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Posted by: icarus May 1 2012, 03:01 PM 
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Posted by: Dan May 2 2012, 12:39 AM  
I'm curious as to how you decided that 10 is male but 8, 9, and 18 are female. 
Posted by: icarus May 2 2012, 02:06 AM 
Dan, Indeed there is a pattern! Even if it is accidental (recalling from memory) I speak Russian, that should be a hint, and the pattern is number theoretical at least with part of the set of possible categories. 
Posted by: Dan May 2 2012, 03:45 AM 
I don't know Russian, so the hint is lost on me. 
Posted by: dgoodmaniii May 2 2012, 06:08 PM  
Grammatical gender. I don't speak (much) Russian, so I can't so for sure, but I think he's ascribing sex to these numbers based on their grammatical gender in Russian. 
Posted by: icarus May 2 2012, 09:11 PM 
Gentlemen, Actually all I meant was I think the assignment of gender is completely random but there are three of them; feminine {(6), 8, 9, 12, 15, (16), 18} masculine {(6), 10, (20)}, and neuter {7, 11, 13, 14, 17}. So it appears that powers of two, multiples of three are feminine, multiples of ten are masculine, and primes and multiples of 7 are neuter. I say 6 can be masculine or feminine, maybe stretching it, because my wife is into MMA. So women can be fighters, tho I am not sure the whole "welterweight" deal applies to them. Anyway, the entire masculine/feminine/neuter thing is entirely random, just there to make the stories a little more lively. The 8 "because it has more beauty" had me thinking female, the "beauty" remark comes from the poster of the thread and not me. Sixteen may not be female from the title, as the title refers to a Stones song I happened to be listening to at the time: "Please allow me to introduce myself / I'm a man of wealth and taste...". No, the masculine/feminine/neuter gender trends won't necessarily be carried up or down scale; 21 may be male or neuter or something else. I think I am trying to impose order given dan's question. No this isn't an identity politics statement either. It's simply for levity. I do hope you enjoy the posts. This is simply a proof of concept for a particular audience that isn't necessarily on the forum, or at least active on it. It also happens to serve to illustrate the properties of other number bases for folks who'd like to see things for themselves (skeptics/sceptics). 
Posted by: icarus Aug 29 2012, 02:15 PM 
Folks, I've been able to take my multiplication tables from a print document and fold them into HTML so now I can produce tours of midscale bases pretty easily. I am working on a method of transferring Mathematica tables to Excel. When this happens I can produce any size table, though the notation won't be the same, instead it would be decimal coded. I think we can continue to explore the very high bases if desired. Others have written great pieces on other bases. This series will continue to expand in the same character as the previous essays, with links to the other conversations (i.e., tridecimal, base24, base22, etc.). This way this forum will eventually have the broadest such number base tour on the internet, if it isn't already so. I may revisit a few earlier threads and inject some new data so that they are on par with the latest essays. If there is anything (practical!) you'd like to add in the tour of each base, please suggest it. Again, the frequent posters on this site continue to influence me in seeing the "sights" to be seen in these number bases. Please don't wait till I cover a given base to chat about it. I can mention a "sight" and link to whatever conversation has been had about it in other threads, so that we have an integrated experience. I've written most of bases 9, 24, and 21; these will come next. I may try to write 60 or 120, but want to do my "experiment" first. As we push into September, I may not have much time to write, so the progress will be discontinuous. 
Posted by: icarus Aug 31 2012, 01:58 PM 
I've updated decimal, dozenal, and hexadecimal threads to show "regular figures", which are equivalent to "units" defined by Wendy Krieger at her "Number Theory 102" thread in the number theory forum. Also, I've added diagrams of patterns in the decimal, dozenal, and hexadecimal multiplication tables, and diagrams showing the relationship of the positive primes less than the base in the same threads. There is a limit to the size of posts and this has affected the hexadecimal thread the most. The usual format is interrupted, but the same data is linked from the introductory post. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 6 2012, 09:27 PM 
I've added some limited tours of "grand bases" 210, 240, and 360. These were laying around this summer in partial form when I was mulling over other matters and away from the forum. If you've got a "grand base" to inspect, I'll put it on the queue. I am producing base 2520 but that's experimental and we'll see what needs to be done to do it. Hopefully some of these might spark some debate. I think they are curiosities, mountains that are fun to climb but impractical places to live. Look at the tour menu, second post in this thread. 
Posted by: Dan Sep 7 2012, 12:34 AM 
While it may be a little too small to count as a "grand base", I'd like to see an analysis of Base 36, the highest base supported by the C http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdlib/strtol/ function (due to the convention of using 09 and AZ for digits), and coincidentally a highlycomposite number. 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 7 2012, 01:08 AM  
I would like to see 36, 40, 42, 48, 56, 60, 72 and 84 as possible midscale bases on the way to grand 120 and higher. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 7 2012, 02:41 AM 
I wrote about base 144 tonight, and it ties to many posts on this forum (Shaun, m1n1f1g et al.) in a cool way. Will do 100 too. These things tend to illustrate a tidbit, but aren't terribly useful. Then 36 will be next. I have tables for 36 and 60. I am not sure the board will handle the tables, but maybe I could split them. I've dispensed with the tables for "grand bases", but may circle back and do other things done for the small bases. A link to a PDF for bases larger than 40 or so might relieve the board of so many big tables. This stuff can fold over into indesign to be a big book of bases one day, that's exciting (to me). Indeed many of the bases Oshkar suggested are on the list. I had HCNs, and the "runner up" bases to the HCNs, I think they are {24, 30, 36, 48, 60, 72, 84, 90, 96, 120, 144, 168, 180} plus Wendy's/Triesaran's beneficialflank numbers {21, 34, 55, 99, 120} (doing from memory). Will add 42, 56. I'd written the full list on the menu post but commented them out. (it looked daunting! And I didn't want to promise and leave it stand) I also felt averse to starting a bunch of threads, only to have a "partial" set. Now I think we start threads and folks can comment and see patterns etc., with other info coming later. I think I'll start the bases off like the grand bases then fill in the details later. If you've written something about the bases please post a link to your discussions in the tour thread so people reach your thoughts, if I hadn't done that already. I am not as familiar with what happened between May and mid August this year, due to all the mulling on another nonnumberbase issue. (my midlife crisis, lol. Good thing: it's mostly over!) Any idea on a really big prime (between say 60 and 360), just to illustrate what many of these look like? I think 55 will serve as a really big semi prime. 
Posted by: Dan Sep 7 2012, 02:50 AM  
61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, 109, 113, 127, 131, 137, 139, 149, 151, 157, 163, 167, 173, 179, 181, 191, 193, 197, 199, 211, 223, 227, 229, 233, 239, 241, 251, 257, 263, 269, 271, 277, 281, 283, 293, 307, 311, 313, 317, 331, 337, 347, 349, 353, 359 Pick one. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Sep 7 2012, 07:50 AM 
70 has a place in there somewhere. This is the first abundant number that can not be represented as the sum of its divisors. Also, i am rather fond of it. It has, for example, among the squares, 2.00.01. 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 7 2012, 08:37 PM  
In this case, I'd choose 109, probably, for its intutive relationships with 108=2^2x3^3 and 110=2x5x11. It is not exactly the typical large prime base, but it is rather versatile for such a base. On the other hand, 173 is an example of the worst possible type of prime base, with 172=2^2x43 and 174=2x3x29 as neighbors. You could do both as contrasting bases. And I suggest that you separate 60 from 120. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 7 2012, 10:04 PM 
Oschkar: surely we will separate bases 60 and 120: that was a comparison and a standin till I get a proper page set up. I like the suggestion 109 and 173 for the very reasons you've described. The weird thing that occurred to me is with any composite, I can "shorten" the table by using two divisors. For the primes, the "shortening" will look odd, because the numbers don't have nontrivial integer divisors. I am trying to respect 30 cells as the maximum width, so might use some convenient number below that to "fold" the cells. Wendy: 70 is now on the list! 
Posted by: m1n1f1g Sep 8 2012, 11:16 PM  
What about complementary divisor method ("truncated") tables? I'd like to see what they're like in terms of size and memorability. 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 9 2012, 12:25 AM 
Very impressive, Icarus! (Yeah, mood's improved a bit the past few days ) I'm especially interested in the rundowns of those bases that have a relationship to the dozen: 6 (halfdozen; already here), 18 (dozen halfdozen, or as I call it, dozen ha'zen ), 24 (double dozen), 36 (triple dozen), 96 (octodoz?) etc. The last three I find intriguing because of the slight improvements (at an undeniable price, of course) they offer over dozenal, through their neighbour relations (96 is for the 240lovers who want something better than a primeflank but don't want to abandon the sixteenfold division). All in contrast to 18, that 'total loss' of neardozenal bases, which gains nothing and loses quite a lot. On another note, I think a comparison of 34 and 120 is warranted: together with their neighbour relationships, they offer the same factors:
and yet, they don't have the same utility. The diprime 34 is at a considerable disadvantage in comparison to the divisorrich 120. That's another case for the argument that handy neighbour relationships are no substitute for richness in divisors. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 9 2012, 02:05 AM 
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Posted by: Oschkar Sep 9 2012, 03:49 AM 
To me, the relationship between 21 and 22 looks a lot like the one between 14 and 15, only backwards, since 10, 14 and 22 are all manageable semiprimes. For example, like 10 uses the omega for 3, 14 the alpha, and 22 the omega again. Bases 10 and 14 both are compatible with 5, and 22 could use SPD to reduce the numbers with the alpha2, since duovigesimal 101=decimal 445 is divisible, and there are still only 88 multiples to memorize (easily reduced to 22 by subtracting multiples of duovigesimal 50). For 7, 14 has it as a divisor, and in 22 it is an omega inheritor, but in decimal, 7 is out of SPD reach (143 multiples of 7 less than the decimal thousand, and subtracting multiples of 70, or even of 98, is rather impractical for a 3 digit number). Although now that I think about it, the fact that 301 is so close to 300 could be used as an extension of SPD in decimal (not a neighbor of the square of the base, but of a multiple of it). To test for 7, instead of adjusting the remaining digits by what was added to the final 2, adjust them by triple that amount: 164472424704 1644724247 04+3=7 → 47+9=56 16447242 56 164472 42 1644 722=70 → 446=38 16 383=35 → 169=7 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 9 2012, 01:50 PM  
Good luck! But how are you going to squeeze the huge tables required for this monstrosity of a base into forum posts?
Compacting the number of SPD sequences, eh? Sounds good. I just wonder how far it could be carried. For base 22 it looks feasible, but I wonder about base 32, or the dozenal SPD test for 7 (which is based on *1001, the dozenal cubeα).
SDN stands for 'Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature', a comprehensive dozenal number naming scheme devised by Kodegadulo on this board; SPD stands for 'Split, Promote, Discard', a divisibility testing shortcut method stumbled upon by yours truly. Reminds me of that passage from the 1989 film Hunt for Red October: 'Pavarotti is a singer, Paganini was a composer'. 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 9 2012, 05:32 PM  
Thanks. Fixed. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 12 2012, 10:08 PM 
Added bases 60, 70, 72, and 84 this afternoon, in excitement over Wendy's comparison of 70 and 72. These will set the pace for the midscale bases. May still add some of the frills of the human scale bases, and will update the larger (grand) bases. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 15 2012, 01:42 PM 
Bases 90, 96, 108, and 120 have been added, along with the Midscale Mashup. These bases round out the upper midscale bases. These also incorporate SDN and a more canonical "common lexicon" name based on greek units and latin decades. Have a fine weekend! 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 15 2012, 05:29 PM 
Why are 18, 20 and 21 midscale bases? The multiplication tables have 171, 210 and 231 products, still within the reach of memorization, and divisibility tests still cover the majority of their digits. The primes 17 and 19 still have their uses, however rare they might be (19, for example, is used sometimes to pack pencils in a hexagon). The abbreviated multiplication tables of 22, 25 and 26 products are still in the senaryseptimal range, and the bases only have 6 or 4 factors, small bases for themselves. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 15 2012, 08:52 PM 
Oschkar, brilliant question and excellent thoughts! Let's debate it, see this http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=751. I really don't know the answer but the thread outlines my thoughts. I invite anyone to add their thoughts, because perhaps these classes don't make sense. They don't come from anywhere but here, so we can decide how to classify them. My concept of classes has to do with educating children to wield a number base, i.e., might this base actually stand as a civilizational number base. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 18 2012, 10:18 PM 
I've added bases 48, 80, and 112, as well as a midscale mashup of {32, 48, 80, 112}. These might be the last tour bases for a while as a large project is upon the office >yay<. Like ostmark loves, time to make some wampum! ( in increments of twelfty). 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 18 2012, 11:28 PM  
Pity, I was hoping bases 24 (doubledozen) and 36 (tripledozen) would make it into the tour. They and the long hundred are, IMO, the only alternatives I'd consider to dozenal for generalpurpose use. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 18 2012, 11:34 PM 
Oh, those bases will certainly make it in the tour. I have 32 partially done and just need to set it aside for maybe a week or so. There might be windows, but I also have family, etc. 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 24 2012, 02:18 PM  
Once they're in, the only dozenalmultiple base outside the tour will be 132 (levanunqual), admittedly a useless base (ω is prime, α is 7·19). I'd like to make, myself, a singlethread minitour of all dozenalmultiple bases up to *140 (unquadranunqual, unquadnilimal, 192) inclusive. But I'd better wait with that post till you've had your say on bases 24 and 36, because I don't do coloured tables so well. 
Posted by: icarus Sep 24 2012, 11:34 PM 
Treisaran, Shortly before the big crunch I was preparing two mashup threads. The first compared the first twelve multiples of the dozen. This was a lengthier mashup than the Midscale Mashup, comparing all twelve multiples in groups of similarity in this or that aspect. The thread has all the tables including binunqual, trinunqual, and levanunqual. We'll see if I can't finish it because the tough part was finished last week. Basically the thread considers bases that are integer multiples 12k with 0 <= k <= 12, In terms of intrinsic properties there are the groups k = {1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12} (2 distinct primes), {5, 7, 10, 11} (3 distinct primes). The extrinsic properties (neighbor factors) are also considered as well. 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 25 2012, 12:19 AM 
I find the dozenalmultiple bases interesting because not just because they're related to the dozen, but also because they have some interesting groupings:
I wouldn't go beyond 192, *140, 0xC0 in a survey, but there are some interesting multiples still, some of them already covered in your tour: 216 (cube, flanked by composites), 240 (primeflank), 300 (flanked by composites, first multiple of the dozen divisibly by the decimal hundred) and 360. 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 25 2012, 03:33 AM  
On a side note, I'd like to suggest base 64. Being a power of two, it might seem that it is lacking in diversity, but its neighbors are 3²×7 and 5×13, giving it an advantage over the first six primes, excluding 11 (but then again, only the multiples of 11 and their neighbors are fair to it).
All other poweroftwo bases, except eight, have large primes in their factorizations, which makes 64 a rather convenient base. The product of 63, 64 and 65, 262080, is the quadruple of the already suggested radix 65520, very close to a binary power and with 168 factors (an important base in itself, 2^3×3×7). 
Posted by: Treisaran Sep 25 2012, 02:53 PM  
Yes, probably the best base to choose if you're confined to a binary world to such a degree that you need to do all your calculations in it. (Hexadecimal isn't the product of so dire straits, it's just an auxiliary.)
Base 64 (*54, SDN pentquadral) enjoys the relationships that any sixth power does. There is a regularity for powers that can be obversed, and I assume also grounded in modular arithmetic:
Doubtless the list could go on for higher primes. For a number to have a relationship with all first six primes (2, 3, 5, 7, E, *11), you need to pick either a pentanunquate* (=sixtieth) power of a number (like 2↑*50, already astronomical) or a sixth power of a multiple of E (like 1X↑6). ─── * I assume 'pentanunquate' is the correct form on the basis of Kodegadulo's coinages 'binate' and 'trinate' to replace the confusing 'quadratic' and 'cubic' (for equations with a secondpower term and a thirdpower term, respectively). 
Posted by: icarus Sep 25 2012, 11:24 PM 
Oschkarthe other mashup isthe power of 2 mashup! This goes to 256. Nearly have the dozens mashup done, have to little pieces here and there. Next week I think Ill be double loaded, so won't be any progress there. 
Posted by: Oschkar Sep 30 2012, 10:04 AM  
There's always Windows, even when you use another operating system in your daily life, just like there's always decimal although you use a different number base. (Or, in icarus's, wendy's, or my case, all of them.) 
Posted by: Oschkar Oct 4 2012, 06:24 AM 
Small lowermid scale bases 17, 18, 19, 22, 24, those which Icarus has ignored up to this point. 17: A justbeyondmanageable prime with no uses that I know of (a heptadecagon can be constructed with a compass and straightedge, but is virtually never used in practice.) It has maximal expansions of 1/5, 1/7 and 1/11 (0.36da36da36..., 0.274e9c274e..., 0.194adf7c63...), but it is intimately familiar with the dozen, having 2⁵×3² as the omega2. There are 7 opaque totatives {5, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15}, and, although SPD can alleviate the 5situation, there's not much to do in heptadecimal. 18: There is something intriguing about octodecimal. Eighteen is an α²β type of base, like twelve or twenty, but the square factor is the larger prime in this case, something that does not happen again until 50. Because of this, base 18 acts more like 10 and 14 in some cases. but like 12 and 20 in others. 1/5 and 1/11 are maximally recurrent (0.3ae73ae73a..., 0.1b834g69ed...), and the neighbors are the useless primes 17 and 19. Base 18 has 6 divisors {1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 18} and 4 opaque totatives {5, 7, 11, 13} (once more, SPD helps with 5 and 13). The nondivisor regular digits {4, 8, 12, 16} are treated to short two or three digit expansions (somewhat like {4, 8} in bases 10 and 14), and the remaining digits {10, 14, 15} are semitotatives. 19: Another justbeyondmanageable prime, but a little bit friendlier on the neighbors. The omega2 is 360, a highly composite number. On the other hand, the alpha2 offers no help. 1/7 and 1/13 have maximal expansions. There are 5 opaque totatives {7, 11, 13, 14, 17}, and SPD is no help, since 362 is only a semiprime. 22: Duovigesimal is the divisibilitytest paradise, the first six primes have relationships with the square and the cube. It is a semiprime, like 10 and 14, but the elevenfactor causes all sort of strangeness. The divisors {1, 2, 11, 22} are few and far between, and all of the remaining regular digits are powers of two {4, 8, 16}. There are 3 alphainheritors {3, 7, 21}, but the 6 opaque totatives {5, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19} really hinder computation. The rest of the digits {6, 10, 12, 14, 18, 20} are semitotatives. 24: The diametrical opposite of 22 is 24, the double dozen. With eight divisors and a very useful relationship with the alpha, we are able to render {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 18, 20, 23} as «transparent», a full 62.5% of all digits. The remainder can be classified in two types, the «negatives» {14, 19, 21, 22} where the multiplication rows are the inverse of those of the transparent digits, and the «irrelevant» digits {7, 11, 13, 17}, two prime pairs. 
Posted by: Oschkar Oct 10 2012, 03:06 AM 
When are 17, 19, 22, 28, 32, 40 and 56 coming? And as weird bases go, I'd like to see 351, simple divisibility tests for 5 powers of 2, 3 powers of 3, 2 powers of 5, and 1 power of 7, 11, 13. 
Posted by: Treisaran Oct 10 2012, 05:51 PM  
Among what are called 'grand bases', I've recently thought about 2640 as offering a bit more bang for the buck than 2520: 2640 = 2↑4 · 3 · 5 · 11, with its ω = 7· 13 · 29, providing for all the primes needed for calendric use (I'm talking about a lunisolar calendar, not the Gregorian one with its prime 31 there to make matters so much more complicated). For those bases off the possibly beaten track (meaning, a track not necessarily beaten but which people might seriously consider beating), I think fullblown tour posts would be overkill; perhaps an 'Esoteric Bases' tour thread would serve here. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 10 2012, 10:01 PM 
Guys 351 was a weird base! I am afraid I am going to be absolutely slammed in the coming fortnight, plus I will be in NYC for a bit. There might not be too much action. Am in a permission gap (two projects held) and I think both will break loose with a rapid deadline. The American elections have likely caused a little vacuum in demand; now that these are coming up I might not be able to post quite as much. This said, the first bases on the tour were posted during heavy demand. So we'll see! 
Posted by: Treisaran Oct 17 2012, 03:00 PM 
I do hope you take those invitations as encouragement rather than pestering, Icarus. I'm looking forward to what you've got to say about base 2, because of your contention that it's an exceptional base in so many ways. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 17 2012, 09:23 PM 
No I do not take it as pestering, we are all curious! I am in new York thru Sunday and will see next week. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 15 2012, 01:50 AM 
First post in four days! I'm just going to remind Icarus of bases 22, 32, 40, 50, 56, 64, 99. Will they be published here or on your number base website? 
Posted by: icarus Nov 15 2012, 03:20 AM 
Oschkar, I've been writing a very extensive compendium of definitions, which will stand as independent pages, then get boiled down into a glossary that will serve as a basis for what is the tour here. The tour pages will have expanded coverage. The intuitive divisibility tests will factor in practicality, and a full range of transparent numbers can be described. The new CSS is getting very colorful! The best thing is that diagrams will be integrated in the work, communicating concepts in more than one way. I'm also re examining nomenclature (semidivisor vs. quasidivisor, regular figure vs. regular root, etc.). I have an active project with a deadline in a couple weeks and have had to lay it aside. I believe the American debt ceiling is damming up a great deal of demand potentially so will be blitzing the number base project in December. This has consumed my attention unfortunately. We'll see if I can put out a couple units. The good thing is that the resources built here are applicable to the number base project. 
Posted by: dgoodmaniii Nov 15 2012, 02:38 PM 
Have you considered compiling all of this, and expanding it somewhat, into a book? You've got enough material for a big fat volume, the 800 (that's eight biqua, of course) pound gorilla of the field. It'd serve as the mandatory textbook for alternate base work in colleges. I honestly think this would be a great, if heavy, project. 
Posted by: Treisaran Nov 15 2012, 03:48 PM  
Good, hope it doesn't get too hard to distinguish between the many colours. While I'm about it, why not see to devising distinctive crosshatch patterns? They wouldn't be needed on the Web, but they would for print (my laser printer is monochrome). 
Posted by: icarus Nov 17 2012, 03:50 AM 
I don't think the colors will ever be used in the same work. We have the colors you are familiar with, the red divisors, orange rich regulars, yellow semicoprimes, and gray coprimes. The pale blue and aqua omega and alpha factors become fullbore blue and aqua in divisibility test maps. Essentially we have several kinds of regular number. All regular numbers are products restricted to the prime divisors of the base (or simply the number 1, which we call a unit on account of its special status as both a divisor and coprime to the base, and neither prime nor composite). We can divide the regular numbers four ways. Regulars that divide the base evenly are divisors, those that are non divisors are called rich regulars. Regulars less than or equal to the base are digits; the others are non digits and they are all rich regulars. Rich regular digits, i.e., nondivisor regular digits are called semidivisors. If we look at regular numbers as a product of a regular root gamma and a power of the base, then we have three possible classes: regular roots (regular numbers that are not multiples of the base, e.g., "2" vs. the family {20, 200, 2,000, } or "125" vs. {1,250, 12,500, 125,000, }) regular compounds (like the numbers in families just mentioned as counterexamples of regular roots), and pure powers of the base (by this I mean nonnegative integer powers of the base, I am not being as rigorous as I normally am in writing this, so as to be brief). All the regular digits that are not the base itself are regular roots (I called regular roots "regular figures", what Wendy calls "units"). The trivial divisors and any nonnegative integer power of the base are obviously pure powers. The concept of regular root helps to make the range of practical regular numbers finite in some cases (not in the case of prime power bases). There are practical and impractical regular roots and powers of bases. So this produces many flavors of regular numbers, not all are of interest generally. There are kinds of coprimes, we all know and love them. The types have to do with dividing the neighbors evenly. So there are alphas, omegas, and each have factors, alpha factors and omega factors. In base ten, we have the alpha 11 and the omega 9; the only neighbor factor of interest is the nontrivial omega factor 3. Then there are products of alpha and omega factors called alphaomega factors, thus in base ten we have {33, 99}. The number 2 in odd bases is a factor of both alpha and omega, but it is more efficient simply to consider it omega factor. A coprime that is not a factor of the neighbors is opaque. A coprime that is a digit is called a totative. All neighbor factors have practical intuitive divisibility tests; they are never impractical. Neighbor factors have practical reptends but the multiples of these unit reptends may be impractical to keep in mind. We then have semicoprimes, composite numbers that have at least one prime divisor of the base and at least one prime coprime to the base as factors. Generally any semicoprime is the product of a regular component and a coprime component. Practicality is a concern of the regular component, while neighborrelatedness is a concern of the coprime portion. Concerning the coprime portion, we have alpha semicoprimes (aka alpha inheritors), omega semicoprimes, and alphaomegasemicoprimes. In odd bases, we have evensemicoprimes that are always neighborrelated. Each of these is practical or impractical dependent on the regular component. A semicoprime digit is called a semitotative. Since embarking on the fundamental portion of the website, the regular numbers have received a lot of attention, solidly integrating the concept of regular roots and the compound nature of regular numbers (when these are not compound, i.e., prime, one of the factors , the regular root or the power of the base, equals 1. When the regular number is 1, then both are 1). This affected what we'd called inheritors, which really are semicoprimes via the notion of practicality. Practicality itself is a weird thing to define because it isn't fully arithmetic in nature. It's cognitive, so what we deem practical really is provisional until we have scientific research. But we can make a consistent computation of it provided these standin assumptions and then compare apples to apples. Practicality in divisibility tests is governed by the multiplicative complement to regular root, in the number of combinations less than the power of the base whose exponent is the regular root's richness (what I called remoteness). With some regular IDTs, we can reduce this range through "range folding", exhibited by the decimal test for divisibility by 8. Range folding can make some regular IDTs practical, but it is only applicable to powers or certain products of {2, 3}, maybe 5. Curiosly, in bases that are semiprimes like ten, the upper divisor has a larger range of practical powers. In base ten, the fourth power of 5 has a practical regular IDT (there are only 16 combinations; as these are the multiples of the decimally expanded 16th, they are relatively well known) but the fourth power of two is opaque (625 combinations, range folding is not practical, since it is easier to actually divide continually by 2 to determine divisibility by 16). So all this new stuff is going in to the work. As I wrote, fortunately not all of these distinctions are useful at any one time. 
