailand's 10th richest man. In 2011, 23rd.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/85/biz_07...necke_RZDW.html

In 1991, Heinecke became a Thai citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heinecke

"His mother worked as an Asia correspondent for Time magazine." [see Time ref post]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heinecke

"He is a supporter of the Thai Elephant Conservation Centre."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heinecke

"The [Golden Triangle Asian Elephant] Foundation [GTAEF] was the initial brainchild of Minor founder and C.E.O. William Heinecke who takes a very personal interest in our work.... www.minornet.com."
http://helpingelephants.org/links.html

Heinecke recently took a rare break, riding a slow-moving pachyderm at his annual charity polo tournament that raises money to benefit Thai elephants. "I still feel like a big kid," concedes Heinecke after dismounting.
http://www.forbes.com/global/2009/1005/tha...-adventure.html - Sept 2009

"King's Cup Elephant Polo Tournament...made its debut at the Anantara Hua Hin in 2001 but moved to the resort's Chiang Rai property five years ago....The most unusual auction "piece: sold at the tournament's gala dinner was in 2005 when CEO of Minor International and owner of Anantara, Bill Heinecke was paid US$3,000 to shave off his beard."
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2011/08/17...n-30162934.html - Aug 2011

The King ranks #9 on the shareholders list of Heinecke's Minor Intl.
http://mint.listedcompany.com/shareholdings.html


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 08:43 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



"Together with the Anantara and Four Seasons resorts in the Kingdom's Golden Triangle, the government-run Thai Elephant Conservation Centre and UK-based Elephant Family, Roberts has devised a programme where tourists can learn to become mahouts….

At the nearby Four Seasons Tented Camp, a day with the elephants is included in the cost of guest rooms (though not compulsory), encouraging everybody who goes there to spend time with the animals. Joining the mahouts on the elephant's back, visitors are given a quick run-down on how to drive the animal….

This article appeared in the May 2008 issue of CNN Traveller, global edition."


http://leisatyler.com/thaielephants.php


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 08:54 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



From Alice Marshall Public Relations, Jun 18, 2010.
Anantara Hotels, Resorts & Spas is on her client list.

baby elephants on the move

"Elephant Family is offering the chance to win a vacation for two to none other than Thailand’s Anantara Golden Triangle where the lucky winners will train with mahouts at the resort’s famed elephant camp...."

http://alicemarshall.com/2010/06/18/baby-e...ts-on-the-move/


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 09:19 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



See also Elephant Family's connection to ele polo:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=789149

See also post "Checking Thailand’s Captive Elephants":
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=787919

See also followup connections to above post:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=789006


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 09:58 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Anantara is also promoting elephant therapy tourism for autistic children.

Fundraising from last year’s event [ele polo] has been donated to three projects in Thailand. The first is to continue to support research and clinics using elephants in therapy sessions for children in Thailand living with autism.
http://www.anantaraelephantpolo.com/

CBS, May 13, 2011 article:

"Nuntanee Satiansukpong, head of the occupational therapy department at Chaing Mai University, is the one who suggested elephants might help those with autism."

"A small preliminary observation found improvements among four boys after three weeks of elephant therapy, but more research with larger samples is needed, says Rebecca Johnson, who heads the Research Center for Human Animal Interaction at the University of Missouri. A presentation on the Thai program was recently made at the school's Thompson Center for Autism and Neurodevelopmental Disorders....Nuntanee worked out six key activities for the therapy sessions with her staff. Then they went to the government-run Thai Elephant Conservation Center ...."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-200...0-10391704.html

Capitalism cloaked in the marketing of "conservation." How these human self-centered, speciesist programs will help prevent the elephant species from truly going extinct in 30? years is the question. It's obvious those in power really aren't on the right page as elephant researcher, Dr. Shermin de Silva so eloquently outlined the real problem in her recent piece: http://www.fairobserver.com/article/elephant-room


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 3 2012, 11:08 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Thailand has the world's richest king.

"The world’s richest king and longest reigning monarch,with 63 years on the throne, King Bhumibol Adulyadej,83,revered as a demi-god by many Thais."
http://www.celebritynetworth.org/politicia.../#ixzz1o7PXFVm2

Richest People in Thailand 2011
"Thailand’s tycoons are rising with the tide. Collectively the wealth of the richest 40 advanced 25% to an aggregate $45 billion. Their asset growth is helping these industrialists ramp up investments in operations abroad like never before."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tatianaserafin...nds-40-richest/

2011 list: http://www.therichest.org/nation/richest-people-in-thailand/
2009 list (summaries): http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2009/09...ow-their-faces/


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 6 2012, 02:46 AM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



The TECC [Thai Elephant Conservation Centre] is in Lampang.

"TECC [Thai Elephant Conservation Centre] is operated by the Forest Industry Organization, a State Enterprise of the government of Thailand. It houses the National Elephant Institute of Thailand...."

"The TECC offers many enjoyable Activities. Day trip "musts" include watching elephant bathing, the elephant show and a visit to see our baby elephants. Most guests take an elephant-back ride.... Overnight activities include our popular Homestay program and trekking in the forest."

