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 Celebrating Ten Trinadays Today!, Have you divided time dozenally?
icarus
Posted: Oct 22 2017, 02:06 PM


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Today is a day bigger than a birthday. I am 10 × 12³ days old today. When I was one dozen three years old and bored in geometry class, I figured I was 3295; days old. Somehow that reckoning stuck and has served as the way I add dates to things, including project numbers in my business.

The system I devised as a zenager was thus:

The "trakaūryse" or red calendar used a dozen 100;-day "xrgyn" to each 1000;-day "xisaŽn." The red calendar was prevalent between the inception of ŮiÁme (dozenalism) in 1985 and 1990, then readopted in 1996, and is the currently dominant calendar. (like many dozenalists I was once a conlanger, and now that it entered my journal, those names stuck.)

The "trakaūsyne" or blue calendar used a dozen 30;-day "ekronyn" to each 300;-day "anren‚." The blue calendar was prevalent between 1990 and 1996.

The name "xisaŽn" (she-saw-enn) means "life-stage", and this is the start of the tenth life-stage, about 4 years 10 months long. As a zenager it was pretty convenient that the length of that unit was about the length of high school, then college (I had a 5 year program and am young compared to my peers being born in July) so it seemed like a "stage" of life. The name "xrg‚" (shur-gung) means "life-phase" and is about 5 months long. This derives from being about the length of a "phase", as in your mother saying, "Oh, he's going through a phase".

It's interesting to see how dozenalists think alike, granted that grouping days into the dozenal equivalent of the rather dumb "one hundred days" sort of thing is indeed maybe the province of a zenager. I think Tom Pendlebury called the same concept as my "xisaŽn" a triniDay, the "xrg‚" a dunaDay. Primel has "trinaday" and "binaday" if I am correct. Thus I am ten triniDays old today, and in 2 triniDays, it will be a quedriDay, two-thirds of the way through an average lifespan, if ppl don't press certain red buttons or Yellowstone doesn't kill the joy. Fully dozenal lengths of time do make sense when these are considered in a "scientific" or fully coherent system like primel. We would probably apply them to astronomical or extraterrestrial measurements, like the passing of "geologic" time in other planetary or evolutionary environments. (Consider the parameters of orbit and rotation of the Earth are in flux, such that the year had very many more days than it has now when we are looking millions of years back. So the only reason to use "years" and "days" is relational. It would be more proper, perhaps, to speak of "seconds" but in a primel sense, octadays, etc.).

The old "blue" calendar attempted to make rough analogies to "years" and "months" via "anren‚" (on-ray-nung) "reneyan years", reney being my oldest "avatar", and "ekrone" (ay-krow-nay). This is not really too useful as the periods need to precisely match the 365.256 or whatever actual year-day ratio. This is why it hasn't lasted despite an initial rather sustained fascination.

What are your thoughts on the division of time in your life or just in general? Have you come up with a system?



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Posted: Oct 22 2017, 02:42 PM


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I think it would be "triquaday" and "biquaday" in Primel; "trina-" and "bina-" are multiplicative prefixes for "3 times" and "2 times" respectively, while "triqua-" and "biqua-" mean "dozen-to-the-third times" and "dozen-to-the-second times" respectively.

I must be one of those rare people who are interested in dozenal and have never actually constructed a language! I have a half-fleshed out calendar making use of the close correspondence 364 = 13 * 28, but never actually got around to working with it - mostly because the Gregorian calendar is so entrenched that working with anything else requires more conversion that I'm willing to spend my time doing. happy.gif

P.S. I just did the calculations, and apparently I'm very close to completing another great gross days on the planet myself... happy.gif
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Posted: Oct 23 2017, 03:50 PM


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As you know, I'm fully dozenal in clock and calendar usage. No conlang inventions, however, beyond setting the months up with Greek names, which I don't actually use. I prefer to repurpose terms in English or another language rather than invent new ones. Maybe I was never a zenager (?)

Although it may seem hard to use a dozenal calendar in current life, it's not so hard, if the calendar shows both. By dozenal I mean a 6-day week, of course, plus starting the year on a solstice, plus starting the count of years further back than most do. Admittedly, it's the 6-day week that's the "oddest" part. But it works for me.

The calendar, owing much to Sunny's contribution, is a balance of regularity/predictability with astronomical accuracy. I find it astronomically too disconcerting to use 100z, 300z, 1000z, etc. periods, and certainly stay away from multiples of 7, even if 264z is a notable one.

For a year with sevens, 11z * 24z works well, although if going above 10z, I'd try 13z * 20z, while dumping 7.

It looks like earlier this year I passed day no. 12600z. I have a friend who occasionally counts his age in secondsÖbut I do trices or lullsÖwhich I don't count!
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Posted: Oct 24 2017, 02:21 AM


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I think the ease of use of a week that isn't 7 days greatly depends on what your working hours are like. If they are fairly inflexible, it doesn't really matter that 7 is not regular dozenally: you'll just get pushed back onto that totative row. happy.gif (Religious concerns are another factor.)

Ideally I agree that a 7-day week had better be left to heptadactyls using base 14, and that we should get by with a less stubborn number like you can. But I have a problem actually putting that into practice.
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Posted: Oct 24 2017, 02:29 AM


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QUOTE (icarus @ Oct 22 2017, 02:06 PM)
The "trakaūryse" or red calendar used a dozen 100;-day "xrgyn" to each 1000;-day "xisaŽn." The red calendar was prevalent between the inception of ŮiÁme (dozenalism) in 1985 and 1990, then readopted in 1996, and is the currently dominant calendar. (like many dozenalists I was once a conlanger, and now that it entered my journal, those names stuck.)

The "trakaūsyne" ...