Posted by: Treisaran Nov 17 2012, 11:07 PM 
Sounds very comprehensive, Icarus. And I like the new, distinctive names like 'rich regular' to distinguish from 'divisor' and 'semidivisor', which are exclusively digits of the base. One expansion of the coprimes category has cropped up on the boards in the context of the dozenal divisibility test for 5: the powerneighbour. It generalises the rules of the neighbours to multiple digits, though its practicality depends, much like rich regulars, on remoteness. We know that for every prime p that is not a divisor or neighbour of a certain number n, the number n to the power (p−1)/2 will have a neighbour that divides p. So, if a number does not have 7 as its divisor or neighbour, we can be sure its 3rd power (ie cube) will have a neighbour divisible by 7. All powerneighbours allow compaction of the number to prepare it for divisibility testing. For example, any number not near enough to being a multiple of E will have a relation to E through its 5th power (see above rule), which will allow us to sum groups of 5 digits or subtract the sums of alternating 5digit places according to the powerneighbour relationship. However, this is of little use practically speaking, because a number would have to be more than 5 digits long to benefit from compaction, and even then the remaining 5digit number would need a universal test (long division, placeholder et cetera). In decimal, the potentially helpful powerneighbours are the cubeω 999 = 3↑3·37 and the cubeα 1001 = 7·11·13. We can use the former relationship to test for the third power of 3 by summing groups of three digits, then testing the compacted number, but this would be of little help; it would be far simpler to divide the tested number by 3, then test the result for divisibility by 9 using the digitsum test. Likewise, a number to be tested for divisibility by 7 or 13 can be compacted down to three digits by successively subtracting the last three digits from all the rest, or by subtracting the sums of alternating 3digit places. Again, this is only a slight aid. It looks as if dozenal really hits the jackpot with a complete divisibility test using a powerneighbour relationship. Viewing again the rule above, it is inevitable that the square of base dozen should have a neighbour divisible by 5, but it is not inevitable that there should be few enough 2digit multiples below the gross to be memorised. SPD is like the practical tests for rich regular numbers in that it is operative only below a certain memorisation threshold; the main difference is SPD tends to reach it much faster than the regular tests do, hence its rarity (beside dozenal, octal is probably the only other usable base that benefits from SPD). Still, given the way SPD brings the hitherto totally opaque totative 5 into the dozenal fold (at least as far as divisibility tests go, not so for fractions unfortunately), I think the category of powerneighbours is worth a mention in your work. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 18 2012, 02:46 AM 
Treisaran, indeed these are important. I think they are not as immediately apparent as omega and alpha. They would be mentioned in an article about dozenal simply because they ameliorate the five problem twelve has. I think through the Dozenal test for fivefoldness, base twelve has an appropriately evident and easily taught test for the third prime. Indeed I do not think alpha is immediately apparent in decimal. I don't know if most folks know the test for elevenfoldness but the "stuttering" in the multiplication table is evident. Systemically, alpha is evident across many bases. But you are right, power neighbors merit attention. It's funny, it's taken a month to get to basic things, and I don't know if I've fully explained the basic things. The basic things look pretty complex so they must be made basic, but in order to get to that point, we have to take it to the top first like a painter does his art before we can pare it down to essentials. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 18 2012, 08:53 AM 
There is an interesting pattern with bases 8, 13 and 18, which have relatively factorable betas of 65=5×13, 170=2×5×17 and 325=5²×13. Unfortunately, the pattern isn’t continued into bases 23 and 28, but coincidentally, bases 8, 13 and 18 also have decent psis: 63=3²×7, 168=2³×3×7. (Yes, I know that the psi is the product of the alpha and omega, but still...) In fact, tridecimal has memorable tests for the first seven primes except 11. I wouldn’t use this as a treizenalist argument, only an interesting curiosity, because base 13 fails at everything else (no useful divisors, all fractions repeating except powers of 13...). Actually I think this strengthens the case for the 101214 base triangle. SPD is useful, but it is suboptimal, especially considering that three of every five bases have a simpler test for five. Seven, on the other hand, is only remotely reachable by SPD, and eleven even further (this really complicates divisibility up to eleven). In decimal, for example, to test for seven through the regular SPD test, one would have to promote groups of three digits to a multiple of 7. By coincidence, decimal 301 is divisible by 7, so you could promote groups of two digits and correct the rest by triple the amount. Dozenal is the same, only instead of triple, correct it by the double in the opposite direction, and tetradecimal has seven as a factor. For eleven, decimal has it as its alpha, dozenal as its omega, and tetradecimal has it as a factor of the terribly inconvent 601 (1177 decimal). However, casting off 98’s in decimal and 102’s (decimal 198) in tetradecimal is a quite intuitive way of grabbing hold of seven and eleven. 
Posted by: Treisaran Nov 18 2012, 03:39 PM  
Icarus, from the standpoint of number theory, I might venture to make two sweeping generalisations:
We could call the first large grouping 'modulo0 based tests' and the second large grouping 'modulo1 based tests'. What makes one test special and another test unremarkable is its ease of application, which in turn is usually a function of its closeness to a number we consider 'round' in the base. So the powerneighbour tests for 5 and 7 in dozenal, based on *101 and *1001 being multiples of 5 and 7 respectively, are more special than the trimright tests for them, based on *21 and 2E (for 5) and on *41 and 2E (for 7), because the powers *100 and *1000 are rounder than the multiples *20, *30 and *40.
Only 9 (which has an unhelpful cubeω relation to the base) and B (dozenal E, decimal 11) are opaque in ununimal. 2, 3, 4 and 6 benefit from the proximity to dozen, getting them the digitsum test; 7 gets the alternating digit sum difference test from the neighbour upstairs; 5 uses SPD as in dozenal; and 8, like the one additional binary power in all odd bases, is a squareω inheritor and can therefore be tested for after compacting the tested number down to two digits by summing up pairs of digits. I find the two neighbours of dozenal interesting to compare for their divisibility tests, because they're slightly different even though they both leech off their highly composite neighbour. In levimal, 3, 4 and 6 are tested with the alternating digit sum difference test; 2 and 5 get the digitsum test; 7 and 9 are opaque (they're cubeα and cubeω inheritors, respectively); 8 gets the paired digitsum compaction option. To summarise, the dozenal factors are easier to test for in ununimal than in levimal, except 2, which in odd bases is always both ω and α and therefore of the same difficulty; 5 is significantly harder in ununimal, while 7 is out of reach in levimal; 8 is of the same difficulty in both, and 9 is opaque in both. Naturally, there's no import to this comparison beyond its value as a curio. A base rich in divisors is always preferable, and dozenal gives us divisors in spades while leaving only the prime 7 opaque, which is no big loss. The comparison also brings to mind another comparison, between octal and unquadral, which highlights the difference between theoretical and practical benefits. Except for eleven, opaque in both, the first six primes and 9 differ greatly, with octal having tests for 3 (alternating), 5 (SPD), 7 (digitsum), 9 (alternating) and *11 (SPD), while unquadral has tests for 3 and 5 (both digitsum) but leaves 7, 9 and *11 (0xD) opaque (they're all cubeω inheritors). Does this make octal better than unquadral for divisibility testing? I don't think so. For practical purposes we need no more than the first three primes to be covered; since octal and unquadral both have that coverage, they now compete on ease of application, and here unquadral wins, offering the easy digitsum test while octal needs the harder alternatingdigits test for 3 and even harder SPD test for 5. Of course, for coverage of the first three primes, one might opt for the divisor relationship for all of them, which brings us to 30 and its multiples. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 19 2012, 08:56 AM 
What is generally useful is a 'preferred interval', rather than short periods. A preferred interval means that the periods divide a common small number (like 4 or 6), and that the various products of these primes thus divide a short period. In this list, i include the factors of the base to give completeness. These contribute to the preperiod. For example, in (note * should read **)
Another interesting thing is that when one uses omega2 sums in bases like 68 and 200, the possible number of sums that a regular number comes to is much smaller. Even in 20, the sums come to one of these eighteen 0.1, 0.2, 0.4, 0.5, 0.8, 0.10, 0.16, 1.5, 1.12, 2.10, 2.13, 3.4, 5.6, 5.13, 6.8, 6.11, 10.12, 12.16, and their reversals (eg 5.1 or 16.0). For base 200, a similar process gives 198 possibilities. Even in base 120, the single place sum of the powers comes down to just 48 possibilities out of the 96 available (less 16 mulitoples of 7 and 6 multiples of 17, and one of both). One can not really tell that twelve's relative usefulness comes from its particular factors. 12 has a pretty tight 'opposition', in that the recriprocals of regulars are about the same size as the regulars themselves. But then 56 and 72 have this. It's also pretty small, and the power of 2 is the larger of the two primepowers to make it. 
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Posted by: Treisaran Nov 19 2012, 01:13 PM  
Both are subjective terms. I only objected to 'intuitive' because it implies a elementary schooler can discover the test all on his own, which I think holds true only for the divisor, semidivisor and placeholder* tests. Even the digitsum wouldn't occur to a young child except as a fluke. 'Practical' sounds better, but it's still subjective. The problem here is deciding what the upper threshold of practicality is. I consider the number of twodigit multiples to be memorised for the SPD test for 5 in base 18 to be over the threshold, but others like Oschkar have disputed this. Who's right? Since it's subjective, we may both be. We can safely call a test 'impractical' only when the consensus as to its impracticality is overwhelming.
SPD is an involved test; perhaps easy enough once you get the required multiples memorised, but it still hasn't got the same outofhand usability to it as the digitsum and alternatingdigits tests. The only thing that makes it worthy of note is that, finally, finally, after a long time trying to get the prime 5 into the dozenal fold in various ways, we've got a complete test for 5 in dozenal. I might say SPD is remarkable in a 'world's tallest midget' kind of way. ───────── * The placeholder test is the one where you test divisibility by seeing if the tested number is the sum of two known multiples. For example, decimal 238 divides by 7 because it is the sum of 210 and 28, both known to be multiples of 7 from the basic multiplication table. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 19 2012, 07:03 PM 
In the work, I attempt to measure the quantity of practical tests, etc. and resort to defining "intuitive" as including only the regular, alpha, omega, and their compounds as such. Practicality is similarly defined by a definition. We indeed would need scientific research, the messy, iterative, empirical type that involves the resources of a multitude to conduct. The "intuitive" tests would be so to educated young adults, so that these would be used in their work. Many adults use the rules of 3 and 9 and the regular tests in a way that they are not necessarily conscious of. Practicality would concern the feasibility of teaching children how to use the tests. This sets the bar rather low! I am not saying that kids have to understand it coming into the subject, but that the kids would need to be able to be taught and to retain the knowledge so that further lessons can build to new topics in math. The whole subject of elementary arithmetic would have to "fit" into the 4 or so year long period in grade school. This is another reason why bases larger than 16 (maybe even including 16!) are not "human scale", and why it is important to have a base in the human scale. It is the very argument or constraint I've done a very good job of ignoring when we consider bases like 20, 24, or 60, etc. There is a way to sneak around the barrier, i.e., using decimal coded sexagesimal, etc. We'd simply teach a different set of algorithms and that might fit into the school box. If we teach arithmetic for too long, we will delay subsequent topics and "set back" society because we haven't addressed algebra till age 16. This is why bases between about 7 and at most (and I am trying hard to be nice to the hexadecimalists) 16, possibly certain decimal coded bases and quinary coded vigesimal are likely the only practical bases to teach. In recent weeks I am thinking that the practical bases to teach civilizationally really are very limited: {7, 8, (9), 10, (11), 12, 14, 20 via 4:5, 60 via 6:10, maybe 120 via 12:10}, that they might even be as limited as {8, 10, 12, 14, 4:5, 6:10} (I have to say 4:5, 6:10 because these were civilizational bases, but I think these are alien to the way we do things now). Clearly out of this range the dozen stands out as offering the most support for human arithmetic, decimal a decent second, followed by 8 and then 14, the two rather close to one another, rather much less practical than decimal. With octal we have problems with compression but they are not unmanageable, we have alphadominance and SPD for 5. With tetradecimal we have more static with opaque totatives but the scale is not yet unmanageable. Hexadecimal simply seems too laden with opaque totatives and a massive magnitude; I think we're in 5th grade learning our digit{7, 9, 11, 13} multiplication facts while the decimal and dozenal worlds are applying these in geometry and early algebra. Every other number base seems impractical in education or application, with too little compression, insufficient patternrecognition support for arithmetic, or massive arithmetic tables. I do think the dozenal SPD test would be taught in grade school in a duodecimal society. It is rather simple, and the multiples of 5 would be common knowledge as the multiples of 7 are in decimal. Thankfully, base 12 is humanscale and fully within the grasp of human cognitive capacity. So I think that one can grasp the dozenal multiples of 5 less than one gross through a sort of range folding: 00 05 0a 13 18 21 26 2b 34 39 42 47 50 55 5a 63 68 71 76 7b 84 89 92 97 a0 a5 aa b3 b8 in effect all we need is what we would have learned in 2nd grade: the multiples of 5 in the multiplication table, then recognizing that the pattern repeats every five dozen. With this we can construct the required range until it stands on its own. I don't think SPD for 5 would prove as prominent as the decimal rules for 3 and 9 (the omega IDT), but I do think it would find enough use to be common knowledge among young adults moving into their professions in a duodecimal civilization. It would be the "rule of 5". 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 20 2012, 07:40 AM 
A preferred interval comes when you get a large omega that is still managable, and has lots of useful primes in it. What you get is something like ;abcd or ;abcdef with lots of useful primes in it. In decimal, one has 1/7 as 0.142857 1/11 = 0.090909, and 1/77 as 0.012987. The sixplace period has a lot of more useful factors than other shorter or longer periods, and it's pretty much about the only decent choice. In base 16, (which is an eighth period), the threeplace and fiveplace periods vye for attention, eg 3*3*5*7*13, and 3*5*5*11*31*41, but it's hard to pick from one or the other. Base 18 (3: 7*7*7*17 vs 4: 5*5*13*17*19) vye for attention so it doesn't have a preferred interval either. Very few bases as sucg do have preferred intervals. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 20 2012, 04:13 PM 
Just a weird anecdote I had. I was looking for properties of base 18 and then for the rest of the day I found myself thinking in octodecimal completely. I hadn't realized it until I found myself counting "five, ten, trick, twenteen, seventeen, twelfteen,..." (yes, that's what I called them). Just makes me realize how much time I spend with other bases. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 21 2012, 06:52 AM  
Lucky you. I usually doodle in bases 14 and 22, and sometimes 70. 
Posted by: Treisaran Nov 21 2012, 06:05 PM  
This is very interesting, Icarus, the issue of teachability. Decimal is so ingrained that it's strange yet enlightening to think how elementary arithmetic would be taught in another base. Again I can only appreciate how relatively fortunate we are to have settled on decimal as a nondozenal base. In the entire humanscale range, putting odd bases out of consideration, ten is truly the second best. The alpha relationship you have to 3 in octal and unbinal makes things too hard. The importance of 3, the major reason for the existence of dozenalism, makes the digitsum test a minimum requirement. Having an alternatingdigits test is acceptable for 5 (as in base *20), but not for 3. For fractions, even the singledigit thirds of decimal aren't good enough, so the twodigit thirds of bases 8 and *12 would be simply intolerable. Regarding the tables for SPD:
I'm for such range folding as a scaffold, to be used until you've memorised the table straight out. There must, however, be some upper limit beyond which the scaffold becomes permanent. I think I could memorise the basic multiplication table row of 5 in base *28 (2↑5), but never the entire extended block of a bit over two hundred 2digit multiples. Hmm, looks like I'm set to agree with Oschkar that base *16 can use the SPD test for 5 after all. But I'm not interested in memorising it, just as I haven't memorised the small (smaller than dozenal) SPD table for 5 in octal. I value SPD for being, as you said, the 'rule of 5' in dozenal. Apropos, your Dozenal FAQs contain the note that the inability to test for divisibility by 5 'bugs' you. That section could probably do with an update. When you have the time and inclination, of course. Another note: I decided on the name 'SPD' to stand for 'Split, Promote, Discard', the three operations involved, as a descriptive initialism that, as it were, includes the manual in the tool itself. Formally the particular SPD test for dozenal could be called the Abbreviated SquareAlpha Test, and SPD in general could be called the Abbreviated PowerAlpha Test. As I have noted elsewhere, there exist SPD tests based on poweromega relationships, but they make things harder rather than easier; the powerω invites you to sum groups of digits, nice and easy, so no SPD needed. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 21 2012, 08:59 PM 
Treisaran, Indeed I think that it wouldn't be long, after a period of application, that someone might memorize the multiples of five in a dozenal civilization. I used to work as a custodian aide in college; I grew up in an industrial town. In the biomechanical department at the hospital and the maintenance shop during my high school and college summers, I noticed the guys simply knew their 16ths, 32nds, and 64ths. Especially in the machine shop. These are usually the same guys that tell you they didn't want to be in school after high school, completely disinclined to the classroom, yet they knew 64 multiples of .015625! (To be sure, though, the shops had a big chart with these multiples printed out). These guys would tell you they weren't "book smart" but knew their multiples because it was a matter of course in their work; fractions of an inch, something practical for them. We wouldn't say that 64 is a practical regular number; I don't think we'd teach young kids the multiples of 1/64. I think we could rely on them to know the eighths after a few years in school, maybe have a feeling for the 16ths. I think 8 is the limit of practicality for powers of 2 in decimal. This doesn't mean people simply don't get and can't reach larger regulars like 64. It simply means that a young kid in school wouldn't be able to handle memorization. In the course of a profession, some things are handy to know, thus "impractical" regulars like 64 fall into use. Surely the multiples of 5 less than 144 (only 28 such, a figure that falls within the range of practicality in my estimation) is not beyond acquisition by memory through use. I think the dozenal SPD for 5 is practical. I don't know if the 64 multiples of 5 less than 324 in base 18 is practical, but we can rangefold the 5 table to reach that figure (it's just that I think that base 18 is beyond practicality in memorizing the arithmetic tables). Truly, no work introducing dozenal should stand without this rule mentioned, because it fills a key gap in the utility of base twelve. With the SPD for 5, or the "rule of 5", we can't get a compound rule for {10, 15, 20, 30, 40, 45, 55, 60, etc.}. The rule of five simply renders dozenal even more powerful. So if it doesn't really appear anywhere in the FAQs, they deserve to be updated. Most of my pondering happens in very large bases, but I usually use dozenal and sexagesimal for things like counting laps, etc. while swimming. I use dozenal massively nearly daily in my work, as it is a handy way of manipulating (US Customary) dimensions, which I use daily. I use sexagesimal also in the computation of fees and other things. I am fond of tetradecimal because it is awkward and serves as a sort of analogy for decimal. The "pondering" normally is restricted to integers, but sometimes involves fractions especially of regular numbers. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 22 2012, 08:32 AM 
One can learn a great list of useful numbers, and retain them some time. For example, i did a lot of calculations on fourfunction calculators, so i set the equations up to use the shortchord (the chord of a triangle, bounded by two edges), of the regular polygons. The shortchords for 37, 10, and 12 are usually given to 12 digits. One of the bits of magic one can weave with an SWS system is to take something like "Btuinch / sq foot hr degF", and reduce it to the swscoherent measure with little fuss. Each of these units equate to a number in sws, so that unit is simply an equation in numbers, eg 6d6. 3 / 9d2 1d5 1d4 = 2d5. d = exponent duodecimal. I use the tiof in twelfty to do this. This is the sort of magic that an sws in a highfactor scheme does. The current duodecimal version lines up the units in a pretty tight scale, while still allowing things like 1/16, so it nearly gets the advantages of 16 (where the regulars are actually powers of the base). There are also useful conversion points, and ratios, which means that you can look at metric or imperial figures, and simply convert the number at duodecimal, although not always at the radix. For example, the pressure given in millibars convert into dbo (my sws scheme), by supposing that 1013 mb is 101.3, gives 85;4 add 1/20; to get 89; gives 890; mbars (DD). Minutes are converted at 10 min = 10; min DD, Because bdo passes through metric at nearly the dm, kg values, many of the handy values convert at that ratio (eg 183 cm = 18.3 = 16;4 gives 164 bc or 6 ft 1 inche.) This sort of trick allows you to read regular instruments and get conversions. My previous conversion tables were based on giving decimal expansions of metric or imperial units to many places. Now it takes this form Metrics are rounded to the c ton : 1 us 25/28 m 100 t = 125/126 ton 6/5 us 15/14 m 1 t = 25/21 cwt ditto 50c = 25/21 stone 9/10 7c = 1 pound 9/7 500 g = 10/7 ounce 28/27 25 g = 6/7 dram 3/5 * 1.25 g = 3/7 exact 539/540 * 385/384 m = 203/205 troy: ounce = 16/15 m 30 g = 1 drachm = 4/3 m 3 g = 1 dwt = 16/15 m 1.5 g = 1 scruple = 4/3 m = 1 ounce / c = 32/25 m = 6/5 mg carat = 64/75 m = 4/5 200 mg grain = 4/3 m = 1 50 mg mite = 8/5 m = 24/25 mg exact 99/100 metric = 7308/7175 c = 100 in the unit, either 100 units, or unit divided into 100. so c ton is a hundred tons (120 TW, 100 ME or BI). This is read as a BI stone is 9/10 of the twelfty stone, but if you want a more exact value, you have to multiply it by 539/540. The conversions happen from the nearest unit to the nearest unit, avoiding any preferential base unit. So weight say of 108 kgs (or c chogs), is converted into 15 st 6 lbs ME, which gives 15 st 8 lb TW. 
Posted by: Paul Rapoport Jan 5 2013, 03:55 AM 
Le tour des bases est vraiment la tour . . . If only I had the time to go through it all. The setup of the relatively low bases after 12 reminds me of music written in equal temperaments other than 12, a subject I've had a fair amount of involvement with over the past decades. Easley Blackwood wrote music in 13 to 24 and wrote about those tunings, demolishing received opinion about most of them. I have no idea whether we'd have a rapprochement. Although I've devised principles for the best notation for a very large number of equal temperaments, I doubt that they'd benefit from a numbersheavy approach, especially if one tries to maintain centric pitch organization (tonal/modal widely interpreted), which implies a clear first principle that necessarily biases the notation. I've written music in 19equal, 31, and 25, with a few bars in 13 (and 12, of course). Although equal temperaments are by no means the only way to go outside 12, they provide many surprises in their basic setup and their harmonic relations, partly because of their completely transposable enharmonicities. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 5 2013, 12:26 PM 
Paul, Thanks! The tour is intended to be a resource against which we can test our statements regarding duodecimal or any other base. If most of our argument is based on number theory (arithmetic), we have logic on our side. Some of the argument has to do with human cognition, which requires scientific research. Some of the human cognition argument is evident through observation. If we stick with the arithmetic algorithms and positional notation we are used to, then the bases up to about 20 are "wieldable". The "word length problem" restricts us to bases above 6 or 7, but the loss of compression below decimal makes us reluctant to settle for any base smaller than ten. The implicit duration of elementary instruction in arithmetic seems to restrict us to bases 16 or less (and I think the bases between 7 and 14 represent the range of tolerable duration of instruction: 16 seems to have us learning multiplication for two and a half years, so a total of 5 years, meaning all one's primary school, we're only achieving basic arithmetic). Within the range of bases 7 to 14, dozenal is evidently the most richly patterned base, working with human pattern recognition faculties, facilitating the acquisition and practice of arithmetic. With base 16, we might say that we could use duplation and mediation to calculate, as it is "natural" in a base that is 2^2^2. I am unsure whether this approach to arithmetic at the scale of our current civilizational level of development would be as efficient as our mnemonic multiplication. If D&M is as efficient or nearly so, then hexadecimal is part of the range {714, 16}. my guess is that D&M is akin to the complementary divisor method of multiplication, dividing a single problem into parts, this division seems inefficient. Also hexadecimal might be buoyed if we redesigned numerals to resemble their binary values. Then the numerals aid arithmetic. This is why I have not written off base 16 as a "human scale base". So I consider the range 716 "human scale". Hexadecimal is also buoyed by its neighbor 15 = 3 * 5, giving it transparency for {3, 5, f} to multiplicity = 1, and products of powers of two with these neighbor factors. But transparency is no substitute for having those small primes as factors. Hexadecimal is depressed by "putting all its eggs in one basket", i.e., being a prime power. It suffers a paucity of regular numbers, which are the font of a richly patterned base. Any way you look at it, hexadecimal is an interesting base. With decimal, it is not optimum but it is buoyed by the neighbor relationship with 9, which grants decimal good transparency for the "skipped" prime 3, its commonly encountered product 6, and its square 9. Because of this, and the "native" properties (compact size, relatively small prime factors) I think it is second best. Duodecimal represents the convergence of several small cycles, leaving it in a "void", i.e., with prime neighbors. So its strength is concentrated its "native" properties. The patterns and brief representations of product cycles and expansions of unit fractions of small integers overcomes the relatively poor handling of small primes that do not divide twelve evenly. The patterning is a great aid to human arithmetic, making it easy to acquire and exercise. I think it's neat to take a look at different scales, even very large ones. If we admit mixed radix representation, we might see that decimal coded sexagesimal and base 120, or quinary coded vigesimal are only about as difficult as hexadecimal, maybe more meritorious to use than base 16. The studies, like your own studies of music in scales other than 12 and this of others, only contribute to one's understanding of how scales work/affect music or arithmetic. At the least, they act as a foil for work in a favorite base of choice, especially if that base is optimized. The tour is intended for reference, so if you're interested, read it now and then. No one has to read every post or read the range like a book. This way it's more like a dictionary or encyclopedia. 
Posted by: Oschkar Mar 27 2013, 03:53 AM 
J'attends désespérément le nouveau site du Tour des Bases depuis deux mois... 
Posted by: Treisaran Mar 27 2013, 11:43 AM 
Censeo Icarum occupatum esse, quoniam multas dies in foro non postavit. 
Posted by: Oschkar Mar 27 2013, 08:37 PM 
I was going to try to write a comment in Hebrew, but I really couldn't find any grammar references to guide me... 
Posted by: Dan Mar 28 2013, 12:08 AM  
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. 