The "...Show is the highlight for most visitors, featuring traditional logging techniques but also showing elephants painting pictures, making music, demonstrating agility, and more."


http://www.thailandelephant.org/en/

Conservation.

Cross posted from "Elephant Smuggling/Trafficking":
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=794381


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 8 2012, 10:34 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Minor Seeking Acquisition Opportunities, CEO Says, Aug 11, 2011

Heinecke pleased with Phua Thai party in office. Thai tourism climbed 14% in 2011. Fewer travelers from Europe and the US. More tourists from the region. Tourists from Japan up over last year. One of the most popular low-cost travel markets in the world.

VIDEO: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/73807394/ 3 min


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 11 2012, 07:21 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Phajaan, (aka The Crush, Breaking the Elephant's Spirit) story on Thai elephants and tourism on German TV yesterday from reputable channel and at a good time slot. Includes Edwin Wiek.

VIDEO [warning graphic]:
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnaviga...schen-Elefanten

Cross posted in EREC/WFFT and Phajaan.


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 12 2012, 07:42 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



India picks up story.

Thailand’s jumbo secret

But the Thai emperor banned logging in 1988 and an estimated 3,000 domesticated elephants shifted from the timber industry to tourism....

With a six-per cent share, tourism is a growing contributor to Thailand’s economy and ironically the nation has the same six per cent of the world’s population of Indian elephants. The population size reduction of this endangered species has been inferred to be at least 50 per cent over the last three generations.

The tug of war between material want and ecological treasure thus continues. Offered in sacrifice are none other than the nation’s pachyderms.

While tourists spend about 15 dollars for an hour-long elephant ride, the price the elephant is paying for this joy ride is its own life. As the entertainment quotient rises, the downfall of Thailand’s cultural icon is certain.


http://www.deccanherald.com/content/233827...mbo-secret.html

Cross posted in EREC/WFFT and Elephants Smuggling/Trafficking w/ different highlights.


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 13 2012, 04:23 AM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Great article.

The perils of speaking about Thai elephant exploitation

Missing from the glossy tour leaflets is mention of the phajaan training ceremony, the brutal sustained abuse young elephants are forced to endure in preparation for a lifetime of carrying tourists, performing in animal shows, and even painting pictures for tourist amusement.....

Elephant riding and related activities serve to entrap elephants in a cycle of abuse while simultaneously depleting their numbers in the wild. Thus, the paying tourist becomes an accessory to elephant exploitation.


http://www.thescavenger.net/animals/the-pe...tation-823.html

Cross posted in Ele Smuggling/Trafficking, EREC/WFFT, ENP, Antoinette van de Water w/ differ highlights.


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 13 2012, 11:24 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Global Vision International (GVI) a privately held UK company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Vision_International

Alternative Livelihoods and Elephant Rescue in Thailand, which is run by GVI, a non-political, non-religious organization that runs more than 100 projects in 25 countries.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/bedford/feature...y#ixzz1gojIHNXi

Zoom out to see map of GVI projects:
http://www.gvi.org/projects

Thailand projects [note the Starting Costs for the ele programs]:
http://www.gviusa.com/programs/search?coun...=1001&op=Search

"You will be assigned care of an elephant mother and her calf, working with a local elephant keeper (mahout)...."
http://www.gvi.co.uk/programs/elephant-con...rnship-thailand

"GVI has Campus Representatives and Alumni Ambassadors at tons of universities around the world."
http://www.gviusa.com/universities

"Through our offices in North America, the UK and Australia along with an extensive partner network, we send over 3000 participants annually to more than 40 countries worldwide. Over the last 10 years Global Vision International has successfully placed over 10,000 individuals on overseas programs."
http://www.gviworld.com/?q=aboutglobalvision

"I worked for GVI for 2 years, and learned in that time that the organization goes to great lengths to 1--make a profit, 2--quiet any negative comments about them and 3--rip off everyone who signs on for their programs. I was horrified at their lack of ethics, and how they tried to gloss over all their terrible behavior by saying "we're saving the world, so suck it up and keep silent."
http://www.abroadreviews.com/global-vision-international-gvi

GVI international partners with "Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund, Jane Goodall Institute"
http://www.gviusa.com/about-us

See more on Alternative Livelihoods and Elephant Rescue in Thailand:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/Elephant_Comme...ndpost&p=589651


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 23 2012, 05:51 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Elephants are suffering in Thailand - Good overview article worth sharing

Regrettably, there is little regulation over how the animals are obtained and cared for. Once an animal becomes a commodity, greed and corruption often follow. Unenlightened tourists usually will see an animal cared for and having its needs met, but are unaware of the sacrifice that animal, or the entire species, has made for their entertainment.

http://www.davisenterprise.com/opinion/opi...ng-in-thailand/


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Mar 28 2012, 08:43 PM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



This article is not specific to elephants but refers to informing tourists regarding "Thailand's natural world heritage."