It's interesting to see how dozenalists think alike, granted that grouping days into the dozenal equivalent of the rather dumb "one hundred days" sort of thing is indeed maybe the province of a zenager. I think Tom Pendlebury called the same concept as my "xisaŽn" a triniDay, the "xrg‚" a dunaDay. Primel has "trinaday" and "binaday" if I am correct. Thus I am ten triniDays old today, and in 2 triniDays, it will be a quedriDay, two-thirds of the way through an average lifespan, if ppl don't press certain red buttons or Yellowstone doesn't kill the joy. Fully dozenal lengths of time do make sense when these are considered in a "scientific" or fully coherent system like primel. We would probably apply them to astronomical or extraterrestrial measurements, like the passing of "geologic" time in other planetary or evolutionary environments. (Consider the parameters of orbit and rotation of the Earth are in flux, such that the year had very many more days than it has now when we are looking millions of years back. So the only reason to use "years" and "days" is relational. It would be more proper, perhaps, to speak of "seconds" but in a primel sense, octadays, etc.).

Icarus, could you give us a pronunciation guide for your conlang? I see quite a bit of it on your immensely interesting website, but I am not sure how I should be mentally pronouncing it. Thank you for the snippets you gave later in the post; I hope it is not a sin to want more! happy.gif

I guess the main reason against grouping in pure dozenal powers of days is that the calendar will have nothing to do with the seasons. Then again, this may not be a problem, since the Islamic lunar calendar has no intercalation and so its 354-day cycle falls completely out of step with the 365.25-day solar year. But until recently in Saudi Arabia it was a perfectly serviceable civil calendar, at least until they changed to the Gregorian calendar since a yearly salary is more if it is paid every 354 than every 365.25 days... wink.gif
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Posted: Oct 24 2017, 06:26 PM


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Iím sure that ⟨x⟩ is /ʃ/, ⟨c⟩ is /tʃ/, ⟨j⟩ is /ʒ/, ⟨q⟩ is /ŋ/ and ⟨Á⟩ is /x/. I assume that circumflexes indicate nasal vowels. Icarus transcribes them with ďngĒ after the vowel, but Iíd assume that if /ŋ/ were actually the case, it would simply be romanized with a ⟨q⟩. ⟨Ů⟩ is distinct from ⟨n⟩, but exactly how is unclear, since itís just represented by ďnĒ in icarusís transcriptions; it might be a palatal nasal /ɲ/. ⟨r⟩ is also unclear; itís variously transcribed with ďshĒ, ďzhĒ and ďrĒ. As it can be syllabic, Iíll assume that itís a retroflex approximant like the ⟨r⟩ in Mandarin Chinese.

I have no idea how stress works, though. It seems to have something to do with syllable weight, but I canít quite figure out the pattern. At least ⟨a⟩ and ⟨e⟩ in some unstressed syllables reduce to schwa.

So, /trəˈkaūɻysə/, /ˈʃɻ̍gyn/, /ʃiˈsa.en/, /ʹɲixmə/, /trəˈkaūsynə/, /eˈkɻonyn/, /ənˈɻenə̃/, or thereabouts?
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Posted: Nov 7 2017, 10:06 PM


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QUOTE (icarus @ Oct 22 2017, 07:36 PM)
Today is a day bigger than a birthday. I am 10 × 12³ days old today. When I was one dozen three years old and bored in geometry class, I figured I was 3295; days old. Somehow that reckoning stuck and has served as the way I add dates to things, including project numbers in my business.

I am not sure If it is bigger than a birthday, but it would be bigger in a sense that the approach of 12^3 days is less frequent than a traditional year. Anyhow, you have given me a reason to celebrate one for it, a good one for me at 14th April next year, I would be *6000, which is 6 triquadays or half quadquadays.

Should I party like it's more than a birthday? biggrin.gif I don't know as even the good nearest decimal number to me: 10,000 won't be even considered a brief time of thought, for any classmates of mine (I guess) because as usual, quite majority of them live only the decimal world.
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Posted: Nov 7 2017, 11:38 PM


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QUOTE (sunny @ Nov 7 2017, 10:06 PM)
Should I party like it's more than a birthday?† biggrin.gif I don't know as even the good nearest decimal number to me: 10,000 won't be even considered a brief time of thought, for any classmates of mine (I guess) because as usual, quite majority of them live only the decimal world.

Go for it! happy.gif

EDIT: Apparently I missed my 1225th = 5^2 * 7^2 post (it was probably in the tour for base 252). A rather clunky number full of fives and sevens, but a square nonetheless!
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I'm well over Ɛᘔ00z (eleven-dozen-ten gross) days old at this point, rapidly coming up on ƐƐ00z (eleven-dozen-eleven gross) days. That means I'll be hitting one quadquaday sometime next April. Dozen-to-the-fourth-power.

Man, getting this old is gross -- squared. smile.gif
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Posted: Nov 10 2017, 11:32 AM


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QUOTE (Double sharp @ Nov 7 2017, 11:38 PM)
QUOTE (sunny @ Nov 7 2017, 10:06 PM)
Should I party like it's more than a birthday?† biggrin.gif I don't know as even the good nearest decimal number to me: 10,000 won't be even considered a brief time of thought, for any classmates of mine (I guess) because as usual, quite majority of them live only the decimal world.

Go for it! happy.gif

EDIT: Apparently I missed my 1225th = 5^2 * 7^2 post (it was probably in the tour for base 252). A rather clunky number full of fives and sevens, but a square nonetheless!

You know 252 is an interesting number.

If anyone read my post today re the height of the great pyramid 437.5 saxon feet.

437.5 x Fibonacci value for pi 3.14181818 = 1374.54545

252 / 22 = 11.45454545 x 6 = 68.727272 x 2 = 137.454545
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