Posted by: icarus Jun 19 2013, 12:18 PM 
Folks we are coming out of the darkness. Have had to do some business development, then have had a surge of work that commanded all my time. Still about a week from when I can return. There is a lot to read in the forum. Hope all are well. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jun 19 2013, 07:49 PM  
I was about to write a suitably Icarian overview of bases 17, 19, 34, 55, 64, 99 and 2520, thinking that you wouldn’t return to the Forum. At least I’m glad to see that you’re back. Also, my Argam Kinsevoctove extension is done. 
Posted by: icarus Jun 19 2013, 09:09 PM 
Oschkar, There is no prohibition for you to do so, actually! I am very interested in your argam extension! I have one big job moving out and a less intensive job starting, then it seems quiet. So next month will resume the production of numberbases.com. I'd spent about a month of cutup time on polychora. It seems whenever I am rebooting my affection for number bases, I go through polychora first. There, I see Wendy's name and contributions. 
Posted by: icarus Jul 4 2013, 03:40 PM 
The tour is expanded to cover the "prime detective" bases http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=973, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=974, and http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=975. Check out the http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=621&view=findpost&p=22006428 for other recentlyadded bases like http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=972 and http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=968. This covers the "prime detectives" {15, 21, 34, 55, 99, 120, ...} and the primes {5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, ..., 173}. 
Posted by: anirudhk Aug 24 2013, 05:40 AM 
Icarus, when will the tours for 2, 3, and 4 be over? I'm especially eager to see your tour for base 4. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jun 6 2014, 05:15 AM 
*bump* 
Posted by: icarus Jun 7 2014, 01:02 AM 
We'll get to them when vacation is over. 
Posted by: PiotrGrochowski Jul 17 2014, 12:20 PM  
Oh, i need a link for base 3! 
Posted by: icarus Nov 19 2014, 10:22 PM 
I've updated the http://www.numberbases.com/essay/MultiplicationSynopsis.pdf to include tables for each base between 2 and 60 inclusive. Note, this is a 30Mb PDF. It includes the Lamadrid Base Nomenclature system and some material on squares, along with an explanation of argam used in the transdecimal bases. An abridged version of this document appears at www.dozenal.org and is the usually most popularly downloaded document there. It has flaws in bases in the 20s, 30s, and 40s since the tables were produced "by hand". The version there will also be corrected very soon. I am working on writing algorithms so that the Tour des Bases can be reproduced at the website as accurately and completely as possible. (I find I can't link folks to these posts.) The scripts will be unified so that one can produce all the bases in a Mathematica notebook fully algorithmically. I am working on a large format poster of the digit maps (arithmetic relationship tables) that includes all bases between 2 and 2520. This was started in June but set aside. There will be a limited print run and the posters will be available in 2015. The posters may be available when the numberbases.com site is finished. (i.e., when the North American continent collides into Japan, whichever comes first). 
Posted by: Piotr Aug 9 2015, 07:02 PM 
Posting it in category NonDozenal bases is completely misleading. This topic also describes bases larger than 60, so it would be better to post it in General category. 
Posted by: Kodegadulo Aug 9 2015, 07:23 PM  
Piotr, "Thread Necromancy"  bringing a longdead thread "back to life"  is generally considered bad Internet etiquette, unless you have a useful or significant observation to add to that conversation. Complaining about the thread does not count as a useful or significant observation. Whether or not this thread is in the appropriate place is not worth troubling people about, given that the conversation was started and died out many months ago. (Icarus may certainly revive this thread if and when he has some update about the topic, such as some improvement or update to his numberbases site.) More generally, it is not appropriate for someone under age to dictate rules to his elders. You may suggest, certainly, but not dictate. You have already been warned about this. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 17 2015, 04:47 AM  
Well, if there is no prohibition, here's a list of bases I'd love to have a tour to look at that are not already in: {2, 3, 4, 22, (23), 26, 27, (29), 32, (33), (35), (38), 40, (44), (45), 50, 54, 56, 64} I might try some of the ones in the twenties, to give complete coverage for the range {230}. {32, 64} have been covered elsewhere in mashups, and {27, 29, 40} have been covered as "random" bases, so they'd be easier. I don't really have the time to try to do grand bases: if I did one at all, it'd be {180} to get the complete sequence of HCNs until {720} in the tour. I'd be scared to do the low bases {2, 3, 4} because they are so exceptional  so I think those are best left to Icarus. (^_^) I also believe {2310, 2520} deserve a place here, but what an effort that would be! Nevertheless I find I don't really have very good ideas for nice subtitles, like what Icarus has done for many of the covered bases. The personifications of bases are an interesting idea: I may need to think more about this. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 17 2015, 09:52 AM  
As a first try at a "guest post" (since I haven't seen many very new entries on the tour), I've done http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1390. Hopefully it's OK and I didn't miss anything very important. My intent would be to cover {40, 54, 56} if nothing else. Following that, I'd go to {44, 45, 50, 52}, and then the binary powers {32, 64}. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Oct 17 2015, 12:01 PM  
Hi Double Sharp. I did a thread on 54 v 56. These have the same signiture, but the loosest and tightest oppositions (reciprocal pairs) of any base less than 100. 56 has the joys that among its regulars are 7^13 and 8^13. The former, written in base 56 is the best 7smooth approximation to pi, using numbers under 10^9. So the ripple13 here contains in effect, pi, 2pi, 4pi, 56/pi, 28/pi and 14/pi. Also, Icarus has been copying the sevenite entries into his tourdebases, so 48 has 7 and 257 as sevenite (Weiferich primes). Likewise 40 has 40: 11 17 307 66431. The number in base 40, ie 40^8+1, has a lot of divisors, eg
where 113 * 929 = 18^4 +1. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 17 2015, 01:13 PM  
I added a note about quadragesimal Wieferich primes (following Icarus' new preference in terminology). I can see that 40^{8} + 1 has many factors, but these are such highrank neighbours that I am not sure it is significant enough to mention. 10^{3} + 1 is divisible by 7, and this is not mentioned either in Icarus' tour for decimal. I would like the entries to be consistent, even my "guest posts", so they would have to all stop at squareneighbours. Next up will be {54, 56, 64}. EDIT: Could you link to that thread on {54, 56}? I seem to have missed it. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 19 2015, 02:37 PM 
Double Sharp: Thanks for extending the tour! I've incorporated the threads you added to the tour to the menu post. I'd been out of town. I am now working on code that will automatically generate a tour (possibly in parts). 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 19 2015, 02:51 PM  
You're welcome! Next will be {54, 64} as promised. I intend to return to {32, 50} also to complete the binarypower range and the even numbers flanked by composites up to 64. After that (or possibly before {32, 50}?) I might work up enough courage to tackle some of the remaining bases in the twenties that need highpass coverage. I will leave the exceptional cases {2, 3, 4} to you, as there are so many things to say (those are the ones I've greatly anticipated). I do think most of the tours can be automatically generated, but there usually is something about a hypothetical world where the base was used in civilization and reasons why one would use that base, that would be a little difficult to automate. In cases like {6} vs. {12} (not that there are many of those cases left), there are many "soft" factors as well as "hard" factors; and in bases like {2, 3, 4}, things are so exceptional that I am not sure if the standard template can hold. Maybe after {30} most of the bases would be automatically generated, but before that I think the bases are distinct enough that we need a human tour guide walking through each of them. (I actually think everything below {30}, every composite below {60}, and many HCNs after that have their own distinct personalities.) As for "grand" bases, after thinking more about them, I'd like to see at least {180, 216}, completions of the tours for {420, 840}, and the huge HCNs and primorials {1260, 1680, 2310, 2520, 5040}. I do not think most grand bases are even worth looking at: brimming on being too large to use, I think they need a really great advantage to carry the day, and outside {240, 360, 2520} I'm just not seeing it. But {180} is interesting as the remaining HCN below 840 not covered (we ought to fill that gap), and {216} is interesting as it is 6^{3}. But this is a job for automation! I wouldn't dare try for any but the lowest two, {180, 216}. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 27 2015, 05:21 PM  
Automation update. While I've had a break this past week I've worked on algorithms that will automate the production of the tour for a website I already own. Some of the algorithms have application here. I've written a Wolfram code that automatically produces regular number maps for any base between {2, 510510}, flattening anything more than 3dimensional spaces to a series of "charts". (It takes several seconds to produce the map of the 4843 regular digits of base 510510 in order of primes involved in the factorization of the regulars.) I will probably never produce a map as large as that one, but the code soundly handles the "ceiling" base of 5040. (I've tested the primorials because these set a new dimension to the field of regular numbers. 510510 = primorial 7. A primorial is a product of the primes up to the nth prime. Product_{k = 1...n} Prime(k). I tested the algorithm up to primorial 8 (9699690) but could not generate the set. I found a way to make the algorithm more efficient as it was assuming the first field (that of the smallest two primes) was the dimension to use on all subsequent fields. This was producing many null fields as the space represented as regular is the ndimensional simplex, not the ndimensional measure polytope. The new algorithm produces primorial 7 in a quarter of the former time, but the next primorial might be too complicated to display. It has 19985 regulars. The algorithm handles 510510 and that is sufficient. I have other algorithms that generate regulars in numeric order that do cover 9699690) I am now working on an htmlwriting digit code script that would output a chart that would work on this forum. This is a more general script that would apply to many of the items (divisibility test charts, primes below a level, etc.) on the tour pages of this forum. The script already properly formats the charts; now it has to function for an expanded set of flags that will maximize the code's flexibility. Algorithms already exist for fraction maps, multiplication tables, and digit maps. The latter two algorithms have an embedded routine that codes the digits, but the new coding algorithm will reverse the process. The tables will be generated first (a trivial or easy endeavor in and of itself) and the coding algorithm mapped across them to produce either html tables or graphics. The current regular matrix algorithm could be incorporated in the sort of manifold of the latter two algorithms, however I want to devise a mappable coding algorithm and abandon the selfcontained approach. Might take a break and write a regularnumber  fraction table algorithm as seen at pentadecimal. EDIT: regularUnitFraction function done. Just raw data:
Output:

Posted by: icarus Oct 27 2015, 07:53 PM  
Here is a roster of canonical colors used in the tour, extracted with the following code:
The first group {d, dc, di, u, gi, gc, g} is the regular group. Positions 13 code divisors, positions 1 through 3 code nondivisor regulars. Position 4 codes units (coprime divisor = digit 1). There are three richness shadings if richness display is selected. The second, {ha, hb, ho, h, hh, hoi, hbi, hai} is the semicoprime group. Position {1, 1} codes alpharelated semicoprime, Position {2, 2} codes alphaomega semicoprime, position {3, 3} codes omegarelated semicoprime. Position {4, 4} codes semicoprimes but does not take into account neighborfactor. (Position 4 is the "impractical" or "rich" semicoprime, meaning its regular part is richer than 3x). The last, {taa, tbb, too, tpp, tp, t, to, tb, ta} is the coprime group. Position {1, 1} codes alphafactor totatives. Position {2, 2} codes alphaomega factor totatives (i.e., digit 2 in odd base). Position {3, 3} codes omegafactor totatives. Position 4 codes long prime totatives. Position 5 codes semimaximal prime totatives. Position 4 codes totatives without distinction. Positions 13 are the "accentuated" versions of {1, 3} when intuitive divisibility tests or simple view (regularsemicoprimetotative) maps are generated. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 29 2015, 03:52 PM 
The mapping algorithm has been made to produce maps of regular numbers and is mappable across the terms of a list (essentially elements in an array). Tweaking it today. Will add HTML capabilities. This is a big dragon to slay and I am excited about it. The algorithm will thus produce multiplication table maps, digit maps, prime ranges, and regular number maps. The fraction mapper will be a special case already produced that will be retained rather than revised and made flexible. Next sortie will be to automate the writing of intuitive divisibility tests (IDTs). There are three main IDTs the regular or "direct" (cf. decimal 5: look at one last digit, if {0, 5}, then yes), the neighborrelated or "indirect" (cf. decimal 3, add digits of the number, if divisible by 3 then yes), and the compound (cf. decimal 6, if even and divisible by 3, then yes). "SPD" is considered a neighbor rule and is once in a while practical. (I would say it is practical in dozenal and mitigates the "allergy: 12 has to 5.) Impractical rules will not be shown. For now, modular math tests will not be covered but could be. Output: regular map for 5040, computed in .03 seconds (embedded). Produced same map with richness effects in same time. Produced a map of 30030 (Primorial 6) in .3 seconds and 510510 (Primorial 7) in 2.5 seconds. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 29 2015, 09:54 PM 
[doHTML] The flexCell algorithm now can write HTML coded maps. The production of digit maps, multiplication tables, regular maps, prime range maps can now be entirely automated. For real, I am jumping up and down in my office! Sorry. Longest code I've ever written in Wolfram Language, essentially a large ifthen sort based on numbertheoretical properties. Here is an example: base 180 digits: [doHTML] Getting close to automating entries! 
Posted by: icarus Oct 29 2015, 10:04 PM 
Test area: today: Base 224 showing intuitive divisibility tests, regular richness, prime period. (Formerly {641, 741, 216, 630, 930}). [doHTML] 
Posted by: Oschkar Oct 29 2015, 10:52 PM 
This is beautiful... Would it be possible for you to share the code so I can test it out? 
Posted by: icarus Oct 30 2015, 02:26 PM 
Oschkar, let me iron out some bugs. I plan to furnish code on the website, creative commons, etc. Also plan to submit it to Wolfram Demonstrations. Otherwise I am happy to do so. One of the things that need be corrected is smoothing input in the flexCell routine so it is rugged and smoothly mappable across any sort of list. The output of several process programs are usually smoothed out but I've got glitches with this. Then I need to integrate this into a wider context and may make other alterations. There is a color collision that I would like to handle now. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 30 2015, 02:31 PM 
Is your choice of {180, 216} because I said I found them the most interesting of the notyet covered grand bases? (^_)☆ When {741} was up, I noticed that your digit map went past the last digit (omega), and was laid out in rows of thirty: is there a good reason for this, because I'm not seeing it (cutting off at 750 and arranging in 30s seems to impose trigesimal thinking on the base)? Although I do like how we now show "10" rather than "0" as a divisor in the maps for {180, 216}. 
Posted by: icarus Oct 30 2015, 10:31 PM  
Yes! (Now I changed it to 641 ; ) ) The numeralRange routine produces a rectangular field for the digits of base b when the number of digits exceeds a magic threshold. The threshold uses the first divisor of b >= Sqrt( b ), and if Sqrt( b ) > 30, the first divisor of b <= 30, or forces 30 if no clement width can be found. I do this because I generally want the table to be more or less square but it it's going to be rectangular, I want a wider box than taller (most often). I use a divisor to ensure a rectangle for composites. For primes, I find a nearby composite larger than the prime with a clement divisor and use that, and we get a few (but less than a row) of extra "numerals". So the digit maps of large bases will have a few extra "numerals" when they are prime. The algorithm is built such that it would make most of the decisions I would be inclined to make. 30 = primorial(prime(3)), but more practically, it fits the width of my website screen and most screens these days. I have moved away from "digit 0" signifying 0 (mod b ) (which it does  it is not a normal digit) because it also signifies zero when it stands alone. I think showing the range 1...b is natural and have considered showing 1...(b + 1) and will do that for primes {p, q} < b + 1. Today I began slaying the automatic generation of intuitive divisibility tests for bases. At the outset this seemed like an easy task. I wrote a threshold for this program to prevalidate numbers n in base b that have intuitive divisibility tests. The "intuitive" divisibility tests include: Regular tests: base itself, integer powers e of the base with e >= 2, divisors, regular numbers with richness <= 2, or richness = 3 IF the regular number g is such that b  g < 3. The regular number threshold for richness and string length of multiples of g in the multiplication table of b is not arithmeticbased but "soft". Regular tests with richness > 34 are considered impractical and labeled such, but still shown. Neighborfactor tests: factors of (b^2  1): if divisors of (b + 1), alpha, if divisors of (b  1), omega. Divisor of (b^4  1) for bases b = 0 (mod 6) and <= 18. This thus enables SPD for 5 in bases 12 and 18, however I am wondering if those for 7 should be included. Inherited tests. The algorithm determines impracticality of the regular part and the mutually coprime "silos" of primedivisorpowers of n (for n = 12, the "silos" are {4, 3}. Decimally, 4 has a 2richness regular test and an omega factor test, but the algorithm merely will say "if divisible by 3 and 4, then...") The threshold defaults to 30 and tends to be that for odd bases but prefers the regular number g base b that exceeds 30 by less than or equal to six. (Many even b have 32, bases b = 0 (mod 6) have 36, bases {31, 62} have 31, bases {33, 66} have 33, bases {34, 68} have 34, base {35, 70} have 35, etc.) I wanted a responsive threshold for the cutoff in the vicinity of the 3rd primorial, because for intuitive tests, we're generally looking at small numbers. The prevalidation was tricky but I have it down now:
Basically, within the range bounded by the threshold, this finds any regular number in the range. Then it finds any number with a coprime part that is a divisor of (b^2  1). It also adds 5 if in the SPDuseful range. For odd bases, it disqualifies any power of 2 greater than that power of 2 in (b^2  1). This reduces the work the idtCode routine needs to perform to generate HTML code. Right now the program merely declares the arithmetic relationship of the vetted n to base r and its subdivision. For semicoprimes, it suggests using "silo" factors. Examples: base 15:
Dozenal:
Things to do are to add the combinations and number of combinations for the regulars. If the number of combinations exceeds 12, I will abbreviate the list to only show the first 3 and the last one. Then it will have to handle rangefolding for regulars with richness 2 and 3. I've entered all the language components "If an arbitrary number ...", " if the least significant ", " place values are one of ", etc. so all the program will do is catenate the appropriate components. The omega testable numbers are easy: " if the digital root of x is divisible by ". The inheritors are easy and will be converted to say " if the number x is divisible by " and list the primedivisorpowers of x. Then I'll have the algorithm add the <ul>, <li> tags, catenate the language, etc. and the component will be complete. This segment will eliminate all the drudgery of writing that language by hand, prone to missing a relationship or misstating the rule. These may be colorcoded with a square character in the color canon representation of their regular and coprime factors. Then we will move on to segment A, the first part of the boilerplate and work down. I do agree with you Double Sharp that the entries can't be fully autogenerated. The autogeneration applies to the parts outside of the travelogue. The segment that describes auxiliaries will not be as prosaic and will merely show possibilities and common fractions (the natural ones, one fifth, one sixth, one eighth, etc.) in the system. The prosaic narrative can be incorporated in the travelogue. I need to add grid labeling to the flexCell routine. This would require a way to recognize labeling and probably a flag. I will hold on this for a little while as I try to establish the other parts of the project. The project could be suddenly interrupted by "real work", and I have to update my website with new project examples (i.e., "real work") but am focused on this project otherwise. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 31 2015, 01:57 AM  
How nice! 641 is pretty interesting for a prime base, as its omega 640 = 2^7 * 5 gives incredible binary divisibility, while the alpha 642 = 2 * 3 * 107 gives the minimal ternary coverage. As a result the most useful and common composites gain intuitive divisibility tests, as prime powers up to {2^8, 3, 5, (107)} are covered. (Although: why's 256 shaded like the alphaomega compounds? Its test doesn't work that way; it gets the squareomega test, doesn't it?)
That makes sense. Thirty fits well on my phone as well. When doing the divisibility test map for octal I extended it to thirtytwo as 36_{o} is a little weird in octal, but then it went a little off the screen on my phone IIRC.
I agree  alpha is usually pretty important; though it's not a digit, it enjoys alpha benefits just the same. This way it would always get shown, even if it is a prime (like in decimal, duodecimal, or hexadecimal).
I think it still depends somewhat on the number of distinct sequences to memorise: to take an extreme example, 625 has richness 4 in decimal, but there are only 16 digitsequences to learn, so it may well be practical (though pretty useless). OTOH, 16 has richness 4 as well, but there are 625 digitsequences to learn, so it's completely impractical (and being two levels up from the highest memorisable binarypower test for 4, the rangefolding algorithm is incredibly baroque and difficult to use).
Those for 7 would be divisors of (b^6  1) in the worstcase scenario, so I'm not sure they are usable in most of the human scale bases, as there are so many multiples below "1000". What I think we need to do is to set down exactly how many digitsequences we need to remember to use the test, and then impose a threshold beyond which the test is considered impractical.
Looking forward to see how this works out  it looks really good even now! 
Posted by: icarus Oct 31 2015, 02:08 PM 
Indeed, there are some kinks in the output that have to be sussed out. Before I go too far with the divisibility test algorithm I need to look at Treisaran's thread, some resources to see if I am not forgetting something. Test of divisibility rule script on base 17. (I don't have all the regular tests written). Looks pretty good. Might change how some things are written (mdashes, etc.) (Updated 20151104) [doHTML] It's been a tough slog but I have extended the code to generate regular rules. This segment is complicated because we have to generate a range. If that range is too long (and I used 18 terms as the maximum) it abbreviates it with ellipses. If the number x involves a power of 2 or 3 it could take advantage of range folding (e.g., decimal 4, 8; dozenal 8, 9). That was a tricky thing to get through and I almost quit. The program now handles all bases up to 36. I will extend it to any base as soon as I fix the digit converter. [doHTML] I am still looking for glitches...this code took much longer to write than I ever thought and is more complicated than I considered. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 4 2015, 01:00 PM  
This was meant to be 2 and d, right? Earlier, your script writes "d if the tetradecimal digital root of x is divisible by d", so I'm assuming that all these numbers are supposed to be expressed in whatever base is being examined at the moment, not decimal. P.S. {930} looks gorgeous, thanks to the neighbouring divisors 30 and 31 creating a beautiful orange diagonal in the digit map. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 4 2015, 11:02 PM 
Double Sharp, Yes! There are some validation items that need to happen. I do need to ensure that any figure in the prose is stated in base b EXCEPT parenthetical ones, which are decimal. (There will be a note to this effect). I am holding on fixing the script to represent large bases (here meaning bases greater than 36, for no other reason than I have to append the next sequence of transdecimals beyond lowercase letters). Do I want to *still* be putting out these sorts of verbal descriptions, or just rely on the digit map? I lean toward YES. If that's so, then do we continue the baseb representation or cut it off? This effects rangefolding and the ranges stated for regulars. At some point we run out of transdecimals. I think at some point I don't give ranges / rangefolding but merely state that there are so many combinations. For bases greater than 60 divisor tests become cumbersome; stating ranges is going to suck up a lot of real estate. Going to need to ponder it, what are you's all's thoughts? Today I worked on the "segment A" again. Pretty satisfied with it so far. Segment A includes the names, prime decomposition, prime signatures, classes in which base b resides. I think it's nailed. The LaMadrid and SDN names are given, then the prime decomposition and prime signature. The script produces a brief range of numbers with similar prime signature and declares which OEIS number and if available, classes such as "sphenic numbers", "squarefree semiprimes", etc. I have yet to add "primorials" and other types of number independent of prime signature. Want to add primorials, HCN, SHCN, highly regular number, pronic number, etc. and will do that. Here are samples: [doHTML] The prime cases should perhaps more simply read "p is prime, its prime signature is "1". The number p is term _primePi(p)_ in the sequence of primes is {2, 3, 5, ..., p, ...} (OEIS A000040)." This can be handled by an If statement that caters to primes. I think anything else can be treated in a more or less uniform way. [DONE 201511041718] Also, hyperlinks to definitions need to be supplied as are in the tour. There are two separate references, one here and one at the home tobe. This will be added later. I think the hyperlinks are crucial so won't leave them out. The OEIS hyperlinks can easily be made clickable because the site is so modular. (In fact I will do that now). [DONE 201511041718] Next week I could lose focus due to business (At this point I would welcome that) but will resume when free time opens up again (feast or famine self employed). I might tackle the generation of auxiliary bases if that is even possible. Will have to define criteria. Resolution of missing or ensuing primes is easy; what to do for bases that don't "need" it? This will favor resolution of the first three primes {2, 3, 5}, with preferred multiplicities {3, 1, 1} but this might require much thought. Again, what are your thoughts? 
Posted by: icarus Nov 4 2015, 11:30 PM 
The next segment ( describes the type of numerals (digits) 0 <= m <= n (with 0 standing for 0 (mod rather than actual zero, and "10" not used). The kind and quantity of each numeral type, sets, idiosyncrasies (number of "practical" and "impractical", "alpha" or "omega" or "alphaomega" inheritors, etc.) are described. Primes {p  b and q coprime to b} <= b + 1 are described. There are pictorials that can be automatically generated thanks to flexCell. I'll work this out at a meeting (heh) and then maybe also gain ground on this side of the task. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2015, 03:42 AM  
I think it would be mighty interesting to see lists of sexagesimal and centovigesimal divisibility tests. However, you raise a good point about stating ranges. Maybe at some point you'd shift to simply giving the rule without stating what digits are involved? For example, the rule for 2 in pure sexagesimal is that a number is even if it ends in one of {0, 2, 4, 6, 8, a, c, e, g, i, k, m, o, q, s, u, w, y, A, C, E, G, I, K, M, O, Q, S, U, W}. Hmm, quite a mouthful. But what if we just said "if the least significant place value of x is divisible by 2"? That would get the point of the test across, without drowning the reader in so many even digits. (Although maybe you do want to illustrate that point where even the divisor tests can reach exhaustion!) I think we can safely use a range up to 62 with 09 az AZ, making pure sexagesimal available. My kana suggestion for bases up to 160 alas doesn't work quite as well as they are not contiguous in Unicode, so maybe we really have to avoid stating ranges for bases like centovigesimal, let alone trecentosexagesimal.