PTTEP opens Visitor Center and 3 Nature Trails at Khao Yai National Park

Mr. Anon Sirisaengtaksin...and Mr. Damrong Pidej...officially open a new renovated visitor center....This series of activities is a part of the...(Commemoratively Conserve Thai and World Heritage) campaign...to honor His Majesty the King who has been named as the Supreme Patron of Thai Cultural Heritage and to follow the royal commitment to the conservation of natural resources and environment as a mean to celebrate the auspicious occasion of the King’s 84th birthday anniversary.
http://www.pttep.com/en/CSRnewsDetail.aspx?ContentID=184

[Previous post]
The number of elephants in Thailand has plummeted from approximately 100,000 elephants in the early 1900s to around 5,000 at present.... We concluded that there is no ideal location for elephants in Thailand that provides a high standard of living....[W]e recommend...that human perception be altered to better the lives of elephants in Thailand.
http://www.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Availabl..._March_2011.pdf, Thai Elephants: An Evaluative Study of Contemporary Living Conditions for the Betterment of Asian Elephants in Thai Culture. (Mar. 2011).


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: Apr 15 2012, 01:11 AM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



Elephants and Tourism (in Thai - warning distressing video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfzxz-ddn0E


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
t&tt
Posted: May 30 2012, 01:13 AM


Advanced Member


Group: Members
Posts: 1,811
Member No.: 5
Joined: 31-August 11



A great 3 min video to share from DJ Celeste Siam. Stop supporting entertainment using elephants. Appealing to the new generation.

Thailands Elephants Should be Respected Not Abused in Thai & English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0FivyPprLk


--------------------
People "would rather have a comfortable reality than an accurate reality." - Psychologist & Lawyer, Dr. Bryant Welch
Top
spiritedlulu
Posted: Jun 20 2012, 09:53 AM


Administrator


Group: Admin
Posts: 7,692
Member No.: 1
Joined: 28-August 11



Carol Buckley visited Antara last year ...

LOW-IMPACT OPTIONS The Elephant Camp at Anantara Golden Triangle Resort & Spa at the convergence of Thailand, Myanmar and Laos hosts the northern extension of the Thai Elephant Conservation Center, set up by the Thai government, under royal patronage. For two weeks each month, it lends its veterinarians to the government veterinary hospital in Lampang to offer free care to Thailand’s captive elephants, which are mainly used in tourism. The resort also has a separate charity, the Golden Triangle Asian Elephant Foundation, for abused elephants or those that cannot work. Guests can learn to ride and drive an elephant (included in the $950 starting rate) but don’t expect the animals to perform tricks.


http://travel.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/trave...-traveling.html


--------------------
"What surprises me the most is the number of zoo veterinarians and zoo keepers that continue to visit Sauraha but never helped to get these elephants off chains. Seem unconscionable to me."
Carol Buckley, Nepal's Chain-Free Corral Project in Sauraha
Top
spiritedlulu
Posted: May 15 2013, 07:37 PM


Administrator


Group: Admin
Posts: 7,692
Member No.: 1
Joined: 28-August 11



Anantara Steps Up CSR Efforts with the Appointment of New Worldwide Conservation Director

Set up in 2003 as a traditional mahout village, Anantara Golden Triangle’s Elephant Camp works alongside Anantara’s Golden Triangle Asian Elephant Foundation (GTAEF) to perform street rescues, provide ongoing employment and a comfortable lifestyle for each elephant and its entire mahout family, as well as to participate in bigger picture projects. Fully self sufficient, the Camp now supports more than 25 elephants and 60 people. All elephants receive the utmost care, while the mahout and his family receive food, housing, medical insurance, schooling for their children, and 100% of the profits from a traditional silk weaving business.

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com/artic...vation-director


--------------------
"What surprises me the most is the number of zoo veterinarians and zoo keepers that continue to visit Sauraha but never helped to get these elephants off chains. Seem unconscionable to me."
Carol Buckley, Nepal's Chain-Free Corral Project in Sauraha
Top
Space4Eles
Posted: Jul 16 2013, 03:10 AM


Administrator


Group: Admin
Posts: 13,519
Member No.: 2
Joined: 30-August 11



Elephants in the Street and How I Suck as a Westerner and a Tourist

I have a picture of myself, taken by one of the tour guides, sitting on that howdah, proudly beaming at the camera. I keep it displayed at home to remind myself of my own past ignorance and the ignorance of thousands of other tourists ...

I was horrified! I was one of the ignorant tourists that has perpetuated the horror that elephants live through, the industry that survives on torturing these magnificent beasts and exploiting their existence for financial gain.


http://raveburbleblog.com/2013/07/16/eleph...-and-a-tourist/


--------------------
"They need to move and have stimulation. They need to be browsing, foraging, socialising. They need to have reason for movement." Pat Derby, PAWS, on elephants' needs.
Top
0 User(s) are reading this topic (0 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
« Next Oldest | Asia Part II | Next Newest »

Topic Options



Hosted for free by InvisionFree* (Terms of Use: Updated 2/10/2010) | Powered by Invision Power Board v1.3 Final © 2003 IPS, Inc.
Page creation time: 0.2121 seconds | Archive