I think any base with a gapless prime factorisation like {2, 3} has a real problem with auxiliary bases. To get the factor 5, it goes into the vicious cycle I've mentioned several times already: [z] 10 doesn't have 5. Multiply by 5! 50 blunts halves. Multiply by 2! a0 blunts thirds. Multiply by 3! 260 blunts quarters. Multiply by 2! 500 blunts halves. Multiply by 2! [/z] And we're back in the same loop, an order of magnitude up. Whereas in decimal, this would resolve gracefully: [d] 10 doesn't have 3. Multiply by 3! 30 blunts halves. Multiply by 2! 60 keeps the decimal factor {2} clean (we're torpedoing the notsoimportant {5}). First workable decimal auxiliary base: sixty. In fact, this seems like a reasonable algorithm for auxiliary base generation. Take the first prime factor you don't have in your base, and multiply your base by it: this factor will gain prominence. (In decimal's case, 3.) Then reinforce the more important prime factors of the base. (In decimal's case, 2.) Now you will have the most important fractions dealt with cleanly. If you ever get stuck in a loop like for dozenal (or senary), there isn't a good auxiliary base available. But there are so many factors at play that it might not work 100% accurately. For example, users of a primepower base like octal or hexadecimal may be quite willing to torpedo high prime powers that are already factors of the base, as for example {3, 5} are more important than {8}. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 5 2015, 09:22 PM 
I have been interrupted a bit today. At yesterday's meeting, I worked out some thoughts about auxiliaries. Generally, and auxiliary base is simply a radix used as an aid to some application within the context of the "civilizational base" or the "base in play". This could really be any number. We use base 7 for weeks merely because there are seven heavenly wandering lights. Divisibility apparently didn't come into play. Wendy uses many of her bases as auxiliaries perhaps, maybe in the context of her use of 120. We use a mixed radix to represent yearsmonthsdays, etc. (but it is pretty shabby). What we are really considering is a "divisional" (akin to "multiplicative") or "flexible" auxiliary base. (There must be a better word...) We want to be able to divide a cyclical unit by a highly factorable base in order to avoid fractions. In base 10 we have the flex aux bases {12, 60, 360} (among others, but these are predominant). These cover different ranges and "sacrifice" more of the decimalnative "flexibility" to take advantage of the aux base's. In the case of 12 we completely abandon 5 and replace it with 6. Thus the natural fractions are neatly resolved {3, 4, 6, 8, 9} and we can tell time from across a room or on our wrists as we assault a beach to stop the moves of a despot. It's a rugged and coarse auxiliary base. When we want more resolution we use decimal coded sexagesimal. Here we retain 5 and add the primes {2, 3} to get the following: Retain the half (30) and pick up clean thirds (20, 40) and sixths (10, 50). Retain quarters as blunt as decimalnative 2nd rank quarters (15, 45) vs. (25, 75). Sacrifice the fifths (12, 24, 36, 48) and tenths (6, 18, 42, 54). Apparently this works because we native decimalists aren't really using the larger prime 5 intrinsically, per se, but as a surrogate for the negative powers of 2. So we sacrifice 5 to pick up thirds and sixths and maintain halves and quarters. All in all, we really haven't lost anything, just muddied up the clearer fifths and tenths we would have. These fractions remain integers under base 60. Sevenths are completely unsupported. We use 360 for even more resolution by adding {2^2, 3^2}. This broadens the clean fractions to include quarters and ninths, fifths and tenths. 90 is seen as "round" under 360 probably by dint of using it as a measure of a circle so often; it is the merger between circles and orthogonality. In base 14 nothing argues against making the first deal. The dozen could be used just as we would in base 10. We might not use 60. The unit fractions of {2, 3, 4, 5, 6, a, c} end up being represented as {22, 16, 11, c, a, 6, 5} and that's unacceptably muddy. If we don't mind leaving out 5 and just garnering 3 without completely abandoning 7, maybe we'd use decimal 84 = "60" (heh). Then we'd show {2, 3, 4, 6, 7, a, c} as {30, 20, 17, a, 7, 6} rather analogous to decimal coded sexagesimal. If we want {3, 5} and plan to maintain 7 we need decimal 210 at minimum (poor because of poor quarters) but rather decimal 420, which is on par scalewise with decimal 360. Then {2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, a, c, 10} as {110, a0, 77, 60, 50, 44, 30, 27, 22} Yes, generally we are filling in to get factorization something like Prepend[Union[{2, 3, 5, p}], 2], with p being any prime divisor of b, but it depends on whether we want to completely abandon p > 5, if we want to accept the fact that there is no 5, etc. [doHTML] The above figure is the output of a diagram that illustrates the primesieving properties of a base's totatives. (This is decimal). 
Posted by: Piotr Dec 5 2015, 03:07 PM  
Remember to post base 54 in "Senary and {2, 3} bases" as 54 is 2 3³. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 8 2015, 05:55 PM  
Huh. So I see in the hidden comments to this thread the following planned tours: {2, 3, 4, 22, 26, 27, 32, 35, 45, 54, 420, 840, 1000, 1260, 1680, 1728, 2310, 2520, 5040}. Here are my overambitious considered additions: {50} as a larger version of 18, {64} to extend the binary powers, {71} as queen of the leeches, {105} as an odd sphenic number, and {168, 180, 192, 216, 252, 300, 336} to lead to the desolate landscape at 360! I'd also include {160}, another merge of decimal and hexadecimal, and {480, 960} as covered in one of Treisaran's threads (useful as auxiliaries to {8, 16}). I'd love finally also {945} as odd and abundant. The coverage that would result: {222, 2428, 30, 32, 3436, 40, 42, 45, 48, 50, 5456, 60, 64, 7072, 80, 84, 90, 96, 99, 100, 105, 108, 109, 112, 120, 144, 160, 168, 173, 180, 192, 210, 216, 240, 252, 300, 336, 360, 420, 480, 720, 840, 945, 960, 1000, 1260, 1680, 1728, 2310, 2520, 5040}. The ones remaining to be written: {24, 22, 26, 27, 32, 35, 45, 54, 64, 71, 105, 160, 168, 180, 192, 216, 252, 300, 336, 420, 840, 945, 960, 1000, 1260, 1680, 1728, 2310, 2520, 5040}. Of these, I think many of the large ones have to be automated, so I'll concentrate on the lower range. Duly noted, Piotr! 
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Posted by: icarus Jan 18 2016, 11:35 PM 
When the numberbases site begins, I will likely start with "human scale" bases and flesh out the site from there. I'd started long ago on a glossary and will revisit it but won't let that undertaking sap the effort. There is a makeshift glossary that I will expand from. The first part of development will be a couple dozen base pages in the format: numberbases.com/tour/base12.html. If you have early suggestions I'd appreciate them. The first bases will be: {6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16}, {20, 24, 30, 36, 60, 120}, {210, 2310}, {5, 7, 11}, {21, 34, 55, 56, 64, 76, 99}. Most of them will just be charts at first. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 19 2016, 01:19 AM  
I'm going to suggest 42 and 84 together with the initial midscale and 9 and 15 as the humanscale composite odd bases. I guess the next stage could be the small bases {2, 3, 4}, the superhuman scale {13, 18, 22, 28}, the remaining midscale 3smooth {48, 72, 96, 108}, the twodimensional {40, 56, 80, 112}, and the threedimensional {70, 90, 126, 168, 180}. 126 sounds a lot like a mirroruniverse version of 80, being a smallsmooth number right next to a power of the prime it's missing. The problem is that 126 has only a single binary power, so testing for 4 is awful... By the way, it's Lamadrid, without the CamelCase. Also, I love the new alpha2/omega2 colours, they make the divisibility maps that much more varied. (80 and 85 in base 55 are beautiful...) 
Posted by: Double sharp Jan 19 2016, 08:13 AM 
Please don't forget {240, 360} and the huge {2520, 5040}! I also think 54 deserves a place in there. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 19 2016, 06:58 PM  
Going to add {1680} to the huge bases. I'm fairly sure that I can work in 12:10:14 a bit more easily than in 12:15:14, with all three subbases being even, but we lose the nice omega relationship with 11, which then becomes a maximal prime. The fourplace ninths (0.134'8) don't bother me, really, but the sevenplace 27ths (0.046'269'4) do a little, and the only way to resolve it is through base 5040, whose 18:20:14 encoding seems like overkill even for tristaff bases, and whose best 4staff encoding is probably the relatively unbalanced 12:10:7:6. However, I’m reasonably sure that if people were to actually use 12:10:14 as a finer replacement for percentages or something, rounding to three places would be enough to distinguish all relatively common fractions. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 19 2016, 10:46 PM 
I've got http://numberbases.com/base/55.html and http://numberbases.com/base/60.html up as tests (mainly testing the CSS). 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 19 2016, 11:19 PM  
In the full map, we also need colours for compound squarealpha tests, like pentaquinquagesimal 51 (α²×ω), 68 (α²×α) and 272 (α²×ω²). I'm going to suggest for these a medium blueviolet, about #865edb, and for things like pentaquinquagesimal 255 and 340 where they combine with the divisors a lavender like #da89fa for richness 1 and #e4a7fc for higher richness. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 20 2016, 12:08 AM 
Oschkar, I'll look at that. I am running up against a browser sort of limit in terms of the number of colors we can display in tables in web pages. Of course, in Mathematica we can have any number of colors. So long as there is a mathematical manner of defining the category, I can show it. One of the problems we might run into is, where do we draw the line in saying a test is "intuitive" or not? Now I think I have the ability to "shut off" items that are more obscure using bits. I would enable such tests using the fifth bit. If I "run out of bits" I can "borrow" the seventh (that which enables the regular figure categorization) since it nullifies the effect of most of the other bits. I could use a Boolean method to enable specialty tests to show. Another problem is the humaneye ability to distinguish color. The colors you've chosen happen to be in a space we haven't made much use of yet. On another note I just discovered a precategorizing method in which I can use MemberQ rather than factoring each number  I only have to factor once per base (!) (so far, not totally fleshed out) and can derive all the flavors of the chart. This will reduce the generation time enormously (currently it puts out base 2520 in about a half second). It will also simplify the code. I am surprised and embarrassed that I hadn't done this sort of step sooner. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 20 2016, 12:30 AM  
You’re probably right that compound squarealpha tests are probably not something that could be reasonably applied in most bases, especially ones like 55, but they might turn out to be intuitive in some small bases, say, testing for 15 in octal, where 5 comes from the squarealpha and 3 from the alpha itself. I don’t think that the three types of compound squarealpha tests need to be distinguished in the charts, though. I’m not sure if you want to reserve the purple range for things like 1 and 2 only, or if other relationships can fit in there somehow, but if they must be in a range other than purple, we can put them in the browns, distinguished from the regular figures by their saturation. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 20 2016, 02:55 AM 
Now I am not sure we'll get better performance. There isn't much factoring and maybe looking up values in tables of hundreds or thousands of values is less efficient. Many of the tests are GCD. But will test it out. The code is over 100; lines in wolfram. There are dual routines for HTML and wolfram and maybe it might be combinable into a single routine with conversion to the other. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Jan 20 2016, 10:47 AM 
Omega2 (which is i suppose, checking for the likes of 49 in base 120), is not really that useful, because it supposes that you have to divide through by alpha and then apply the same test again, eg 2.54 => 56, 2.54 divide by 7 gives 42. But it gets a little strained when one deals with very large numbers. Note, eg that Alpha2 and Omega2 don't include the powers included in the Alpha and Omega, so in base 50, the test for 49 is the same as 7, is simply add the places. It must be kept in mind, that while 11 divides 120's Alpha, that there is a test at digit level for 11 ( ++) over the staffpairs, eg 4.48 ++ = 0+8,  4+4. It's kind of like an alpha in decimal and an omega in dozenal. Generally, Omega tests are very useful for parallel calculation checks, and where omega has divisors, or is small enough to deal directly, then this can be blazingly fast. (I often do mod7 checks on twelftycalculations). For general primes, one can make use of numbers adjacent to multiples of the base, so for 13 and 37 together, note 4.01 is 13*37. When one does a castout division, one does not have to recall the full carry, eg 9.85.10.16 9.85  8.02 gives 1.83,10  1.80,50 guves 3.10  50 = 2.80. Then 2.80.16 less 2.80.80 gives 1680 = 64, and this is the common remainder 13 and 73, 6564 = 1, modulo 13, and 7464 gives 10 modulo 37. The larger richness (or ripple) regulars present a problem too. One notes that the success or failure depends on the codivisors of the relevant primes. For example, 120 = 8*15, and one can treat the last two places of twelfty as a pair of base15 digits, eg 10.16 = 10.2 (b15, divide 16 by 8), and 102 is a multiple of 8, thus this number is a multiple of 64. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 20 2016, 12:47 PM 
Indeed omega2 is not very useful but was a byproduct of panning for semicoprimes (products of a regular g and coprime t) that have a coprime part t that is a factor of (b^4  1). Now that I might presort the numbers n in the range under study (often that of b itself) the need to handle omega2 is gone. I could color omega 2 "hh" or "opaque semicoprime". This would free up a "slot" in HTML. I am going to rebuild the function with presorting in Associations and MemberQ and generating Wolfram only, mapping an HTML encode function across the InputForm of the Wolfram output to get HTML. The latter should prove to be a mass ReplaceAll routine for the most part. The function will be association rather than list based. I have a way around the browser CSS ceiling. Q: in an expanded panning for arithmetic relationships, which should we include? Should I retain omega2 and add alpha2^2omega etc. as Oschkar suggests? Now we recognize richness levels in the sixth bit. I didn't program "practicality" because it is more complicated than richness. But I have a good guideline. Using the 25 present in the range folded regular test for decimal 8, I look for the closest number regular g to b near 30. If a number, even a divisor, has more than g values in the table, it is impractical. If we can range fold to get the value at or below, then it is semipractical. This renders the evenness test impractical in bases greater than 60, unless it is perceived as 6on10. The complexity of practicality is the reason why I just us d the guidelines. The richness guidelines are as follows: Richness 0 — the unit, 1 in any base, as it is the empty product and is a coprime divisor. Purple. Richness 1 — divisors, red. Richness 2 — nondivisor regular with fractions terminating in 2 digits, div tests with 2 digits, orange. Richness 3 — nondivisor regular with fractions terminating in 3 digits, div tests with 3 digits, peach. Richness > 3 — light peach. The threshold for semicoprimes is richness=2 for their regular part. The settings could be changed dynamically in the new function. First I need to test efficiency. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 21 2016, 07:33 AM  
{a} However, omega2 is functionally identical to alphaomega composites in even bases, and adds just one more binary power in odd bases. I’m sure that we will still need a colour to represent alphaomega composites, which wouldn’t really free up a slot anyway, because things like 21 in octal and 15 in undecimal still need to be represented somehow, and omega2 is practically the same test. Alpha2, on the other hand, is a totally new test that is only practical for a few bases, probably {7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18} to test for 5, {5, 8, 18, 21} to test for 13, and {13, 21, 30} to test for 17, assuming a very generous memory limit of 60 instead of your 30, since, because the alpha2 test isn’t at all obvious, I assume that, except for users of bases {7, 8, 12, 13} testing for 5, they will be closer to the field of advanced mnemonists and mental calculators.  I have some thoughts on range folding, somewhat in response to Wendy’s comment about testing for 64 in base 120. Icarus, if this is too off topic, can you split the following over to another thread? I use this decimal test for 16 frequently: A number is divisible by 16 if the sum of the hundreds places and a quarter of the units places is divisible by 4. a*100 + b = a*4 + b (mod 16) Since b will be a multiple of 4, we can divide everything by 4, to get a + b/4 (mod 4). 16777216: 72 + 16/4 = 72 + 4 = 76, which is divisible by 4 My test for 32 is something like: A number is divisible by 32 if the sum of the hundreds places and a quarter of the units places, plus 4 if the myriads digit is odd is divisible by 8. I don't really use it, though; I usually just halve the number and then test for 16. a*10000 + b*100 + c = a*16 + b*4 + c (mod 32) We divide everything by 4 again, to get a*4 + b + c/4 (mod 8) a*4 (mod 8) will be 0 if a is even, and 4 if a is odd. 16777216: 72 + 16/4 + 4 = 72 + 4 + 4 = 80, which is divisible by 8 This test doesn’t extend easily to 64, though: a*10000 + b*100 + c = a*16 + b*36 + c (mod 64) Dividing by 4, we get a*4 + b*9 + c/4 (mod 16) I could try out something like "4 times the myriads twistaff, plus 9 times the hundreds twistaff, plus a quarter of the units places", but that seems more complicated than what even I can bear, and I actually use the cubeneighbour tests for decimal 7, 13 and 27... I'll stick with halving twice and then testing for 16. {6} Let me see how senary might handle large binary powers. In senary, you can actually memorise all 43 threedigit multiples of 12, so we might rangefold on 12 instead of 4. The problem is that 1000 isn't within 12 steps to a multiple of a large power of 2. Testing for 24 is simple enough, just the standard rangefold test for one more binary power. The test for 52 is similar to the decimal test for 24, but subtractive instead of additive: a*1000 + b = a*12 + b (mod 52) Dividing by 12, we get a + b/12 (mod 4) A number is divisible by 52 if the difference between an eighth of its last three digits and the two preceding digits is divisible by 4. The test for 144 (d64) is weird, because the residues run out just like in decimal, but it might just be workable, because the residue of the "thousands" is 3, almost trivial to multiply by in senary. a*100000 + b*1000 + c = a*52 + b*40 + c (mod 144) Dividing by 12, we get a*4 + b*3 * c (mod 12) a*4 (mod 12) is 0 if a is even and 4 if a is odd. A number is divisible by 144 if the sum of an eighth of its last three digits and three times the two preceding digits, plus 4 if the sixthtolast digit is odd, is divisible by 12. {a} It is true, however, that 120 offers a very good range of 7 binary powers, 2 ternary powers (maybe 3, if the hundreds residue of either 4 or 5 doesn’t turn out to be that bad) and 3 quinary powers. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 21 2016, 12:11 PM 
(Oschkar, will split when back in office rather than on iPhone) I think I can get around the limit to some extent, and either way,the limit doesn't apply to Mathematica output. I can process the Mathematica using rules to rewrite it as HTML. We just can't display all colors at once in HTML. The range folding technique, essentially going negative (permitting a negative power of the common prime divisor) seems valid. Division by two or three is accessible but indeed at some point it's not. Range folding is seen as "quasi intuitive" and I think shunting negative rules to some less "intuitive" category isn't that meaningful, so will accommodate it. You, Wendy, and many here are fiercely intelligent folks. The problem with us bright people is that we forget how rare people with our faculties really are. We project that average people will be keen to use rules we would see plainly as simple. This said, there isn't a reason why the sieve can't handle rules we would see as beneficial. I'll just make a bit setting to represent these as an option. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Jan 21 2016, 12:48 PM 
I misread omega2 as omega^2, ie 81, rather than two places 99. I see now. It is the sort of thing one would handle 77 with in base 120. The test for large powers of 3 in twelfty is fastremainder by 203. Here you can discard the dividend, and because fastremainder does not actually need to evaluate it, it is a simple matter of subtracting multiples of the divisor. It is good mentally. So you pretty much get 2^8 3^5 5^3, from range folding and from fast division by 203. It's rather like the omega and alpha tests, which are 1,1 and 1,1 respectively, but you do multiples, like 2,3 at a time. You decide the multiple by looking at the hundreds for pairs, eg 1.44.03 // 2.03 1.44 = 80*2 gives 1.44  1.40 = 4. You carry the 80 to the unit and multiply by three, noting that the quotient is 4.03, gives 80*3 = 200 gives a remainder of 2.03 If you pair up primes, you can test for pairs of primes at once. For example, 9.01 = 23 * 47, and doz EEE8 (ie 1,4) is 71*73*4. I keep 'handy multiples of primes' around for this end. Prime powers are also doable: 1.00.06 is 7^4 * 6, and in base 18, 111 is 7^3, are also worth the note. But icarus has a point about the tables. It is his baby, so to speak. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Jan 21 2016, 01:12 PM 
Senery test for binary powers is better done over a protobase of 36. In essence, you take aa.bb.cc to get A.B.C If we construct the number as base nine fours, we can eliminate much of the hassle by fitting it as 9 4. 9 4. 9 4. The first 9 and the last 4 is dicardable (the 4 tells us it's a multiple of 4, is essential. So eg 4 53 44 gives 1.08.17.0 A second peak gives 1.2.04.00 We see that this ends in a multiple of 4, and a further 16, so it's a multiple of 64. We can discard everything mod 4 from the top, and turn the bottom to nineths, getting 0 53 7/9. Since 2 2/9 represents a multiple of 64 (ie it is 16/9 * 36), we can add or subtract an even number of nineths to make it hole, and then get a single place, for which we can test for sixteens (which become sixtyfours) 53 7/9  1 7/9 (note 1+7=8) gives 52. So what power of 2 goes to 52, (ie here as far as dec 16), gives 64. As it should: it is 80 squared. 4 53 43 is good to check the rule for dividing by powers of nine. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 21 2016, 04:57 PM  
Nice. Going to start using it (well, 403; I'm a sexagesimalist). As long as we are trying to evaluate "intuitive" tests, I showed the SPD procedure of casting out 1001's to test for 7 and 13 in decimal to a few people at my school a few months ago, and a little more than half of them seemed to understand it well enough after a few examples. It's probably not "intuitive" if it has to be thought of as an algorithm involving that many steps, but might turn out to be manageable. "If you add a multiple of 7 to a multiple of 7, the result will always be a multiple of 7, so to test if a number is divisible by 7 or 13, you can just add or subtract 1001 (which is a multiple of both) as many times from it as you want to. The best way to do this is by snapping the last 2 digits to the closest multiple of 7 or 13, and then adding or subtracting the same amount from the thousands. Then you can just forget the last two digits, since they're already a multiple." Testing for 7: 68 574 961: 61 snaps to 63 by adding 2, so add 2000 more: 68 576 963 685 769: 69 snaps to 70 by adding 1, so add 1000 more: 686 770 6867: 67 snaps to 70 by adding 3, add 3000 more: 9870 98 = 7 * 14 Testing for 13: 68 574 961: 61 snaps to 65 by adding 4, add 4000 more: 68 578 965 685 789: 89 snaps to 91 by adding 2, add 2000 more: 687 791 6877: 77 snaps to 78 by adding 1, add 1000 more: 7877 78 = 13 * 6 And anyway, I think that 13 is by far the largest prime that needs a divisibility test for anything other than primality testing, and it doesn't have to be simple, especially since it's such a rare occurrence. I'll still stand by my assessment that {2, 3, 4} are crucial, {8} almost so, {5, 7, 9, 16, 2^n} are nice to have, but not necessary, and {11, 13, 25, 27} come up very rarely, but they do exist. Any higher powers of {3, 5, 7} and primes from 17 onward are essentially useless. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 21 2016, 07:59 PM 
I appreciate all feedback  this way the algorithm performs what people want to see. IDTs (as "classically defined") can be toggled by one bit setting, and expanded content with another. I will attempt to accommodate what Oschkar suggests because it's interesting. How it gets accommodated is merely a programming technique. Still experimenting with prevalidation. The effort isn't wasted because it's necessary to produce the textual description of the arithmetic entities (numbers and identification of divisors, totatives, alphasemitotatives of richness 2, etc.) that is basically the first segment of the page. Also will attempt to have this written in Mathematica output and then convert it to HTML vs. the forkstyle approach (wasteful) that I had continued developing from the fall. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 22 2016, 02:58 PM 
Here are results of prevalidation. The prevalidation routine excels in sorting out all the various arithmetic entities of base b. It produces a database of all entities, including the ones Oschkar mentions and can even get a finergrain sorting if desired. With the database I can list and enumerate many arithmetic classes of n in base b at least textually, but the goal was the routine might have made generating a digit map more efficient. It is NOT more efficient for large bases than the current algorithm. Looking up the semitotatives of b = 5040 (there are 3623 of them) takes 0.468 s vs. using the test And(gcd(n, b )>1, gcd(n, b )<n, coprimePart(n, b )>1), which involves factoring all the n, takes 0.0624 s. Now producing the current flexCell digit map with everything on for b = 5040 takes 0.655 s. (the filtering in the flexCell is more efficient, looking for And(gcd(n, b )>1, gcd(n, b )<n) first in a Which statement, then proceeding once validated to coprimePart(n, b )>1 to find semitotatives). This implies that the code will require 8x seconds to generate the maps. I looked at semitotatives because for large composite b or for large ranges for many composite b, these are of the predominant arithmetic entity type; if b > 12^3, then we'll have thousands of semitotatives and the lookup for each requires more time than the validation that incorporates factorization for each candidate. The prevalidation routine is still useful because it will be the engine I will use to enumerate and list arithmetic entities in the prose. I will not alter the Whichbased validation routine in flexCell, but I may tap the prevalidation to look for certain rare arithmetic types (the ones Oschkar noted and perhaps others that merely produce handsful of n vs. thousands). I would merely continue to color "hh" (opaque semitotatives) but then recolor them with the rare types, which is the easiest thing to do. There are benefits of the prevalidation routine over the validation used in flexCell. The former produces a database of each entity class and lists the members, principally by lookups, keys, and set functions (Union, Complement, etc.). The latter requires distinguishing each entity mathematically in what amounts to a giant IfThenElse (Which) tree. For the former I can nearly completely avoid all the math tests and quite easily determine "opacity" of semitotatives or totatives, whereas I have to prequalify candidates for this or that recipe in the latter, then run further tests to distinguish which flavor I have, and if I am not interested in one "cousin" flavor I can use True to just color it opaque. I like the former technique but as said, it is less efficient and would reduce the range of the current flexCell routine. Finally, for very large bases or ranges, though the fullformula prevalidation (looking for a2semitotatives, etc.) now makes listing, say, the regulars of base 12^6 unreachable, I can narrow the scope of prevalidation to just listing regulars and semitotatives, etc. in general). I think I can reach running a more refined test on base 9699690, which was hitherto only reachable by the "simple" test (i.e., those related to the divisor counting function and the Euler totient function, so the dst vs. the dght tests.) I am more interested in dght (divisornondivisor regularsemitotativetotative) than dst (divisorneutraltotative). I've rambled on too long about all this geeky stuff. I think the exercise has been valuable, but it won't make the current flexCell more efficient. 
Posted by: icarus Jan 27 2016, 11:26 PM 
Status report: The "sieving" algorithm is complete and works really well within the target range 2 <= b <= 5040. It pans for all the entities that we'd decided we wanted to see, including oschkar's suggestions. If I let it lie I could distinguish multiples of coprimes, but right now as he suggests I just lump them together into a "compound coprime" category. If I want to analyze larger numbers, I can use a watered down analysis (i.e., don't mess with richness and distinguishing among coprime/semicoprime flavors) and get to b = 9699690. The algorithm worked so well that it can track along dynamically like the charts. All flavors identified in the charts are also identified by the analysis but the latter includes Wieferich primes. Now I am tapping the output to generate what I call Segment A, that is, the breakdown of the types of arithmetic entities (divisors, totatives, alphasemitotatives, etc.) within the digitspan of the base. This will be HTML output. The formatting in Wolfram is odd and I don't get it completely, so I figure I'll just convert it by running replacerules all over the HTML tags if I want Wolfram, or just rewrite the program. I am thinking of rewriting the flexCell to output only Wolfram, then a converter to HTML would translate it. The odd thing is that embedding flexCell into Segment A would require conversion to HTML, then any conversion of Segment A with flexCell in it would reconvert it to Wolfram. Right now am just pushing forward and will figure it out later. (Perfect is enemy of good, and all.) Segment A does most everything so far that the tour entries do, enumerate and list, give proportions in percent and per 120 (may add pergross but the reason why pergross is here is this forum is dozenal. The point of per 120 is to render more proportions whole. Percent is clumsy but everyone knows what it is.) May get an interruption for business next week. 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 28 2016, 04:43 AM 
When you say it works well up to 5040, is that an absolute limit, or can it be stretched a little? And if it can, can you post a full arithmetic map of base 5985? I want to see all of its relationships in their full glory, especially the way the Wieferichsquarealpha 13 combines with its regular numbers and its neighbourfactors... (I guess it can be coded as 63on95? Maybe???) This is the way I would colour the multiples of 13 here (sorry for the bad quality pixelated digits...) 
Posted by: Oschkar Feb 14 2016, 07:52 AM 
In the supergrand range, 714 seems interesting... It’s the first base that has more than 3/2 times the amount of transparent digits than any other base below it, surpassing even the trivial ternary, which has exactly 3/2 times the amount of transparent digits as binary, but only because it couldn’t surpass binary by any other amount. I guess a lot of its benefits have to do with the fact that it’s 21*34, but still, it’s interesting to explore. I still think 351 is better, though, since 714 requires range folding even for 4. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Feb 14 2016, 08:46 AM 
The test for divisibility can be done for 'close' numbers, not just alpha and omega. For example, one can use 1.00 = 5 as a test of divisibility for 23, if one reduces a lot of multiples of 23 out beforehand. I use this castandreduce method in base 120 for a great portion of the numbers under 120. Numbers with four or five places (ie 810 digits) are not often met, but one can still use the castandshift method (or fastdivision) a lot faster than slow division, because one can make use of multiples not normally used in slow division. For example, 401 is a multiple of 37, but never occurs in a slow division by 37. On the other hand, something like 16.78, one can see 16.04 is a multiple, remainder 74, and the whole number is a multiple of 37. We can also spot 9, because 16.24 subtracts leving 54. (This is 2.03 * 8), so it is definitely a multiple of 37 * 27. 
Posted by: Double sharp Feb 14 2016, 10:39 AM 
714 is onehalf of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth%E2%80%93Aaron_pair: 714 = 2 * 3 * 7 * 17 715 = 5 * 11 * 13 and 2 + 3 + 7 + 17 = 5 + 11 + 13 = 29 Another such pair is (5, 6), and a larger one is (77, 78). 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Feb 14 2016, 11:01 AM 
I'm not sure of 77, 78, but i will settle for 14, 15. No more primorials under 2..127 are in the set. It's a different meaning to RuthAaron pair to what I was told, ie consecutive numbers that multiply to a primorial. 
Posted by: Oschkar Feb 14 2016, 09:03 PM  
I know; I do that for primality testing (which is the only use for large primes that I can think of). I use 102 and 9996 for 17, 3002 for 19, 299 for 23, 2001 for 29 and 3999 for 31, with 7, 13 and 37 being handled through the cubeneighbours. And it's not like anyone can use base 714 anyway; its test for 8 is distant enough to be as impractical as the decimal test for 64, without a keen neighbour to save it, and it's too big to be a twistaff {21:34}, but too small to be a tristaff {6:7:17}. More importantly, how do you even wield it? While it may have awesome digit transparency, there are far too few divisors for CDM, and, even if you managed to commit their multiplication tables to memory, 21 and 34 are large enough subbases that the whole idea behind alternating arithmetic becomes unusable. I'm going to stay with decimal for the real world, tetradecimal for my constructed world, compressed senary and sexagesimal for the math I do privately, and centovigesimal for divisibility testing. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Feb 15 2016, 01:15 AM 
Given that 2001 = 3 * 23 * 29, you can use 2001 for both large primes, and simply test the reaminder after stripping out multiples of 2001. I have used 900 in the same way for 29*31. Likewise 9996 provides access to not just 17 but 49 too. 
Posted by: Piotr Oct 28 2016, 02:57 PM  
Please do base 2, 3, 4, 35 and sqrt(2)
I keeped subtracting 1001 and 98 to test divisibility by 7 (and I also subtracted 980, 9800, ...). Insert 0s at will. (98 can be 980, ...) 1001 works for 7, 11, 13 98 works for 7 and 49 102 works for 3 and 17 105 works for 3, 5, 7 104 works for 2, 4, 8 and 13 96 works for 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 and 3 999 works for 3, 9, 27 and 37 Primes: For 7 use 1001, 105 and 98. For 11 use 1001 and 99. For 13 use 1001 and 104. For 17 use 102. For 19 use 95. For 23 use 92 or your 2001. For 29 use 2001. For 31 use 93. For 37 use 999 and 111. For 41 use 99999, 984 and 82. Prime powers: For 3, 9, 27 use 999 and 108. For 81 use 2997 and 81 itself. For 7 and 49 use 98. For 11 and 121 use 121 itself. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 1 2016, 07:13 PM 
I can do 35 pretty quickly as most of the coding is automated now. Let me get some of this workload out of the way, perhaps at the weekend. The lower bases can also be handled pretty easily. The goal now with Tour is that it will be nearly fully codegenerated html at its own site; it will open with bases 5 through 20 and 60, then expand from there. The "travelogue" sort of preamble will of course not be coded and will be baseneutralized, i.e., from a nondozenal perspective, however there are a lot of things to say that do involve decimal and dozenal vis a vis another base and those things will be retained. Bases as large as 55440 can be considered in a sort of aggregate way. Other bases that will be looked at are factorial, primorial, prime factor multiplicity bases, etc. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 3 2016, 07:54 AM 
Completely off topic, but I thought that this thread would be the best place to get your attention, icarus. Can you use Mathematica to find all cities and towns between latitudes 28 and 2845' in both hemispheres with a population of at least 14400? 
Posted by: icarus Nov 3 2016, 02:46 PM  
Oschkar: Here is the script:
Here is the data:

Posted by: icarus Nov 8 2016, 09:19 PM 
Working on tour codes again, improving the sieve algorithm. I am confident that, outside of the "travelogue" portion that heads up the posts, the entire analysis can be codegenerated. Lots of good things have been established. Today I expanded the "enCode" function (a function that translates digits into the base). It had merely symbolized digits alphanumerically, i.e., those smaller than 10 were normal numerals, those between 10 and 35 inclusive the lowercase, those larger than 36 but smaller than 62 the uppercase. That function is retained, but there is now a decimalcoded feature that writes the decimal value of the digit with Floor(Log_10() digits, forcing leading zeros. A third feature will "code" any base to show alternating radix notation that supports 12 on 10, i.e., "twelfty", thus digit 108 base 120 is rendered as "a8". Added quadratic residues to analysis. (digits that squares can end with.) Added simple prime reptend classes to the sieve. Now it tests for minimal (1, i.e., omega), semiminimal (2, i.e., alpha), long prime (i.e., p  1), and a catchall class for other lengths. Improved the sieve algorithm to use the most efficient (for Wolfram, i.e., PowerMod) method for regular numbers, and a sorting of regulars into richness classes. Added proper regulars to richness = 3. The proper regulars are number "idioms" that would likely be common in a base, as these tend to be seen as "round," especially when they are surrogates for negative powers of small prime divisors vis a vis a sufficient power of the base. Decimally, we have {1, 125, 2, 25, 4, 5, 8} and it is the powers of 5 {125, 25, 5} that are seen as surrogates for 1/8, 1/4, and 1/2 of 1000, 100, and 10 respectively. Dozenal has a much broader set: {1, 14, 16, 2, 23, 28, 3, 4, 46, 54, 6, 8, 9}. Will add/improve the neighborrelated flavoring in the sieve. FlexCell can sense many flavors. Wieferich primes, coprime reciprocals with brief mantissae, and auxiliary numbers are next. The latter is a tougher problem. An auxiliary number x in base b is one that resolves small primes q coprime to b at the expense of some resolution of a prime divisor p > q. The small primes we are normally concerned with resolving are 2 and 3, with 5 less necessary, and 7 very much less necessary. Decimally we have 2 and 5 as divisors. So we bargain away 5 to get 3. Thus 60 is a rather convenient auxiliary as is 12 and 120, each with their own granularity. The number 60 is often used decimally, while 120 is unused though it might have been more used in the past. Some bases such as 12 do not need auxiliaries, thus the problem of auxiliaries, if we want to incorporate q > p_max, involve multiplying a power of b by q. The computer would need to determine regular fractions in base b and see how much "resolution" is lost to the auxiliary. The algorithm will be complex but not as complex as FlexCell and other items I've written. Some bases have peculiar properties and I would have to say hexadecimal is one of them. We would have to depart from some of the divisor/regular based analysis (though it would still be provided) in order to explore how it and other prime powers handle mediation/duplation and how digit design would affect maths. These alterations to "regular" arithmetic could make hexadecimal "civilizational". Here are the peculiar bases: {2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 18, 30}; these require special annotations that could be automatically incorporated. The toughest of the bases to handle are 2 and 3. The former requires discussion of logic and truth tables. The latter should require some mention of "balanced ternary" that might not as easily pertain to larger bases. This is why bases smaller than 5 have not appeared in the Tour des Bases. 4 is the smallest composite; 6 the smallest squarefree composite; 8 the smallest number that has only semitotatives, 10 the smallest number that has both neutral digits, 12 has practical alpha2 divisibility tests that are crucial to utility, 16 has an alternate arithmetic and digit design that may render it civilizationally practical, 18 is similar to 12 and has Wieferich features, and 30 is the largest number where EulerPhi(n) = tau(n) and has no composite totatives. Other bases may have interesting "imbalances" and nuances that the travelogue should pick up on. Many small bases will have travelogues but most bases won't. The code will be a fleet of freestanding functions and variables that are brought together, output concatenated to fully author an HTML page, complete with head section and CSS, along with analytics. The travelogue prose might be divorced from the page or incorporated manually. Once the code is ready we should be able to furnish any base in seconds (outside of the travelogue). 
Posted by: icarus Nov 9 2016, 08:38 PM  
Added Wieferich prime support, proper regulars, smallest nondivisor regular, smallest semicoprime, conversion to mixed radix representation. Generates all alpha, omega, alpha2, omega2 coprimes. Working on finetuning semitotative flavors (practicality classes), numbers with brief mantissae, and the auxiliary base algorithm. The sieve is a preconditioning script that generates a register containing a lot of the raw entities of each base in an object called an association. The other subroutines can tap the register for quantities or instances of these objects. Currently the segmental subroutines either do this separately, reduplicating factorization and function calls. This is a onestop shop for all the entities that would appear in the tour page, facilitating generation in one fell swoop. Dozenal:
u = unit, g = regular, d = divisor, p = prime divisor, sd = semidivisor, g2 = richness2 regular, t = totative, q = prime totative, tpp = long prime, ta = alphafactor totative, to = omegafactor totative, to2 = factor of (b^2  1) that does not divide (b  1), ta2 = factor of (b^2 + 1) that does not divide (b + 1), h = semitotative, ha = alphainheritor, ho = omega inheritor = opaque semitotative, sq = quadratic residue (end digits of squares), w = wieferich prime < 7!, ss = smallest nondivisor regular, smallest semicoprime, pr = proper regulars to richness 3. Vigesimal:
The algorithm automatically encodes some output, cf. "pr" output.
Bases b > 36 switch from alphanumeric transdecimals to concatenated decimalcoded digits. Base 120 encodes to "twelfty" or 12on10 alternating radix, with leading zeros. This output is essentially the kernel of the tour pages minus the charts. Code provides output for any base b <= 5040 in less than a second. It can process up to 55440 in about 45 seconds. There may be a need to dispose of some features with larger bases; there are over 4500 3proper regulars for base 55440; that list is unusable and calculating the quantity is fairly easy. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 10 2016, 09:01 PM  
Register Coding Effort Updates I've decided to use this post to update those interested on the coding effort, rather than constantly posting new developments again and again. This post concerns an upfront component called "the register". The idea is that all the main features of a base is generated upfront and all the other subroutines have to do is tap the register for data rather than separately process these within the subroutine. I've found that the programs tend to need the same things even across segments. This material will feed the segments but not necessarily the charts. This would also facilitate uniting the segments into a long piece of finished code in the end. New Developments: 201612051745 Updated the last change so that totals for each of the primary categories (regular = "g", semicoprime "h", and coprime = "t") are given for each power b^e, with 1 <= e <= Floor(Log_b(p_8#)).
Keep in mind that the number 1 is counted both by regular and by coprime registers. 201612051000 Per Wendy's request, added a regular counting function for regulars g <= b^e, with 1 <= e <= Floor(Log_b(p_8#)). This is an "expensive" computation and, next to the determination of Wieferich primes and their lengths, is responsible for the lion's share of processing time. Here is the code:
May add a "nondiscrete" method later. 201612031600, Segment A1 is complete. The segment works on its own or with the register to furnish: Base names, class (prime, prime power, composite, etc.) with OEIS links, prime divisors and distinct prime divisors, and the nature of primes less than b. Some glitches in the register were tweaked. Next segment is Segment A2, regarding divisors. Between Segment A1 and Segment A2, a map of digits will be produced by FlexCell. Also added facilities for linking to MathWorld and Wikipedia to the register. The idea is once the segments are complete, Mathematica will write an HTML page that is ready to post. The head section and coda will encapsulate a body composed of segments and diagrams, that will be the method of writing the pages. 201612021645 Jumped in, added a version number and datestamp to the register. This will help track changes and keep the system up to date as it matures. Minor tweaks in response to satellite software requirements. Decided that all segments will retain a selfproduce capability and a registeruse capability. That is, they will be programmed to handle centrallyprovided data or concoct the data themselves. Instead of deploying piecemeal insitu functions, they will generate a miniregister with only the data needed, the code cribbed from the master register, when they must generate their own data. This way the segments can be mapped across a list of bases to produce "mashup" style cross comparisons. These won't be the same as the mashups on the forum. Also, FlexCell will be reprogrammed to deploy a registerstyle number theory engine. The advantage is that the routine would be able to pass text through to cells, colorcode highly specific entities (for instance, only omegarelated semitotatives with richness 2, or Wieferich primes of depth 3, etc.) Will also be able to specify spot color through a set of custom rules. This is a tricky rebuild. The current FlexCell has a monstrous Which statement and that was the previous number theory engine. The new one will still generate the allencompassing charts (the digit maps, regular maps, abbreviated multiplication tables, and fraction maps) but also handle crosscomparisons of various microaspects of bases. This is something to do after the segments are programmed. Focus will continue to rest upon development of segments that take or make a register and "write" an appropriate humanlegible data section as we see here on the Forum. I am using RandomChoice to help make the verbage vary lest all the pages read dronelike in their similarity. The new number theory engine and register application offers some expanded possibilities for the tour, yet I would like to focus on getting the autowriting pages started and test some concepts before I add too many more features. 201612011130 Added numbers that have brief recurrent periods and primes that have same into the register.
This sorts the first occurrences of a given number as we increase the exponent e of (b^e  1) between 1 and n. To sort for primes, I use:
Here for decimal numbers up to period = 8. 201611302000 Added some language in a test segment that processes the "cons", "logs", and "logd" fields, putting these in English. [doHTML] Just a proof of concept. These probably should be in tables. 201611291715 Heading into some deadline runs and will have to set project aside. Today I added two more limits to the register along with the lesser and greater rounds. There is a digitgrouping number "dg" and a percentlike number "pc". Let's take the easiest thing to explain first. The current tour gives some baseb expansions for constants and logarithms. This requires us to convert and "typeset" the numbers such that digits are grouped, as it would seem plain to use a number near the lesser round as the total number of digits to compute. I like the usage of 5 decimal digits given in some scientific literature I read (the CRC Manual of Mathematics, Chemistry, etc.) and that number perhaps makes sense for base ten. Thus we have to set a baseb appropriate digitgrouping number that would function at least below the radix point for this sort of purpose. Generally the number is between 3 and 5, taking the largest number that is regular to b in that range, but defaulting to 5 south of 30 inclusive, then 3 between 30 and 60, then 2 (shifting the entire range to between 2 and 4 inclusive). We won't compute expansions in bases larger than 120. This settled, I had to program a roundup function when we trim expansions. The algorithm works really well and lickedy split. We also observe in the tour that the quantities of this or that type of numeral/digit/entity are given. This was a big hurdle for segment B, such that I had not written it. Now that we've aggregated all the entities in one place, it is fairly easy to do the metaanalysis in the register. This also furnishes the analysis for use anywhere in the tour page. The general format is maybe best described per example: Decimal has 6 regular numerals {1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 10}: six of ten digits (60%) are regular. It's that "six of ten..." bit that needs to be prepared before farming out to the segments. Now I do want to use two further summary figures. The first is a sort of "percent" that makes sense in baseb. The dozenal equivalent would be "pergross" or "bicia". Finally I wanted to use parts in 120 to describe some factors universally. A long while ago I'd called these "twips" in this forum, but twips are actually parts in 1200. I did use "pertwelfty" but that is cumbersome and aliensounding. I have settled on "grade," from "centigrade". I just won't go down the path of appending "centovigintigrade" (like the disease we have with "perigee">"perilune">"perihelion">"perijove", i.e., carrying around the need to build novel suffixes). "Grade" will be explained in a high level FAQ. This has not been implemented yet, but will inshallah before I get slammed tomorrow with work. I also finalized the incorporation of modular math divisibility rules into the "hh" and "tt" registers. This then gives us truly "opaque" flavors of these species. I would regard semitotatives that require right trim rather more opaque than those with regular or neighborrelated rules, and I have already factored in practicality into the mix, unlike regular rules. Now the register has a keener number theory engine than the FlexCell routine, and I will have to extract the engine from that to make "formatCell" or some similar easily embedded subroutine. After these next couple days the project will go into hibernation until the system of deadlines involving mid and late December, culminating in early January pass by. 201611281300 Have written a set of codes that results in a collation of all divisibility rules (except compound). The leftright trim rules are first sorted such that the smallest absolute coefficient is selected that is either a regular number g <= 5 or the least divisor within the range 4..12 and the omega factor including at least omega itself and {2, 3, 5} if they divide omega. This seems to provide actionable and usable rules thus. Numbers are assigned regular rules as to their richness, and neighborfactor rules as to their flavor. All rules are aggregated and collated. What remains now is the determination of inherited rules for composites less than the greater round. Then the register will have everything needed to easily generate divisibility rules for base b within and including the greater round. This is expected to conclude the incorporation of divisibility rules into the register. 201611280900 Incorporated the raw data for the left and right trim divisibility rules for numbers under the minimum of the greater round or the square of b. Generated language for the trim divisibility rules, including the right trim2 rules. There are two other flavors of divisibility rule that I want to incorporate. Then the program can collate all the rules for a given number. In the short form only one good rule will be shown. Those that involve large coefficients will not be shown. In the condensed, technical form, the coefficients for all numbers will be summarized in a table. I might simplify the rules language. Currently the language is pretty clear; I don't want to lose clarity. The numbers in the divisibility rule field need conversion to base b. The field will be winnowed according to simple numbers to multiply by in base b, but all the data will be available in the summary. 201611272100 Over the last 24 hours I have examined incorporation of a wider set of practical but "nonintuitive" divisibility rules into the "Tour" pages. These include the "left trim" and "right trim" divisibility rules seen http://webspace.ship.edu/msrenault/divisibility/StupidDivisibilityTricks.pdf. These rules are attained easily through "Select[Range@ t, PowerMod[b^e, 1, t] == # &]" (right) and "SelectFirst[Range[k  1], PowerMod[b, 2, k] == # &]" (left), selecting the shortest rules. The inclusion of simple "nonintuitive" divisibility tests rounds out the third major "technology" posited in the manifest of the Tour, that is, the technology of the divisibility rule, a major part of the intellectual simple machine called the number base. The incorporation of the major functions of the current "intuitiveDT" module, a 2page long Wolfram function, will be tricky. Certain common subroutines (coprimePart, richness, silo) as well as the reduplication of the numbertheoretical sieving algorithm (which has been upgraded and made more efficient in the register) imply its incorporation. The rangefolding algorithm and the handling of text (unfortunately hardwired rather than modular like the other segments) present challenges. I would like the register to be able to yield all the divisibility rules and simply have a new divisibility rule function merely put them in humanreadable (English) narration. This allows all the number theoretical calculations to be concentrated up front in the register, and the segment routines merely take the data and weave it into a narration. Then we have several options (content in other languages, autogeneration). 201611240700 I have added unit fractions for numbers 2 <= m <= lesser round in the register under "fd". These will feed a table currently produced independently under the module "section3A". 201611231500 Working on the rounding algorithm. Originally, the rounding algorithm wanted to do something "smart" per observations in decimal. Namely, the application of some surrogates for negative powers of 2 seen as "semiround", e.g., 7500, 1250 as round numbers. I have just settled on the fact that we need only to find the number closest to the mark within the range in question that has the most number of trailing zeros. Trying to divine an analogous condition in an odd base, or a base severely out of the "human" range of bases is folly. Added the "rd" register. It creates a "lesser round" number in the vicinity of 30, and a "greater round" number in the vicinity of 120, to be used to limit the number of examples in some tables. The lesser round, for instance, is applied to the number of unit fraction conversions to show in tables and the intuitive divisibility rules to show. The greater round is used in a condensed version of right and left trim divisibility rules I am studying. "rd" gives the lesser and greater round both in raw and baseb format. 201611130900 Added prime factorization (I hadn't factored the base throughout development thus far!), class, prime signature, each with the appropriate OEIS citations. These shift gears throughout the segments. For example, primes need not discuss neutral numerals; prime powers need not show semidivisors because they don't have any. Both these classes only have regular figures that are proper divisors, etc. 201611120800, Register program finished. Found a way to preprocess and incorporate auxiliaries. First we use the algorithm as described, except that the program now checks to see if SHCNs exist among the qualified auxiliary candidates. Then it takes the smallest of each goalset and any SHCNs and suggests these as the auxiliaries. Then, for each auxiliary a, the program converts the number a to base b, as well as unit fractions of m that result in integers that are any of the union of {2, 3, 4, 8} and the divisors of b. It states m, followed by the integer a/m converted to base b. This way, not only do we have a listing of the (decimal) auxiliary values, but the values in base b, as well as the baseb equivalent of any unit fraction 1/m for all m that result in integer values. "Clean" m are those that are 0 (mod b ), i.e., that end in a zero in base b. Now that the register is finished, I will now proceed to engage it after a few tests. This means that all the subroutines previously written will be adjusted to tap the register versus homebrew results, and new subroutines will rely on the register. 201611111730 Finished the auxiliary base routine. There are three inputs: base, n = maximum prime to resolve, s = maximum power of 2 to resolve. The function is predicated on the presumption that we want to resolve the smallest primes and 2^e with 1 <= e <= 3. The usual values for n are 2 or 3, meaning resolve {2, 3} or {2, 3, 5}, but the program can go as high as desired, while I governed s to be the minimum of the maximum of the largest power of 2 that divides b or the s setting, and 3. The algorithm successfully produces auxiliaries that produce 0 (mod b ) for the desired fractions. The desired fractions are related to the setting s, the prime divisors of b. If the base has a clean half, third, quarter, or eighth, it keeps it. The use of lcm(b, p_n#) automatically provides clean prime(x) with 1 <= x <= n. The goal s set to 1, 2, or 3 ensures halves, quarters, or eighths are clean. Test: Bases 2  20 The program provides the following output for prime(2), s = 2^1:
The program provides the following output for prime(3), s = 2^1:
I think the script works and am trying to think how to best incorporate it. Maybe it won't go into the register, because there are a lot of things I want to do with auxiliaries and need to sort out what to say. Next week a major project gets started but won't really get intense until mid December. So I might have to lay the project down in the beginning of the week, but there should be more progress this weekend. 201611111111 Added the "name" field, storing the English number name, LaMadrid base name, and the SDN base name to the register. Not sure I will use SDN off the forum, but I do think it is a cogent system. Perhaps it would be added at the top but not throughout text, with a link to Kodegadulo's wiki. I will write an "alternate name" database that mostly pertains to the smallest bases (cf. "octonary", "denary", "quadradecimal") but won't use these outside of the introduction. The standard in the Tour will be LaMadrid or "base [English number name]"/"base [number]". Wrote two modifiers to the "english" subroutine ("english" builds the standard English nominal number word). The first is "ordinal" that converts a number name, e.g., four > fourth, fifty one > fifty first. The second "fractional" converts an ordinal to a fractional form, e.g., second > half, fourth > quarter. The third "pluralfractional" converts an ordinal thus: second > halves, fourth > quarters, twenty fourth > twenty fourths. The function is now called "reg" for "register". Worked on an algorithm for auxiliaries with goals one can set to achieve incorporation of primes. Now working on optimization goals (achieve a "clean" half, third, etc.). This problem will be slain today as the work is unopposed. 201611101745 Took a break and wrote a head section composition script. Just needed to get that out of the way, and was noodling too much on auxiliaries. "fr" is the biggest addition. A section that is not currently in the tour for most bases is one on fractions that simply gives equivalents for the most common fractions. This subroutine gets baseb equivalents for all fractions m/n with n = {2, 4, 8, 16, 3, 6, 12, 5, 10, 7}, 0 < m/n < 1, and gcd(m, n) = 1. The format uses Mathematica's RealDigits function, but "fixes" it such that the nonrecurrent part is in the first position of the list, and the reptend is in the last position. This way I can add font treatments to highlight the different parts, and then automatically generate an abbreviation as you've seen on the tour pages. Will change the regular figures to admit the decimal equivalents in case we want to produce logarithms of such in a way that apes a concept similar to Wendy's "log wheel". (see http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=620&view=findpost&p=22006426 for example). I think after auxiliaries, this is for the most part done and I will then go back and rehash the segments already written to incorporate the registerfurnished data. 201611101300 I've changed the algorithm to add richness to regulars and "neighborrelatedness" to totatives. This has the consequence of easily discerning the "flavors" of semitotatives (which have a regular part with richness and a coprime part with neighborrelatedness), easily determining richness of regulars without continual processing, and neighborrelatedness of totatives without same. The wieferich primes now are followed by their length if former is < 6! (to save computation time). "tp" assigns reptend period to a totative. "sp" is a shortperiod prime with period equal to the order in the list. Now working on auxiliary algorithm. Some sketches for auxiliaries: 1. Primes desired are {2, 3, 5, (7)} in that order. 2. A good auxiliary must minimally "damage" halves/quarters, thirds/sixths, and fifths/tenths in that order. "Damage" means rendering the auxiliary fraction ending in something other than the purebase expansion or zero. 3. Auxiliaries must have 13 baseb digits. 4. Auxiliaries are often semicoprime to b by definition, unless the prime divisors of b include those desired. 5. Bases that have all desired factors below a limit (perhaps at least {2, 3}) need not have an auxiliary, but perhaps desired prime p can be used as a coefficient to some small power of b to create an auxiliary. 6. Many bases will easily have an auxiliary that is 60b or some reduction of 60 to account for prime divisors of b. Octal: {"30", "360"} Decimal: {12, 60, 120, 360} Dozenal: {"10", "500"} Tetradecimal: {"440", "220", "110"} Pentadecimal: {"190", "40"} Hexadecimal: {"18", "f0", "1e0", "3c0"} Vigesimal: {"300", "160", "c0", ("i0", "30")} Unvigesimal: {"a0", "k0", "1j0", "3h0"} 201708151530 Over the past few days I've rewritten the FlexCell algorithm. FlexCell is still useful as is, particularly as a standalone app sort of thing (a Wolfram Demonstration, perhaps). The situation is the number theory engine within FlexCell is no longer necessary given the register data. Thus I have pursued a new approach called "Tiler" that merely takes register data and formats it. The problem encountered was that the structure of the register as it stood in late 2016 was not conducive to an easy trawling of the data. I have thus changed some of the data structure and then had the register generate common maps within it. This is thus far working rather well. This means that the graphic formatting of the maps can be woven automatically amid the segments. Also, Tiler is more flexible than FlexCell (if it still isn't faster  register generation requires seconds, so no dynamic updating) in that I can "pick out" various numbertheoretic entities, like only the divisors and the omega2 related semitotatives, or the Wieferich primes, or numbers that have a righttrim divisibility rule, etc. I can also show maps that do not display the numbers themselves but related concepts. I have also automated the palette generator and can tie the CSS with the Wolfram output. This has been integrated into Tiler. Once Tiler is operational, segment development will resume. My goal is to have an operating generation system by the general meeting in mid October. 201711191540 Okay work on the language generators has recommenced. Added special sequences and improved the randomized diction. The code was made ambipotent (can stand alone or use the register) last year, and this has been maintained. 201711201308 Finetuned the register and added primorial recognition. Segment A is complete. Working on table from "map" portion of register. 201711211400 Added automatic roll tables for bases b in OEIS A001597. These can be made into charts like the one below. [doHTML] 
Posted by: Piotr Nov 13 2016, 07:02 AM  
No, they don't. They are just bases! Base 2 is base 2, and base 3 is base 3, not some truth tables and balanced junk. They are simply bases, deal with it. When making it, remember that you are making base 7 page, but with all properties of base 7 replaced by base 2 or 3. This is wrong: "Base 3 is commonly found as balanced version, and we'll talk about it. This is correct: "Base 3 features terminating thirds, as well as 2 from omega, 4 from alpha, 8 from squareomega and 5 from easy SPD (or whatever is it called)" 
Posted by: icarus Nov 14 2016, 02:34 PM 
Piotr, The focus now is writing an algorithm that will fully produce the tour pages. It would then be able to write any base en masse. The program would write dozens of HTML pages in a minute, including adjunct pages. I think there are certain bases that merit focusing on aspects commonly encountered when discussing them. I appreciate your eagerness! You've reminded me to write code that recognizes practical "SPD"/alpha2 tests (i.e., if x is a divisor t_a_2 of (b^2 + 1) but not (b^2  1)). Currently the intuitive divisibility test program does not do that. What we need to consider is that the multiples of t_a_2 involved might be practically memorized. Binary has {5}, ternary {5, 10}, quaternary {17}, quinary {13, 26}, senary {37}, septenary {5, 10, 25, 50}, octal {5, 13, 65}, nonary {41, 82}, decimal {101}, undecimal {61, 122}, dozenal {5, 29, 145}, tridecimal {5, 10, 17, 34, 85, 170}, tetradecimal {197}, pentadecimal {113, 226}, hexadecimal {257}, heptadecimal {5, 10, 29, 58, 145, 290}, octodecimal {5, 13, 25, 65, 325}, enneadecimal {181, 362}, vigesimal {401}. The preponderance of these are unremarkable outside of binary5, ternary{5, 10}, septenary {5, 10, 25} (5 is a level 2 septenary Wieferich prime), octal {5, 13}, dozenal5, tridecimal{5, 10}, heptadecimal{5, 10}, octodecimal{5, 13}. Septenary is interesting because despite the fact that it is prime, we have "intuitive" divisibility tests for {2, 3, 5, 7} when we count SPD for 5 as "intuitive". For bases less than or equal to 12 SPD5 appears to be practical (28 combinations), but it is questionable whether SPD5 in base 18 is practical (64 combinations). Octodecimal SPD13 might be practical (24 combinations) even though it might not be as desirable. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 14 2016, 11:28 PM 
Working on a simple synopsis; this is too much detail but is a sketch of the auxiliary narrative. [doHTML] Tomorrow the new gig comes in and will take a break until after the late November deadline. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 19 2016, 08:03 AM 
Ive just noticed a correlation between the usefulness of a number as a division and the number of totatives it has. The only numbers with only one totative are {1, 2}, and indeed the half is the most natural fraction. {3, 4, 6} have 2 totatives, and are some of the more natural divisions. The turn can be divided into thirds, fourths and sixths, to get hexagons, squares and triangles, respectively, all of which naturally tile the plane. The smallest base that can be divided into these is dozenal. {5, 8, 10, 12} have 4 totatives. The division into 12 was already covered as the difference between 1/3 and 1/4, but now we have fifths and eighths, surely the most important of the remaining fractions. The long hundred covers all of these within one place. {7, 9, 14, 18} have 6 totatives. We reached one more prime number, and one more ternary power, whereas {15, 16, 20, 24, 30} have 8 totatives, and grant us one more binary power. Extending this further seems to emphasize higher primes, and disregard powers of lower primes: the numbers with 32 totatives or less are {136, 3840, 42, 4446, 47, 5052, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62, 64, 66, 68, 70, 72, 78, 80, 84, 90, 96, 102, 120}. I understand why this is: a more diverse prime factor composition results in a lower totient ratio. However, Im certain that 128ths must be much more important than 31sts, yet 128 has over twice as many totatives as 31 has. The correlation needs to be refined further, but its a starting point. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 19 2016, 01:27 PM  
oschkar, I have six algorithms for determining regular numbers; a subsequence of regular numbers are the divisors, and a subsequence of the divisors are the prime divisors (obviously). One of the most interesting algorithms is the Mertens function method. The root formula is: sum_{1 <= t <= n}(mu(t) * floor(n/t)) i.e., the sum of the product of the Moebius Mu function of t and the floor function of the ratio n/t, taken across the totatives of n, where gcd(t, n)=1 and n a nonzero positive integer. In other words the regulars are related to the totatives of n. This stands to reason. Basically, the logic behind this formula is that each totative contributes a negative score against a "potential" number of regulars (the sense of this is limited, but stay with me). The smaller the totative, the more "damage" against this potential. The most important logic (imho) behind this formula is that the smallest prime totative incurs the most damage, thus if we have gaps in factorization, we have a number n that is less efficient at generating regulars than one that has no gaps. The formula implies that primorials will at once minimize totatives but also maximize the number of regular m <= n. (It's part of a proof I wrote for another sequence, that I will publish soon). The method works like this in Mathematica:
The program requires about 151/2 seconds to generate r(p_8 #) and 445 seconds to produce r(p_9 #), where r is the regular counting function via Mertens, and p_x # is the primorial based on prime(x). Now on my machine using Wolfram the powermod method is the most efficient; it avoids factoring and generation of totatives. This method is faster: The program requires about 10 seconds to generate r(p_8 #) and 224 seconds to produce r(p_9 #):
This is based on a more "traditional" fact related to regular m of n: n^m (mod m) = 0. But the Mertens method is of interest to your observation regarding unit fractions. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 30 2016, 08:06 AM 
I think 24 is pretty interesting too and may require individual annotations as well, as it is the largest base where http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=630: 1^2 = 1 5^2 = 11 7^2 = 21 b^2 = 51 d^2 = 71 h^2 = c1 j^2 = f1 n^2 = m1 This is only possible for bases {2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 24}. It is also perhaps halfusable if you think of the high digits as tetravigesimal 10 minus the low digit, as follows: h * j = (10  7)(10  5) = 100  70  50 + (7 * 5) = c0 + 1b = db d * n = (10  b)(10  1) = 100  b0  10 + b = cb 5 * k = 5(10  4) = 50  k = 44 h + j = (10  7) + (10  5) = (10 + 10)  (7 + 5) = 20  c = 1c b + n = b + (10  1) = 1b  1 = 1a This would perhaps be more obvious if the digits echoed their complements. No, I don't think it really saves any base that isn't already divisible by 4 in this range (so it really only saves {16, 20, 24, 28} as the "big sisters" of {8, 10, 12, 14}), and I still don't think it's anywhere near as efficient as the smaller base of each pair, but it's a way of forcing a possible use of the doubly even low midscale bases that may be considered. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 30 2016, 12:00 PM 
@Oschkar: maybe you want to try the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael_function instead of the standard one? When this is one, we get the set {1, 2}. (These are the numbers that only have unitary totatives.) When this is two, we get the set {3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 24}. (These are the bases such that every totative squares to a number ending in "1".) When this is four, we get the set {5, 10, 15, 16, 20, 30, 40, 48, 60, 80, 120, 240}. (These are the bases such that the fourth power of every totative ends in "1".) When this is six, we get the set {7, 9, 14, 18, 21, 28, 36, 42, 56, 63, 72, 84, 126, 168, 252, 504}. (These are the bases such that the sixth power of every totative ends in "1".) When this is eight, we get the set {32, 96, 160, 480}. (These are the bases such that the eighth power of every totative ends in "1".) (http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=644 already explained it a few years ago here. ^_☆) The OEIS sequence http://oeis.org/A006863 shows that as you increase your desired result from 1 and then up through the even numbers, the numbers you get are the factors of {2, 24, 240, 504, 480, 264, 65520, 24, 16320, 28728, 13200, 552, 131040, 24, 6960, 171864, 32640, 24, 138181680, 24, 1082400, 151704, 5520, 1128, 4455360, 264, 12720, 86184, 13920, 1416, 6814407600, 24...} This would seem to suggest that the primes and prime powers are important (according to this scale, which may not be the best for this job!) in the following order: {2; 3, 4, 8; 5, 16; 7, 9; 32; 11; 13; 17, 64; 19, 27; 25; 23; 29; 31; 37; 41; 43; 49; 47; 128; 53; 81; 59; 61...} This measure values the early powers of two very highly, but past a certain point they stop being so useful. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 30 2016, 12:57 PM 
{2; 3, 4, 8; 5, 16; 7, 9; 32; 11; 13; 17, 64; 19, 27; 25; 23; 29; 31; 37; 41; 43, 49; 47; 128; 53; 81; 59; 61...} I've added 49. While this equates to the bitotient (n) = ((n)) of the primepowers, for composites, you have to take the LCM, not the product. So the period cycle of 120 is LCM((3), (5), (8)) = LCM(1,2,4) = 4. It is true only for odd numbers. There is a special '2' that is orthogonal to the general cycle. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 30 2016, 01:17 PM 
Corrected; thank you! 
Posted by: icarus Nov 30 2016, 03:39 PM 
double sharp, Indeed significant special statuses of any base ought to be noted. Any compendium of bases will not be complete without this. I may not have included them here and I am likely unaware of all the significant special statuses. These can also be cultural, so long as the culture in question is influential. Cultural importance is undeniable when we talk about decimal, to a lesser extent bases 12 for Roman, 20 for Mayan, 60 for ancient Mesopotamian use and its continuation today, and 120 via "twelvety" at DSGB, for instance (not an exhaustive list). The predilection of computer programmers toward hexadecimal and its actual use is important. Some effort should be made to attempt to make hexadecimal as workable as possible, because I think people are interested in that; not to put a thumb on the scale, but to show what would be necessary to render it useful. These sort of considerations can be written in the "travelogue". This said, I am not interested in _every_ cultural nuance of a base. (That's for Wikipedia and other sources). Numbertheoretical statuses can be automatically generated, links provided to OEIS sequences and perhaps other sources to back up the assertions. Thus far I have only crystallized links to the OEIS but it would merit inclusion of MathWorld, Prime Pages, and other primary sources. I am not against Wikipedia links (despite my aversion to the aggregate political bias of its editorship; my experience is that the mathematics pages are not as badly infected with bias as other pages). The OEIS and other math resources do link to Wikipedia despite a general primary and secondary academic tilt against it. If you have links and special statuses or remarks about any base, I would appreciate receiving notice. Now I want to credit contributors by name. Email me with your name (I know Wendy and Dan and Shaun and kodegadulo and oschkar) if you desire credit. I can't credit usernames (obviously on the Forum I can). For instance, the importance of Wieferich primes comes to me through Wendy and I will credit her. There will be page of acknowledgements that should be clickable from all the pages in the footer. Gratitude is important to me personally and I intend to thank and recognize every source that I can remember (some of the work came about when it wasn't as important to me and I have perhaps lost this or that provenance of an idea.) Thank you. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 1 2016, 03:26 AM 
I think all that really needs to be done is to include the usual "travelogue" parts, and let readers decide for themselves if such mathematical curios are relevant. Bases in my "class C" (extended human scale, can be used by an individual person if not by a whole society) are mostly niche players that mostly get covered well already for either being great "prime detectives" or having many divisors. For example, 34 falls into the first category while my beloved 24 and 60 fall into the second. I think a completely purebase approach neglects that the best way to make sexagesimal usable is to treat it as a mixed radix of senary on decimal. Even treating hexadecimal as binary doesn't come close, mostly because doing that results in making it about as slow as binary. (Though I think you should show that, together with the loss of efficiency, to prove how {16} is really kind of a pipe dream.) I think mixedradix arithmetic perhaps merits an explanation or tutorial, since it is not obvious how to do it. And perhaps the added baroqueness and nonobviousness will serviceably explain why {60} isn't usable today. Cultural nuances are in any case rather limited. Wikipedia only has articles on the bases {2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20, 60}. The reasons in most cases are obvious. (The classic nondecimal bases to advocate were always octal and duodecimal. The current love of hexadecimal mostly stems from thinking that what's good for computers should be good for us, but since we don't plug ourselves in and we don't toss bowls of soup over our computers, at least not if we want to live, that's an irrelevant statement.) I'm not entirely sure that I've done anything other than restate and/or verify what others have said to my own satisfaction, though. 
Posted by: icarus Dec 1 2016, 04:30 PM 
Agreed. The first priority is to get the math engine finished, then the verbage for the boilerplate pages, then special pages. I want this thing online as soon as I can get it there. It's been rolling around my mind since October 2011 when I first bought the domain. There used to be a "pentadecimal" (it might've been "quindecimal") page on Wikipedia. I do find it VERY interesting (and not referenced! Silly editors!) that they seem to use the http://www.numberbases.com/terms/BaseNames.pdf in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numeral_systems#Standard_positional_numeral_systems. 
Posted by: icarus Dec 1 2016, 05:38 PM 
Oschkar, If you translate one of the more complete tour pages (not the Travelogue), I would also furnish a Spanishlanguage version at some point. Priority is to get this thing online, but also am interested in alternate pages for different languages. There is no deadline and completely voluntary. Of course would attribute you as the translator. I know Spanish but I am afraid of Engrishizing it. I am fluent in Italian and still would not endeavor the translation. 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 4 2016, 06:27 AM  
To be fair, the Lamadrid convention seems like a reasonable extension of the already standard terms "undecimal", "duodecimal" and "hexadecimal". By the way, this is how I would localize Lamadrid base names into Spanish: {unario, binario, ternario, cuaternario, quinario, senario, septenario, octal, nonario} {decimal, vigesimal, trigesimal, cuadragesimal, quincuagesimal, sexagesimal, septuagesimal, octogesimal, nonagesimal} {un, duo, tri, tetra, penta, hexa, hepta, octo, enea} {centesimal, ducentesimal, tricentesimal, cuadringentesimal, quingentesimal, sexcentesimal, septingentesimal, octingentesimal, noningentesimal, milesimal} To form the feminine form, replace "ario" with "aria", and leave "al" unchanged. Plural forms have endings "arios" (m.), "arias" (f.), and "ales". My attempt at French, Italian, Portuguese and German versions of Lamadrid base names: FR {unaire, binaire, ternaire, quaternaire, quinaire, snaire, septnaire, octal, nonaire} {dcimal, vigsimal, trigsimal, quadragsimal, quinquagsimal, sexagsimal, septuagsimal, octogsimal, nonagsimal} {un, duo, tri, ttra, penta, hexa, hepta, octo, enna} Feminine: replace "al" with "ale", and leave "aire" unchanged. Plural: "aux" (m., for "al"), "ales" (f.), "aires". IT {unario, binario, ternario, quaternario, quinario, senario, settenario, ottale, nonario} {decimale, vigesimale, trigesimale, quadragesimale, quinquagesimale, sessagesimale, settuagesimale, ottogesimale, nonagesimale} {un, duo, tri, tetra, penta, esa, etta, otto, ennea} Feminine: replace "ario" with "aria", leave "ale" unchanged. Plural: "ari" (m.), "arie" (f.), "ali". PT {unrio, binrio, ternrio, quaternrio, quinrio, senrio, setenrio, octal, nonrio} {decimal, vigesimal, trigesimal, quadragesimal, quinquagesimal, sexagesimal, septuagesimal, octogesimal, nonagesimal} {un, duo, tri, tetra, penta, hexa, hepta, octo, enea} Note that there should be no "p" in "setenrio". Feminine: Replace "rio" with "ria", leave "al" unchanged. Plural: "rios" (m.), "rias" (f.), "ais" (for "al"). DE {unr, binr, ternr, quaternr, quinr, senr, septenr, oktal, nonr} {dezimal, vigesimal, trigesimal, quadragesimal, quinquagesimal, sexagesimal, septuagesimal, oktogesimal, nonagesimal} {un, duo, tri, tetra, penta, hexa, hepta, okto, ennea} Not even going to attempt to describe how adjective declension in German works, because it depends on gender, number, case, and the presence of a definite or indefinite article. The possible endings are {e, er, en, em, es}, which can just be added onto these words directly. In many cases, the adjective is compounded with the noun it modifies, and the entire word is treated as a noun and capitalized accordingly: "Duodezimalsystem", "Oktalzahlen". 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 4 2016, 06:28 AM  
I will be able to translate it in a couple of weeks, maybe around the 16th. Do you mean one of the tour pages that are here on the forum, or do you have any "new and improved" tour pages to translate? 
Posted by: icarus Dec 4 2016, 04:02 PM 
Oschkar, There is no big rush. If you translate one here I will inform the program in Spanish the same way. The problem is that I am using a lot of randomization so the same passage might never come out the very same way, just so that the tour is not monotonous. A big thank you to you! I have finished segments A1 and A2. Here are a few A1s and an A2: [doHTML] Thank you for any work you do. I will credit you. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 4 2016, 05:03 PM  
I agree: particularly with "hexadecimal", it seems that the natural thing to do is to make most of the units digits Greek instead of Latin, especially because a purely Latin construction for 18 and 19 would infuriatingly flip the order to "decenoctonary" and "decennoval". I think "undeca" and "duodeca" are more wellknown than any of the other names. (Though I still think base16 should have been "sedecimal" or "senidenary".) I know there is a feeling in mathematics and science that we shouldn't mix Greek and Latin roots (this is why the IUPAC systematic names are not actually used much in the field; you will not hear "ununennium", you will hear "element 119"), which explains the rising popularity of "enneagon" over "nonagon". However, I think it's unavoidable with the popularity of hexadecimal. The Latin language is set in stone at this point, but when we borrow words from it and Greek, I think we can change things around to make them more logical from a modern perspective. The thousandshundredsunitstens order is a bit weird, but if German deals with it, I think we're fine. 
Posted by: icarus Dec 5 2016, 12:19 AM 
I've started to write support for Spanish number words by modifying the English code. The convention for Spanish will be used as well. There will always be purists, but I think the average speaker (at least here in the States) couldn't tell you Latin from Greek; they only know "hexa" evokes sixfoldness, "octo" eightfoldness, etc. the term hexadecimal may be unfortunate for its mashing the classics but it is entrenched now. I agree with oschkar's observation about Lamadrid resembling extant words; indeed that was the pointto eliminate talking robospeak and make words that sound like they already had existed. 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 5 2016, 01:07 AM  
I just looked at a couple of websites in Danish, Dutch, Swedish, Polish, Czech and Russian that mention number bases. It seems that the Germanic languages I mentioned can use the Lamadrid convention directly, though Dutch in particular also accepts native names that take the name of the number and add the suffix tallig. The Slavic languages in my list don't usually use Latin names for bases, but native words derived from the collective form of the number with the suffix ичный (RU), kowy (PL), kov (CZ). I don't know enough about these languages to create a suitable set of base names for them, though. 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Dec 5 2016, 02:41 AM 
Do you think of something like the number of regulars a base has under some power. I gave formulae for some of these. eg a* ln^2(12)/ln(2)ln(3)  2 for 12, 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 5 2016, 03:08 AM 
Im not going to attempt to localize the Systematic Dozenal Nomenclature because the consonant clusters it creates tend to go against Romance phonotactics. As for the rest, Ill have to read up on number theory in Spanish... I dont know a lot of the terminology, except for the basics... 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 5 2016, 03:33 AM 
This may not be quite as bad a problem as it could be because the IUPAC systematic names are invariant across languages (apart from the ending ium, which in Italian for example becomes io). French has no problem with https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpenttrium, although I would say "l'lment 153", just like I would in English. The IUPAC systematic names have certainly become popular among laymen, but scientists almost never use them. In the scientific literature, ekaactinium (in group IIIA) is "element 121", with symbol "(121)". 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 5 2016, 04:16 AM  
True, but Id assume that a monolingual Italian would have a lot of trouble trying to pronounce "unseptquadio", with its three consecutive plosives. Do Italians even say "ununseptio", or is it assimilated as "ununsettio"? 
Posted by: icarus Dec 5 2016, 04:18 AM 
Wendy I do have a reasonably fast discrete method for counting regulars. It's good to about primorial p_8 = 9,699,690, will incorporate the counts in the register. I mostly counted regular figures i.e., regular numbers with all multiples of base boiled out. Example is decimal 25. All numbers that start with 25 and are followed by zeros (i.e., 25, 250, 2500, etc.) have the regular figure 25. This is just "shorthand" for all the regulars a base has. The number of figures is finite for primes (1) and prime powers (1, p, p^2, ..., p^k) whereas the number of regulars is otherwise infinite. For squarefree semiprimes the number is finite for a certain richness (you say ripple). For instance, ten has (1) for richness 0, (2,5) for richness 1, (25,4) for richness 2, thus 2 per level hereinafter. The number of regular figures increases with richness for numbers with more than one prime divisor and at least one prime divisor with multiplicity greater than 1. I have also determined for terms for the regular record setter sequence but have not updated it, using the regular counting function. Yes it would be interesting and it should be part of the effort. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 5 2016, 04:28 AM  
The article on Italian Wikipedia is at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununseptio. You can also hear on Rai http://www.raiscuola.rai.it/articoli/lununseptio/26309/default.aspx saying "ununseptio" with a clear "p", as well as "ununoctio" with a clear "c". EDIT: Hmm, 626 posts, on the 225th death anniversary of Mozart... 
Posted by: icarus Dec 5 2016, 04:29 AM 
Half a life ago at age eleventeen I lived in Italy and had a girlfriend there named Mara. I adored her. She was lovely but troubled, older than me. I was essentially her property. She drove around all over with me. To soothe her we would sing along to the songs on the radio all over Tuscany and some Whitney Houston song came on. "Oddio Maicol mi piace tanto tanto questa canzone!" She loved the song. So she asked what the name of the singer was, "tanto difficile pronunciare". So hard to say. "Veetenee oosetawneh" was the closest she got. Some of SDN's concoctions are not easy to pronounce in Italian is all I can say. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 5 2016, 10:28 AM 
I don't think the butchering is important if it is intelligible and close enough from the spelling. There is no problem at all with the Japanese readings ミクロ mikuro and フェムト femuto for SI "micro" or "femto". So what does it matter if SDN "septqua" comes out as seputokuwa? It's still understandable. 
Posted by: icarus Dec 5 2016, 02:59 PM 
My opinion is that SDN is what it is "objectively"; how it is locally pronounced is not something we can control. The Lamadrid system by contrast was intended to build a scalable "vernacular" base name system. Thus I think SDN remains as is but we should attempt, in any language we support, to build base names that seem already part of that language. 
Posted by: icarus Dec 5 2016, 03:59 PM 
Wendy: Added it! (see the register http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=621&view=findpost&p=40002492). 
Posted by: Kodegadulo Dec 5 2016, 04:20 PM 
In modern Greek (I'll transliterate): kilometer is khiliometro, literally "thousandometer"; centimeter is ekatostometro, literally "hundredthometer"; millimeter is khiliostometro, literally "thousandthometer". So there is some precedent for taking a lot of liberty with a prefix system originally designed for another language (in this case, French). (Do we really believe the French Metricists were thinking of anybody other than gallophones? I bet they were expecting Academy French to be everybody's lingua franca ad infinitum.) SDN really only tried to cater to English, but we kind of expect other languages will take some liberties with its pronunciation. 
Posted by: Double sharp Dec 24 2016, 01:29 PM 
I had a bit of time, so I did another midscale "guest post": here's http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1597. There's not really that many other bases that I think are particularly interesting to cover above 60. The exceptions are {168} (as the tetradecimal "twelfty") and {180} (as another step in Robin's inequality), but they are really too big. Perhaps {336} would be nice as well to complete the sequence of http://math.univlyon1.fr/~nicolas/ramanujanNR.pdf up to 360. Below 60, we might benefit from the addition of the bases {22, 26, 27, 32, 45, 50}, as well as of course the fundamental {2, 3, 4}. 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 27 2016, 11:22 PM 
Another Mathematica request, icarus: Can you calculate e^gamma*n*ln(ln(n))/sigma(n), where gamma is the EulerMascheroni constant and sigma(n) is the sumofdivisors function, for all n from 2 to 60480, and post the values of n such that that function gives a result less than 5/4? 
Posted by: Oschkar Dec 29 2016, 01:06 AM  
Never mind; I did it in Python in a few minutes. The earliest bases in my list not yet covered by the Tour are 180 (already suggested by Doublesharp), and the threedigit alternating bases 2520, 5040 and 1680. Discarding bases larger than 840 thereafter, we have 168 (the tetradecimal longhundred analogue), 480 (a traditional ream of paper), 504, 540 (one and a half turns), 252, 336 (the tetradecimal 240 analogue), 600 (two metric feet), 300 (a metric foot) and 216 (the senary thousand). Out of these, only {216, 252, 300} arent largely composite, though they are incredibly convenient numbers that would have widespread uses as auxiliary bases.

Posted by: Double sharp Jan 3 2017, 01:46 PM 
Icarus covered 504 in the "Random Bases" thread, so I did some minor touching up of it to make it a http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1610. Truth be told, though, I think most large bases only need to show the digit map (possibly through an application) with not much of a travelogue, since most people would not seriously consider them as bases. They don't seem to cry out very much for full threads. I made an exception for 504 because it was really easy to copy and paste from Icarus' work and because it is the tetradecimal analogue to 360 (so our heptadactyl civilisation would have "280" degrees to a circle). This makes for nice fractions that look very much like the base360 fractions of a circle: {e} 1/2 = 140 1/3 = c0 1/4 = 90 1/6 = 60 1/7 = 52 1/8 = 47 1/9 = 40 1/c = 30 1/10 = 28 1/12 = 23.7 1/14 = 20 But really, I think the highest priorities would be to get bases {2, 3, 4} out. I'd try to do them myself but I presume Icarus has plans for them. Still, I dislike seeing them unfinished when they are the among most important, which I think is the range between 2 and 20 inclusive. Indeed 2 and 3 have a lot to talk about, but is 4 really that much of a problem? {a} The interesting thing is that not only do the decimalfriendly {60, 120, 180, 240, 300, 360, 420, 480, 540, 600} look familiar to me, but so do the tetradecimalfriendly {84, 168, 252, 336, 420, 504, 588, 672, 756, 840}. The ones with elevens and thirteens look alien, but somehow the seven doesn't make even the higher {1008, 1176, 1260, 1344, 1512, 1680, 1764, 2016} look that odd. I guess one could interpret it as 7 becoming a normal part of factorisation in the hundreds and thousands, but maybe it's not just that: 54 and 56 look about equally friendly to me in a way that 52 doesn't. Maybe the increased "warmth" coming from 7 as opposed to 11 or 13 is because 7 is a digit and so one is acquainted with its products in the decimal table, and also because it is of about the same scale as 5. But I wonder if tetradecimalists would recognise multiples of b or d in the same way. I've posted about it http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1281 (so I'll freely borrow my own words), but I tend to mentally imagine the digit map as a corridor of varying length and with no escape (once you go past the last digit, you carry and wrap around to the first). It has lamps hanging at the divisors, and some more poorly illuminating candles flickering at alpha and omegarelated totatives. With a humanscale base, we have to have one or two dark spots (octal 5, decimal 7, duodecimal 5 and 7, tetradecimal 9 and b), but those are few enough in number that we can work around them; we can walk through them, without a need to feel our way around because we should know that region well enough, and come out safely on the other side. (In the case of duodecimal 5 and 7, because there's a strong light at 6, we can simply avoid 5 and 7 whenever possible.) But when we get to hexadecimal, even though we're mostly in the light for the first half of the digit range, we're blundering around in the dark for most of the top half thanks to the opaque totatives {7, 9, b, d} and opaque semitotative {e}. By the time we get to sexagesimal, even though we have many regular digits that are inviting and usable, there are many stretches where we're reduced to blundering around in the dark (e.g. {41, 42, 43, 44}), because most numbers are not 5smooth. In base 360, what seems to happen in that extremely long corridor is that we attempt to make a break for it and run from 200 to 216 (the next lamp), and trip over and fall flat on our face around 209. I think many of the "grand bases" and even the higher naturalscale and mid scale, would tend to need rather shorter tours. I don't think the human mind can actually stay up there and wield pure base 24, let alone 120. We have to break the span and use subbases, which is just not the same as real base 24 or base 120, any more than binary is the same as octal or hexadecimal, and is much more complicated and would rather quickly be rejected by the general public (if not ourselves). I think the "humanunderstandable" range is the one that gets the highpass coverage and is around two to twenty (I say twenty because it has been civilisational, though only in the past when what was needed of a base was much less strict, and might get defenders from misplaced nationalism or decimal compatibility). Even further, when push comes to shove, the ones past 15 have a learning horizon problem, the ones below 7 have a number length problem, so while we can stay there longer we eventually need to pull out. It's like trying to sing at the very top or bottom of one's range for a while: it will work for a while (the human voice, just like the human mind, is amazingly tolerant of inefficient usage), but soon it will hurt. Furthermore, using an odd number base seems to be rather alien to our thinking because of the extreme importance of two as a prime. But when we get to {8, 10, 12, 14} part of me thinks that one could not only have a tour, but also an entire constructed world. Consider all the symbolism associated with the decimal digits, after all. How would that change? Would 7 still be a special, sacred number in tetradecimal when it's a divisor? What would take its role? (I suspect b would.) The richness available there is incredible and is, with the exception of decimal (obviously), almost totally unexplored. How would things be different with eight, twelve, or fourteen as a base? It's an intriguing thought and perhaps comes closest to the idea of having a "tour". 
Posted by: Oschkar Jan 3 2017, 10:56 PM  
Ive actually been thinking about this. Notice that the numbers that have the most mystical symbolism associated with them are the smallest opaque coprimes of decimal: 7 and 13. Of course, 7 also gets its sacred quality from the fact that, mostly, only seven Solar System bodies can be seen with the naked eye from Earth, but the fact that there are seven, and not six or eight, seems to have been significant to many ancient cultures. In an octal conworld, Id assume that most of this kind of symbolism will be associated with the "teens". The only singledigit opaque totative of octal is 5. Im not entirely sure what 5 would correspond to (maybe the planets, excluding the Sun and the Moon?), but there already seems to be a sort of symbolism associated with the pentagram and fivefold symmetry that we dont seem to give much importance to, as a decimal culture. Id imagine that in an octal world, the mystical significance of 5 would be seriously emphasized, with 13, 15 and 17 not too far behind. Duodecimal has both 5 and 7 as opaque totatives, both leaning against the halfway point. Id imagine here that 5 and 7 would be seen as opposite in spirit, but exactly what the nature of the opposition is will probably be culturally dependent. Maybe 3 will represent the mundane and 7 the heavenly, with 5 being humanity mediating between them, the head and the limbs adding up to 5. Tetradecimal has both 5 and 7 transparent; the two opaque totatives are 9 and b. By itself, 9 doesnt seem exclusively mystical because its 3 sets of 3, but Im sure that there will be some mythological explanation for its opacity anyway. On the other hand, b is completely inaccessible, and will probably be considered even more mysterious than 7 currently is in decimal. 
Posted by: Double sharp Jan 4 2017, 06:08 AM 
In the West this sort of thing seems to correlate pretty well with the relations of the numbers to the base, while in the East it seems to simply run on what the numbers sound like. (Hence the nonstop tetraphobia which I find incredibly annoying given how omnipresent it is. It is so often and consciously avoided that I've somewhat made it a trolling point IRL ever since I first read about it as a child to include the digit 4 as much as possible whenever it can be chosen for my own things, especially in forms such as 94 "long death", 84 "prosperity [then] death", 74 "death in anger", 14 "easy death", and 64 = 4 * 4 * 4.) Part of this seems to overlap with more mathematically based reasons, but it can always be taken both ways. In Japan odd numbers are preferred because the evens can be seperated, but in China even numbers are preferred because good things supposedly tend to double. Nine is somewhat equivocal in Japan, because while it is odd, it is also 3*3 (but that usually gets thought of as lucky) and a homophone of "suffering". Somehow eight is lucky despite being even, perhaps because its kanji widens at the bottom (good things multiply, although that seems more like the Chinese version). Four just can't get a break because not only is it even, it also sounds like "death". I think the first one gives more secure speculation because the second one would require wordconstruction for the transdecimals. Still, I do think the highest digit would gain some of the symbolism associated with 9 in Chinese culture today (so 7 in octal, b in duodecimal, and d in tetradecimal). In general, though, the homophonous thing may be more relevant for your tetradecimal conlang. Even among the twodigit numbers, it seems that a few get selected and it's hard to tell why. Why 23 and 47 instead of 29 and 41, for instance? Then you have 42 which was selected for looking unremarkable. I cannot begin to imagine how something like this could be ported to tetradecimal, so I think the heptadactyl conworld would need to choose some random numbers from scratch. (EDIT: Perhaps their "answer to the universe" would be an innocuouslooking opaque semitotative product in the line of six as well, so that we might instead get six times eleven, or 4a_{{e}}.) We would also have different bases being mentioned, perhaps fictionally. Somehow tetradecimal itself is unpopular, but in the heptadactyl conworld I think octal and duodecimal would be common choices (as would perhaps be hexadecimal), with decimal perhaps being a niche and clever choice falling in a sort of uncanny valley of similarity (2*5 vs 2*7). Perhaps the powersoftwo bases would feel "modern" and the highly divisible "c" would feel a little more oldtimey, which is the impression I usually get about the views of most people who know a little about this about octal or hexadecimal vs duodecimal (it's a superficial opinion that isn't really true, even though there are legitimate reasons to prefer either eight or twelve as a base). And of course, we'd see octovigesimal vestiges (counting fingers and toes). 
Posted by: Double sharp Jan 5 2017, 08:47 AM 
The classification I'm currently thinking of works like this. Trivialscale: {2, 3}. The most fundamental of all number bases. Totally unsuitable for human use in everyday life, but very suitable for machines (hence binary and ternary computing). Lower naturalscale or smallscale: {4, 5, 6, 7}. Slightly too small to effectively use Stevin's algorithms (because the numbers of digits spiral out of hand), but could be wielded almost as efficiently as the naturalscale bases through tricks like reformulating the multiplicands as sets of instructions and trying to think of two or three digits at a time. Naturalscale: {8, 9, 10, 11, 12, (13), 14, 15}. (I give tridecimal the benefit of the doubt because at least its magnitude is reasonable, even if the difficulty of its facts is completely unreasonable.) This is the most efficient possible range, the "valley", where you want to settle down and build your civilisation up to today's level of technology. Of these, the even {8, 10, 12, 14} stand out as the most practical bases for a humanlike civilisation, although very alien beings might also consider the odd and divisible {9, 15}. Higher naturalscale or lower midscale: {16, 18, 20, 24, 28, 30}. These are the bases which are "too fast to walk, too slow to run". You can't use an alternatingbase or reciprocaldivisor system on such bases because it's too slow, but you can't memorise the full tables. (The reason why it's also called the "higher naturalscale" is because the boundaries are fuzzy: the tables of {16, 18, 20} may be reachable by dedicated mnemonists.) Midscale: {32, 36, 40, 42, 48, 50, 54, 56, 60}. These have passed out of the range of thinking of every digit as somehow "equal", but thinking using subbases and using complementary divisors or subbases work fairly well. Higher midscale or lower largescale: {64, 70, 72, 80, 84, 90, 96, 100, 108, 112, 120}. Now the complementary divisors themselves and the products you need to remember in the abbreviated multiplication table are starting to become "too fast to walk, too slow to run", and we are starting to need to use subbases instead (which works fairly well if you can keep track of both tables, but isn't really using the base; for instance, base 120 is really different from alternating 12 and 10, just like hexadecimal is not binary). These are starting to fall out of the realm of arithmetic and at best may be considered auxiliaries, though the ones up to 84 seem feasible for arithmetic. (That's why the boundaries are fuzzy.) Largescale: {144, 160, 168, 180, 192, 196, 210, 216, 240, 252}. This is about the limit of thinking about using two subbases. Beyond this, the bases are usable only as auxiliaries. Higher largescale: {300, 336, 360, 420, 480, 504}. Essentially, the main reason why you pick a base in this range is to harmonise with the number of days your planet has in a year. Extralargescale: {540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 720, 840, 960}. The higher ones are getting even too fine to use as auxiliaries: once you need to use this kind of precision, you'll probably resort to powers of the base. The exceptions may be things like 672 (the tetradecimal version of 480) and 660 (which essentially is the only good choice for an undecimal auxiliary base). Grandscale: Everything else. Among lower grand bases we have things like {17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 29, 31}, which are in the same scale as the higher naturalscale but don't have any factors to help them and just fall out of usability. Among higher grand bases you have numbers like {1080, 1260, 1440, 1680, 2160, 2520, 3360, 3780, 3960, 4200, 4320, 4620, 4680, 5040}, where the number of factors is amazing, but the numbers are just too great and require too much effort to use even as auxiliaries (since they won't harmonise well with any naturalscale base). 
Posted by: Double sharp Jan 31 2017, 08:20 AM 
@Icarus: would you mind adding my new "guest posts" for bases http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1631, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1597 and http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1610 to the tour menu thread? The ones I'm most interested to see your posts for at the moment are {22, 26, 27}, which seem to want the most engaging travelogues. I would also once again suggest {168, 180} as two of the most important grand bases (though some of Oschkar's suggestions are also very interesting.) 
Posted by: Double sharp Feb 5 2017, 04:50 PM 
What Bases Might be Included Past the Human Scale? Looking at what bases (except for prime detectives) are already included in the tour, it seems to me that up to 36, we need at least five divisors: Five divisors: 16 (tess) Six divisors: 18 (dine), 20 (score), 28 (cadeff), 32 (twive) Eight divisors: 24 (cadex), 30 (kinex) Nine divisors: 36 (exent) And up to 64 we need at least seven (I'm planning a guest post for 64): Seven divisors: 64 (twex) Eight divisors: 40 (kinoct), 42 (exeff), 54 (exove), 56 (sevoct) Ten divisors: 48 (exoct) Twelve divisors: 60 (shock) And then up to 120 we need at least nine: Nine divisors: 100 (kent) Ten divisors: 80 (octess), 112 (setess) Twelve divisors: 72 (octove), 84 (sezzen), 90 (novess), 96 (extess), 108 (catrine) Sixteen divisors: 120 (hund) There have then been so many numbers with 12 divisors that to continue, we seem to need at least fifteen up to 240: Fifteen divisors: 144 (zenent) Sixteen divisors: 168 (cadexeff), 210 (zeffchick), 216 (excue) Eighteen divisors: 180 (scorove) Twenty divisors: 240 (kinexoct) and at least eighteen past that: Eighteen divisors: 252 (zentress), 288 (notwive), 300 (zenquint) Twenty divisors: 336 (exsevoct) Twentyfour divisors: 360 (kinoctove) and 360 is so hard to beat that in the range past that we really need to match it: Twentyfour divisors: 420 (exsevess), 480 (exodess), 504 (sevoctove), 540 (exovess), 600 (cadexquint), 630 (senovess), 660 (exdessell), 672 (exeftess) before we finally beat it. Twentyeight divisors: 960 (zenodess) Thirty divisors: 720 (octovess), 1008 (senotess) Thirtytwo divisors: 840 (seveszen), 1080 (noveszen) And now, only the actual largely composites seem to stay interesting, as the lanterns in Oschkar's http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1281&view=findpost&p=40003345 flicker out and leave us groping in the dark. Thirtysix divisors: 1260 (scorsenove), 1440 (novestess) Forty divisors: 1680 (sechitess), 2160 (kintestrine) And finally, all the companions of kinsevoctove: Fortyeight divisors: 2520 (kinsevoctove), 3360 (sechitwive), 3780 (scorsetrine), 3960 (kinoctovell), 4200 (exsekent), 4320 (kintwivetrine), 4620 (exsevessell), 4680 (kinoctovithe) before we exit to the roof of the skyscraper. Sixty divisors: 5040 (sevoctovess) All these are just "gut feelings", of course, fuelled by possibly inappropriate extrapolation. 
Posted by: icarus Aug 15 2017, 08:35 PM 
Work has resumed on the coding effort. See the http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=621&st=120&#entry40002492. 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 25 2017, 03:44 AM 
I have been going through some of the older threads and "upgraded" them to include some of the data that typically goes in, such as full multiplication tables to base 30, abbreviated tables, and so forth. Next will probably be the addition of abbreviated tables to the bases {21, 35}, and maybe {17, 19} even though the abbreviation for these primes is meaningless, because it is done for {109}. Regarding plans for future tours, I will probably make {45, 50, 64} soon; the last one brings us another binary power, 45 brings us an odd 5smooth base of the form α^{2}β to see how they look, and the middle one us one of Treisaran's "near misses" of the form αβ^{2}. This would complete the decimal multiples as we have a complete set of dozenal multiples up to ten. Meanwhile, I have asked Icarus to generate {22, 26, 27}, since he previously remarked that he had notes for these; he has some time this week, so they should be coming. I think {2, 3, 4} will remain unlinked for now. (Nevertheless, I wonder if I could do them. I get that binary and ternary require a lot of talk about their applications, but surely base 4 is no harder to cover in a tour than base 6?) I have added a few abbreviations of the tables for 16, but given that this base is likely in the humanscale, it starts to become a little suspect if this makes sense. I think it does because rolling odd products is essentially the only way to learn the difficult totative lines, although the line of c may not be that hard and may be taught for itself as well as by rolling the threes. Icarus' sketchbook contains abbreviated tables for the bases {10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 40, 42, 44, 45, 48, 54, 56, 60, 64, 66, 70, 72, 80, 84, 90, 96, 120}. I think this is a little irrelevant for the humanscale bases, so I will just use this as a guide for the bases not in anyone's plans for the tour yet: {33, 38, 44, 66}. I am not sure if these clunky products of 11 and 19 with few redeeming features are going to interest anyone, but if anyone cares, you can reply and I'll put them in my plans... As for the grand bases, I don't think we need any more detailed tours for the most part, except maybe for {168, 180, 216, 420, 840}. What I think we could do is have a "grand base mashup", which would give digit and divisibility maps, together with vital statistics, of {120, 144, 168, 180, 210, 216, 240, 252, 288, 300, 336, 360, 420, 480, 504, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 720, 840, 960, 1008, 1080, 1260, 1440, 1680, 2160, 2310, 2520} in its most ideal form. I think this is easy to automatically generate with no accompanying verbal explanation but headers like "Base 300 = 2^2 * 3 * 5^2", but some of the larger ones might not fit in one post. If they somehow do, then maybe we can think about the leviathans {3360, 3780, 3960, 4200, 4320, 4620, 4860, 5040} , though I believe the point has been made by the time we hit 2520. 
Posted by: Oschkar Oct 25 2017, 05:46 AM 
Im willing to do {168, 180}, but I dont really have the time for it... Do we have a list of octal and tetradecimal multiples up to ten? {8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48, 56, 72, 80} are already covered, and {64} is within your plans. {14, 28, 42, 56, 70, 84, 112} are covered. {98} doesnt seem useful; its another of Treisarans αβ^{2} near misses, but one that is worse both intrinsically and extrinsically than {50}, and at twice the size. {126} may seem interesting just for being a product of 2, 3 and 7 next to a power of 5, but its only singly even. {140}, on the other hand, doesnt seem to have any redeeming features. Its prime signature is α^{2}βγ, like that of {60, 84}, but as icarus said in the title for base 28, too much water weakens the tea. (However, we can imagine a society using base 28, at least at a stage at which most people dont need to do much math beyond counting and adding.) 
Posted by: Double sharp Oct 25 2017, 07:02 AM 
Hmm, yeah, I should add {126} to my list. It is kind of like 80, being next to a perfect power of the prime it misses in its factorisation. 10 has the same pattern at a smaller level, and if we relax things a little {24, 26, 28} also show up as possibilities. The only problem is that 126 is only singly even, as you say. (And the next even is the septuply even 128! But neither 128 nor 256 have anything really interesting in their neighbours, so I'll give them a miss.) Maybe 105 = 3 5 7 deserves a tour, too. Or even the abundant 945 = 3^3 5 7. I think Icarus' already covered 99 already shows all the good stuff about 98 and unites it with the squares from the decimal hundred. (And I have a hard time not calling 98 and 99 "duodecentesimal" and "undecentesimal" respectively. ) Fifty has a better neighbour, although I feel sorry for 2 and 3 in it, being upstaged by 5 and 7. I think most bases covered here, except the really grand ones, could be used civilisationally at the stage you mention. I'd say that that's the level it makes sense to think about all those more baroque means of computation, and posit a lower midscale from 18 to 60 and a higher midscale from 60 to 120. But only for hexadecimal does it ever seem to get as good as a humanscale base, so much so that I would call it one. Among hexadecimal multiples, {128} is pretty useless, and {160} is another case of "too much water weakens the tea". Mashups I'm intrigued by the ones we already have (midscale, 60 vs 120, dozens, primorials, prime detectives), so I'll suggest a few more: 1. Power of 2 mashup (up to 256 or 512, mentioned earlier in the thread) Every number is next to a multiple of 2 or 3, if it's not 1; every square to a multiple of 5; every cube to a multiple of 7; every fifth power to a multiple of 11; and so on (just subtract 1 from the prime and halve it). The powers of 2 are the smallest numbers of the form α^n that can illustrate this. 2. Prime mashup (up to 19? 31?) Because λ(24) = 2, and λ(n) > 2 for all n > 24 (where λ is Carmichael's reduced totient function), every prime square from 5^2 onwards is one more than a multiple of 24. This all but guarantees good omegas, and sometimes the alphas are also interesting: at the very least, one of them must also contain 5, because λ(240) = 4. 5^2: α = 2 * 13, ω = 2^3 * 3 7^2: α = 2 * 5^2; ω = 2^4 * 3 11^2: α = 2 * 61, ω = 2^3 * 3 * 5 13^2: α = 2 * 5 * 17, ω = 2^3 * 3 * 7 17^2: α = 2 * 5 * 29, ω = 2^5 * 3^2 19^2: α = 2 * 181, ω = 2^3 * 3^2 * 5 23^2: α = 2 * 5 * 53, ω = 2^4 * 3 * 11 29^2: α = 2 * 421, ω = 2^3 * 3 * 5 * 7 31^2: α = 2 * 13 * 37, ω = 2^6 * 3 * 5 3. SHCN mashup Much more practical than the HCN mashup, going to 2520 or 5040 with a similar range to the primorials. 4. Grand base mashup Already explained in my previous post. This makes for very good indirect relationships that don't quite assuage the problem of severe detuning past 7 or maybe 13. 5. [2, 1] prime signature mashup (edited in later) Mentioned in Icarus' tour post for {18}, and I think it would be interesting to compare the humanscale {12} with the higher naturalscale bases, like the almostmanageable {18, 20} and the more unwieldy {28}, and then the totally oversized {44, 45, 50, 52}. Side Reading Material I'll shamelessly plug my humanscale and your higher naturalscale threads here. I'd have plugged the lower naturalscale one, but only 6 really stands out there, and I have treated it as a humanscale base throughout (like 16). One thing that seems a bit lacking is a discussion of the "odd natural scale". It seems to me that the odd bases {7, 9, 11, 13, 15} need significant pedagogical changes from the even natural scale, and I am curious if the fact that I can't think of solutions for them is anything more than just a lack of imagination. The odd humanscale bases have a prime power (9), a semiprime (15), and some primes (7 as a medium one and 11 and 13 as fairly large). (I think 5 is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and if 18 and 20 are nontrivially too hard, then 17 and 19 must be writeoffs.) What they lack is a vast composite like 12, which no odd numbers match until 45. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 2 2017, 02:04 PM 
http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1795 is here! I've noticed that alternation is a much more extendable method for bringing lots of "weird numbers" in the lower midscale into personal use, mostly because complementary divisors and other "singledigit methods" seem to get exhausted unless your base really is largely composite. 24 and 30 work well with complementary divisors, but 28 doesn't really: it seems to need to be treated as {2:14} or {4:7}. And while stuff like {21} or {35} have severe tuning problems in complementary divisors thanks to 20 and 36 being next door respectively, they become thinkable as {3:7} and {5:7}. Most of these semiprimes look rather boring, but one caught my eye in particular: {65}, which is 5*13 and neighbours 64 = 2^6 (granting it immense binarypower resolution for an odd base) and 66 = 2*3*11 (granting it immense infill for most of the primes it lacks). It is quite like the "prime detectives" {21, 34, 55, 99} in this respect. P.S. 1200 posts! 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 3 2017, 02:33 PM 
Base http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1796 has been completed, and {480, 960} are in the works based on Icarus' other post for 960 for the ginormous digit map that these entail. Hopefully I can get 45 and 50 posted up soon. Together with {22, 26, 27} coming from Icarus, that should easily give you all a good deal of reading material for the start of November! 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 4 2017, 09:07 AM 
And here is http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1797, as noted by Oschkar. I hope the sin of not including the AMT is forgivable, because the one for 120 is already borderline too big, and it seemed like too much work for not much gain. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 5 2017, 05:07 AM 
So, Ive been looking at Robins inequality once more, since my new computer was able to compute the ratio for all numbers up to 21621600 in less than half an hour. I limited the output to the bases with a ratio under 9/8, just to keep the amount of data manageable. There are 800 such bases, the smallest of which are eminently recognizable to us. However, since the function depends only on the divisors, excluding any influence from the neighbourfactors, its difficult to obtain a completely fair assessment of the utility of many of these numbers as bases. Regardless, it is very close. For example, {56, 80} dont quite make the cut, whereas {132} does. Although 132 does have more and larger divisors than both 56 and 80, it is less suited to be a number base. It contains the prime factor 11, which is too large for subitization, and doesnt have the neighbour relationships that a base in its scale should have. On the list, there are numbers with up to 10 binary powers, 6 ternary powers, 4 quinary powers, 3 septimal powers, 2 powers each of {11, 13, 17}, and 1 power of the following primes up to 47. The largest binarypower, 3smooth, 5smooth and 7smooth bases are {32, 432, 10800, 1209600}, respectively. On the other hand, the largest bases in the list not divisible by {2, 3, 5, 7} are {15, 40, 2016, 617760}, respectively. Discarding non7smooth numbers and the subitizable bases {2, 3, 4}, the smallest bases not yet included in the Tour are currently {168}, the tetradecimal longhundred analogue; {192}, a byte threequarters full; {216}, the senary thousand; {252}, the tetradecimal halfturn, and {288}, which is two gross to even begin to describe. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 05:37 AM 
I see you've been reading some of my hopeless speculation about subitising against {2, 3, 4, (5)} and primes over 7... To be fair, the neighbours will provide much less penetration than the divisors. This seems obvious: if your number has a lot of divisors, then bumping it up or down by one will turn them all into coprimes. Thus it's not really surprising why so many HCNs are primeflanks. Even in something like 120, 119 and 121 are surely much less divisible than 120. Their importance comes from the fact that they have the smallest coprimes: 7, 11, and 17 provide significantly more penetration than 59 and 61. In a way, levanunqual (base 132) is already covered in the http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=768. I'm also not terribly interested in it, but I am intrigued by the idea of adding 66 to the tours. For one thing, while it is clear that switching 7 for 11 is not a good deal, surely we need to show the consequences once, by taking the good pattern of 2*3*5=30 and 2*3*7=42 and continuing it to the notsodesirable 2*3*11=66. (For similar reasons, I think there's a place for 3*5*7=105.) Some of these numbers are echoes of the power of 24, the double dozen and crown jewel of the lower midscale: it controls its totatives and their squares perfectly, so that all totatives square to 1 mod 24. This is why, next to many of the prime squares, we get nice dozenal multiples: {24, 48, 120, 168, 288, 360} are all highly divisible numbers that are nicely positioned, and many of the small primes seem "better" than they really are as bases thanks to them. (528 isn't nearly as nice, probably because of that elevenfactor, but 840, 960, 1680, and 5040 are interesting.) Most of these are pretty anonymous, though. By the time we get to 240, we already have a fairly bad load of semitotatives, and the HCNs from 360 onwards all start to look alike. The tetradecimal analogues {168, 336, 504, 672} are perhaps the most interesting of the bunch. But then again, that makes them pretty easy to "phone in", so that you might actually see some of these leviathans before I get around to 50... 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 5 2017, 05:55 AM 
What I find interesting about the sequence is its subexponential growth. I dont understand genetic programming yet, so I cant write a symbolic regression script to determine the best fit function; however, it was too steep for power regression and too slow for exponential regression. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 06:09 AM  
Here is http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1798, born out of copypasting from 960, and procrastinating for 168. It would be interesting to see what happens to the ratios in the very long run. They really do dip significantly at the SHCNs: 55440 is much lower at 1.01 than all the others around it near 1.1, and a similar effect happens at 720720, 1441440, 4324320, and 21621600. Theorem 323 of Hardy and Wright says that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_superior_and_limit_inferior σ(n) / n log log n = e^γ and it would be nice to see this in action  that is, if the scale of the numbers involved was not too impractical. P.S. Having done {480, 504}, it seems that I have more or less forced myself to include all the "companions of kinoctove" as well in the LCN sequence. So, we have to do {168, 336, 420, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672}, and then also {216, 252, 300, 840}. Well, you can probably expect to see some of them soon... 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 5 2017, 06:22 AM 
Well, Ill try, but my algorithm seems to run in something like O(n^{2} log^{2} n) time. Perhaps I should limit myself to SHCNs, which, having relatively small prime factors, wouldnt strain the primegenerating function for Eratosthenes sieve as much. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 07:18 AM  
That would likely improve things a great deal! I wonder: when I do 168, should I give the figures as tetradecimalcoded or decimalcoded? There is a precedent in giving dozenalcoded figures for some of the 3smooth bases by Icarus himself, and tetradecimal coding really highlights the similarities with 120. The drawback of course is that it is harder to read without tetradecimal fluency. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 07:20 AM 
We appear to have once again encountered the old bug where the last page of posts does not show up. Hence this post, completely vacuous of content, apart from to get the previous reply showing up again on page 9. So that it is not completely vacuous of content, here is a list of some smallish SHCN: {2, 6, 12, 60, 120, 360, 2520, 5040, 55440, 720720, 1441440, 4324320, 21621600, 367567200, 6983776800, 13967553600, 321253732800, 2248776129600, 65214507758400, 195643523275200, 6064949221531200}. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 5 2017, 07:23 AM  
And here are their Robins ratios, calculated in a fraction of a second:

Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 07:34 AM 
It originally seemed so implausible from the previous data that the limit superior would really go back to 1, but now it certainly seems a lot more plausible. (Oh, I know there is a proof, but there's a difference between being intellectually convinced and being viscerally convinced, and now I can say I am both instead of being only the first. ) So it seems that as the base gets really "supergrand" things do get a bit better, but if Riemann's hypothesis is right never better than 5040. At least these numbers put power in all the right places; no one really cares if 982451653 is opaque, surely? I wonder how long we can go on? Here are some more, leading to the first sixty: {12129898443062400, 448806242393308800, 18401055938125660800, 791245405339403414400, 37188534050951960476800, 185942670254759802384000, 9854961523502269526352000, 581442729886633902054768000, 1162885459773267804109536000, 12791740057505945845204896000, 780296143507862696557498656000, 2340888430523588089672495968000, 156839524845080402008057229856000, 11135606264000708542572063319776000, 812899257272051723607760622343648000, 64219041324492086165013089165148192000, 834847537218397120145170159146926496000, 69292345589126960972049123209194899168000, 6167018757432299526512371965618346025952000, 12334037514864599053024743931236692051904000, 1196401638941866108143400161329959129034688000, 120836565533128476922483416294325872032503488000, 12446166249912233123015791878315564819347859264000, 1331739788740608944162689730979765435670220941248000, 9322178521184262609138828116858358049691546588736000, 1016117458809084624396132264737561027416378578172224000, 114821272845426562556762945915344396098050779333461312000, 1951961638372251563464970080560854733666863248668842304000, 247899128073275948560051200231228551175691632580942972608000, 32474785777599149261366707230290940204015603868103529411648000, 4449045651531083448807238890549858807950137729930183529395776000, 618417345562820599384206205786430374305069144460295510586012864000, 1855252036688461798152618617359291122915207433380886531758038592000, 9276260183442308990763093086796455614576037166904432658790192960000, 1382162767332904039623700869932671886571829537868760466159738751040000, 208706577867268509983178831359833454872346260218182830390120551407040000, 3965424979478101689680397795836835642574578944145473777412290476733760000, 7930849958956203379360795591673671285149157888290947554824580953467520000, 1245143443556123930559644907892766391768417788461678766107459209694400640000}. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 5 2017, 07:43 AM  
Anything higher, and the script hangs for a few seconds and throws an overflow error. The ratios really seem to lie at around 1.023. Maybe the SHCN arent the numbers that minimize it. After all, in the list up to 21621600, the base that came closest to 1 was the surprisingly low {420}, with a ratio of 1.0009884030130405. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 08:01 AM 
Yeah, but 420 is also pretty small compared to these SHCNs. After all, 9 doesn't have an ideal composition by any stretch of the imagination, but it is even a Robin's inequality violator, simply because it's so small. It is quite possible that the convergence down to 1 is very slow, leading to conjectures like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendre%27s_constant (literally; I don't think he'd have been too thrilled to find that his new constant was in fact unity). Well, I suppose I shall have to be left in the dark for a little longer! But here is the longprocrastinated http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1799 tour, at least! Current list of offerings not yet on Icarus' OP: http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1797, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1799, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1798. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 5 2017, 03:42 PM 
Double sharp, If you want to miss the mess about the maps, why not write what you will, then I can generate any map in less than a second. I mean, jeez I remember building these huge maps and it took hours. I am not joking that all I have to do is run flexCell on your desired base and you can get a map. Just leave me a placeholder and when I visit I'll pop it in. The time constraint is writing the prose. The generation of maps is so simple and fast it is more or less trivial. The code generates the HTML and it is cutandpaste. Edit: added links in the menu! 
Posted by: icarus Nov 5 2017, 06:40 PM 
Today I have added some observations associated with my latest number sequences. These sequences are (in our nomenclature): http://oeis.org/A292867, http://oeis.org/A293555, semitotativedominant numbers (in the making) odd semitotative dominant numbers, and of course, http://oeis.org/A244052. The highly semitotative number designation may be trivial because semitotatives can be troublesome. It is interesting to note whether a number is highly regular or highly composite. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 5 2017, 09:35 PM 
Double sharp: I have added several large bases in the http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1043 thread. These were some you'd mentioned. Perhaps my cooking up maps and your prose is the best way to attack them. I have summarized the bulk qualities of the bases. The register program furnishes a heck of a lot of things, like fractions and suggested auxiliaries and "round" numbers, etc. in the base; most of these are ridiculous for the larger bases. If you expand these you need to use the CSS in the first new post (for the richnesses and long primes). How about this. If you expand these, I will take them out of the "Random Bases" so that we don't stack up a ton of maps in two places. Decided to go with the huge ones you seem to be interested in graphing. Will do the little ones soon. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 5 2017, 11:53 PM 
Sure! I'll get to them in several hours  I really hate composing this sort of post by mobile. I do like writing the prose indeed: I usually just take a cursory look at most of these and can write a story based on what I see (which lately has mostly been just "highly divisible number that is too large for natural computation"). So far, I'm going for (among the grand bases): 216 = senary thousand 252 = half a tetradecimal turn 300 = metric foot 336 = tetradecimal sd 420 = tetradecimal circle possibility 540 = one and a half turns (and again the danger of overemphasising 3) 600 = two metric feet 630, 660, 672 = more peers of 360 840 (another HCN) How long can the tables get without hitting the post limit? That's basically the only reason I'm not suggesting {1260, 1680, 2310, 2520, 5040}, honestly. The prose is mostly the reason I have left stuff like {22, 26, 27} alone: they are small enough (indeed might be considered "superhumanscale") that they are more than observatories or case studies. If most of these bases are like random asteroids, useful for a few lessons only to take back, the human scale is veritably the "habitable zone" with large, habitable planets (with a few boiled over like Venus, like the primes past 7), and the bases around it are at the very least dwarf planets like Ceres or Pluto. We can't live there, in the higher naturalscale, but they are not all that alien compared to the depth that would be required to use pure base 60 or 120 or 360. I haven't worked enough in these bases to really feel qualified as a "tour guide". Let's see. What do I see on a cursory glance about {22, 26, 27}? Clearly there are two groups here: 27 stands on its own as a prime power, while 22 and 26 pattern as even semiprimes, like 10 and 14 for superhumans. The high prime factor causes some strangeness; most regular digits are powers of two, while the prime itself reads only as "half". Thus far we see a similar pattern to 10 and 14. 22 has some "brotherhood" with 21 while 26 is nestled between two prime powers. But I think your prose is better for such things; there are some things that we can miss in this range if we haven't used the base. (I noticed some things like that in the tours for 20 and 24, which I added myself; but then the tour for 20 was one of the earliest produced anyway.) I wonder: in base 10, the sevenfactor feels weird, and 3 feels good and normal as infill. In base 14, both 3 and 5 feel good as infill, so the SHCNs feel incredibly round until 2520 and 5040. But how would they feel in bases like 11? Numbers like 55440 just have a really long mantissa and we may have to forgo the elevenfactor entirely to get a convenient number. 
Posted by: Oschkar Nov 6 2017, 01:52 AM 
By the way, icarus, check your PM inbox. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 6 2017, 01:55 AM 
Double sharp, Well I tried to post both tables for 840 in one and hit the limit about 250 through the second. We can post an image. That's not as desirable but still totally doable. I have stubbed the huge bases with placeholders a long while back (http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1171, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1169, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1170). If you want to use those, you can put the prose there and I can move it, etc. if that is keen, or just start a new thread and I'll attach new graphs. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 6 2017, 03:47 AM 
I wanted to use your threads for 1260 and 1680 for the images too, but they were locked... Anyway, it seems likely then that the largest base that we might be able to put full maps for might be around 960 or 1080 or something like that. You know, one way I thought of handling the really grand bases is through a sort of "mashup". From 360 = 18:20 onwards, I can no longer really think of a practical way to handle many of those high bases in twobase alternation, and we reach the range of threebase alternation. So perhaps what we could do is have a fully automated thread giving all the largely composites from 120 or 360 onward, rather like what you've posted so far at the Random Bases thread! We could call it the "grand scale mashup". Meanwhile I can post the real threads up to 840 and talk about the potential for auxiliary use for the companions of kinoctove (many look good in decimal and those that don't look good in tetradecimal, while 660 seems to look good in undecimal). Past 840, though, I think the resolution is too fine; I can't imagine people using 2520 or 5040 as auxiliaries, even in a tetradecimal world where these look nice. But like Oschkar I can imagine packs of 2520 items to be split as 42 times 60. That's why I find the idea of auxiliaries for such bases so amusing. 480 doesn't need an auxiliary; it is an auxiliary for decimal (and also for octal, which I should edit in)! 
Posted by: icarus Nov 6 2017, 04:42 AM 
Double sharp: I unlocked them. I like the mashup idea. It gathers them all in one place. If you write the prose and leave a spot, I'll place the charts (I don't care about my post numbers if you don't care that I edit your placeholders ; ) ). I can do analysis if you like as it is automated (numbers of divisors, etc.) Tell me what you want to count. I count every dang thing. Opaque semitotatives, double tall no whip skim frappucino, whatever you want. I even have right and left trim rules, weird things that don't "have a color". The register is really atomized. I just gave aggregate quantities (divisors, regulars, neutrals, semidivisors, semitotatives, totatives, alpha/omega, wieferiches if useful, quadratic residues). This way you can set up the entire thread as you like and I can come in and put in the maps, analysis, yada yada. Use this rule of thumb: about 500 (sorry for the decimal!), we need two posts per base. If we have to go to images, we still need two posts per base. Images are good but not quite to 5040 unless I can find a sound way to make the image slightly smaller (I can, just have to look for the point size control, etc.) 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 6 2017, 05:17 AM 
Sure, the full analysis would be nice. It would surely be almost completely automatic anyway past 120. I think I will start the "grand base mashup" thread shortly. The only question is where to start: is it a problem that it may make some of the threads already there (360, 420, 480, 504, 720, 840) start looking a little redundant? At least those are reasonable auxiliaries, so perhaps the slightly more detailed version is fine. This is my planned roadmap to the grand base mashup: {120, 126, 144, 150, 160, 168, 180, 192, 210, 216, 240, 252, 288, 300, 336, 351, 360, 420, 432, 480, 504, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 714, 720, 840, 900, 945, 960, 1000, 1008, 1080, 1200, 1260, 1440, 1680, 1728, 2160, 2310, 2520, 2925, 3360, 3780, 3960, 4200, 4320, 4620, 4680, 5040, 5985}. I think that should cover every single base that might be of any plausible interest up there, but if you think I have committed some unforgivable sin by omitting a particular favourite, please go ahead and suggest some, hopefully before the spamming begins... I appreciate that 120 is not strictly a grand base but it certainly sets the tone for what happens afterwards as a stepping point going up the mountain. EDIT: Although now that I think about it, 120 and 126 pattern a great deal more with 80 and 84 because of the transparency they get that never gets replicated again, and 144 patterns rather with 36, 64, and 100. So I will probably start with 150. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 6 2017, 02:41 PM  
@Icarus, I think I finally figured out a good idea to avoid the poststacking problem: Most of the grand bases look pretty much the same and there is nothing really new to write on most of them. The tone is pretty much set by the HCNs up to 240 and 360, and the weird prime detectors and interesting odd numbers are kind of already explained thoroughly by what happens with {99, 105, 117, 351}. Which reminds me that I should put http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1110 {105, 117} on the list for the odd high midscale bases... So I would love it if you simply spammed out automatically generated posts, like the ones at the "Random Bases" thread, for the aforementioned grand bases {150, 160, 168, 180, 192, 210, 216, 240, 252, 288, 300, 336, 351, 360, 420, 432, 480, 504, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 714, 720, 840, 900, 945, 960, 1000, 1008, 1080, 1200, 1260, 1440, 1680, 1728, 2160, 2310, 2520, 2925, 3360, 3780, 3960, 4200, 4320, 4620, 4680, 5040, 5985} at a new thread (maybe "Random Grand Bases", even!). That would provide a sort of very quick tourist brochure to these metaphorical little hamlets, instead of the interesting villages that are in the midscale up to 120, and the giant metropolises of the humanscale. It should not be difficult at all if I understand you correctly that you can just grab them straightaway from the flexCell output! If I find any that are of particular interest, I can then grab the maps from there and flesh them out into new threads, like I've just done for http://[URL=http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1169. The ones I anticipate writing up detailed prose for that are not already done are {192, 216, 252, 288, 300, 336, 420, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 1260, 1680, 2520, 5040}, and almost certainly no more. I really don't mind if you keep them in the "Random Bases" thread for the moment, since it takes a little while to formulate the prose! But I don't think many of those "spammy" huge bases need much prose, with the exceptions of those I listed in the previous paragraph. I will try to do them quickly, but may need to space them out a little due to lack of time: I will likely only have time for one a day, except on the weekends when I can do more. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 6 2017, 03:22 PM  
You are forgiven for the decimal, indeed! Let's say 480 or 504. Thanks for unlocking the threads, BTW, though http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1167 and http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1168 are still locked. What I said before stands, though: for bases past 120 or 144, I think the best approach is for you to make a completely automated thread for {http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1802&view=findpost&p=40013307, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1802&view=findpost&p=40013308, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1799, http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1795, 192, 210, 216, 240, 252, 288, 300, 336, 351, 360, 420, 432, 480, 504, 540, 600, 630, 660, 672, 714, 720, 840, 900, 945, 960, 1000, 1008, 1080, 1200, 1260, 1440, 1680, 1728, 2160, 2310, 2520, 2925, 3360, 3780, 3960, 4200, 4320, 4620, 4680, 5040, 5985} (sorry for the spam, but I'm trying to cover every single base I remember someone mentioning in the past), using flexCell to generate each number in a fraction of a second, with no actual content. Then I can come in and use the maps for the most interesting ones to make some actual threads out of, while people can take a brief tourist brochure for the ones that make you think "oh, cool" for a moment. New completed numbers have link 
Posted by: icarus Nov 6 2017, 03:52 PM 
Double sharp, Will start. flexCell gives me map data in a fraction of a second. I have not written a script for placing raw register data into text. I set up a http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1802; see above post for links to specific numbers. Note: might write some brief code to automate the little paragraph I am writing. I mean it is silly for me to find all of this by hand when I have a good dataset. Just need to truncate data that is overly long. Need to run an errand and then finish composing a talk I will give Friday. More later. Yes I need to write code. Keep finding little errors. Notify me here if there are errors. 201711061251: I have written a code that extracts the relevant information from the register for a summary paragraph. This should cut down the error and still get us what we're looking for. Writing a prose engine is a little more involved and would delay. After a few are put up I might undertake it. 201711061342: Here's what the extractor looks like: {name: , twenty eight, octovigesimal, biquadral} {tops: , {a highly semitotative, eighth}} {distinct primes:, p, {2, 28, 7.14%, (08'68 69 grade)}} {prime factors: , {2, 2}, {7, 1}} {class: , neither squarefree nor a prime power} {prime signature: , 21, 12} {divisors: , {d, {6, 28, 21.4%, (25'85 86 grade)}}, {1, 2, 4, 7, 14, 28}} {regulars: , {g, {8, 28, 28.6%, (34'34 34 grade)}}, {1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 14, 16, 28}} {sd, {2, 28, 7.14%, (08'68 69 grade)}} {semitotatives: , {h, {9, 28, 32.1%, (38'68 69 grade)}}, {6, 10, 12, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26}} {totatives: , {t, {12, 28, 42.9%, (51'51 51 grade)}}, {1, 3, 5, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 23, 25, 27}, prime: , {3, 5, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23}} {omega: , {3, 9, 27}} {alpha: , {29}} {long primes, {5, 11, 13, 17, 23, 41, 43, 67, 71, 73, 79, 89, 101, 107}} {wieferich and order: , {3 > 3, 19 > 2, 23 > 2}} {quadratic residues: , {sq, {8, 28, 28.6%, (34'34 34 grade)}}, {0, 1, 4, 8, 9, 16, 21, 25}} > Just the facts, ma'am! Note: "grade" is a centovigesimal "percent" I was going to use on the website. 201711061402: The extractor streamlines the paragraph writing exercise! But I have to get to work. So more tomorrow. And yes I discovered the color button omggggg 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 7 2017, 12:40 AM 
Do you have the source text or example of the base tour that we could use. When i was in defence, i did a proggie that took data, and printed a word document as output. A lot of the extract stuff looks like it could be calculated in the script. Sevenites from a lookup table, non Gaussian primes ditto. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 7 2017, 02:06 AM  
Wendy, The register is a Mathematica program that calculates all aspects of a number base. I wrote it between late 2016 and August. It's quite long now. Here is raw output for base eighteen:

Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 02:22 AM  
I think semitotativedominance is useful to note, but it really only becomes something to stop and be shocked by when it starts infesting the HCNs themselves. We are not too surprised that 26 is like that, but 28 is more of a shock, and 48 is really a shock. BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that raw output for base 18 instead of 14? 
Posted by: icarus Nov 7 2017, 03:17 AM 
I have a conjecture that semitotatives are the most common sort of digit. They are very rare for the smallest bases. Only first show up in octal (6), nonary (6), decimal (6), duodecimal (10), etc. See http://oeis.org/A243823. 144 is the smallest semitotativedominant number. They become very common. It starts {144, 162, 174, 186, 192, 198, 200, 204, 216, ...}. I will pose the sequence once I am back from travel this weekend as A294575. Highly semitotative numbers set records for the number of semitotatives. The study I wrote appears http://oeis.org/A292868/a292868.txt. That sequence starts {1, 8, 14, 16, 20, 22, 26, 28, 32, 38, 40, ...}. Semitotatives "infect" the primorials at 30030. It's hard to grasp that the primorials are highly regular but also highly semitotative. We are used to divisors being significant since we deal in small numbers, but divisors become proportionally infinitesimal as the primorial increases. Most regulars are semidivisors, which are themselves a pretty small part. Primorials minimize the totatives proportionally, so primorials, once regulars are sufficiently paltry in number, are heavily semitotative dominant. Saying a primorial is highly regular is not quite the same as highly semitotative at the same scale after 30030. I can extend this http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1080&view=findpost&p=22105688 to fifteen bars now, but it's clear where it's going. It shows the relation of "highly regular" to "highly semitotative". The chart below the bars shows neutral (as a surrogate for semitotative) and it shows that primorials, when they get ginormous, are mostly semitotatives, with a little bit of totatives, and vanishingly, vanishingly rare regulars, not to mention divisors. These huge primorials are also highly regular! This is why the answer is "not in the mountains". 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 03:54 AM 
The thing about small numbers is that they are very special. Almost all numbers are not small. And there are so few small numbers that that are not so many opportunities for different patterns within them and so we may be fooled often by either coincidences, or by special properties that rely on smallness. The start of this regime which continues forever at 144 is a good case for saying that the midscale stops at about 120 or maybe 126, since this is another gear shift. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 7 2017, 04:13 AM 
Yes, there are several interesting numbertheoretical (call them structural) lines: Divisor dominance or parity: (A020490): {1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 18, 24, 30} (for regular dominance A275881, just leave out 24). This indicates the range of bases where we have a shot at having an abundance of simple regular divisibility rules, multiplicative patterns, etc. The superior highly composite numbers A002201 may make for some "borders": {2, 6, 12, 60, 120, 360, 2520, 5040, 55440, 720720, 1441440, 4324320, ...} This, simply as a set of cues. The highly regular numbers (A244052) are divided into tiers of equal omega (A001221) by primorials (A002110): {1, 2, 6, 30, 210, 2310, 30030, 510510, 9699690, ...} Again, a set of cues. The inception of neutraldominant numbers (A083244): {42, 54, 60, 66, 70, 72, 78, 84, 90, 96, 98, 100, 102, 108, 110, 114, 120, ...} This is a weaker inferred structural border that shows where divisorstotatives succombs to semidivisorsemitotatives. The inception of semitotativedominant numbers (A294595): {144, 162, 174, 186, 192, 198, 200, 204, 216, 220, 222, 228, 230, 234, 238, 240, ...} This is a stronger border that shows where we begin to get "infected" or swamped by a lot of mixed composites that require compound rules. Sometimes they are good (digit 6 base 10), bad (digit 10 base 12), or ugly. The "injection" or "infection" of the primorials (which are "superior highly regular") by highlysemitotative status at 30030. EDIT: A better location might be the appearance of 2310 in A294595 above. 2310 is semitotativedominant. This is a tipping point where regulars are no longer ever able to "best" semitotatives; the latter begins to burgeon even in "good" numbers (rich in regulars and divisors) like the SHCNs and the primorials. These structural bases (plural of basis here) are grounds that support a line at around 3042, one at around 120144, and one superhuge one between 231030030 (as if it mattered). That last one is where even the superior highly regular bases are infected by semitotatives. Now when we say "infected" by semitotatives, recognize that even in small bases, we have semicoprime numbers that "would" be semitotatives were the base larger, even at a smaller magnitude. These highly regular numbers have a pretty large smallest semitotative. So they do reduce the occasion of semitotatives in the small range, it's just that we admit scads of them due to the gargantuan magnitude of the base. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 04:24 AM 
I suppose the "ugly" sort of semitotative would involve such concoctions as digit478 base 720, which is 2 * 239. This is of course the most common sort; transparent (e.g. decimal 6) or semitransparent (e.g. dozenal a) totatives are very rare because the neighbours can't ameliorate everything past a certain point. The first time we get a really bad semitotative is hexadecimal e, which is opaque; the first time we get a not only bad but also fairly useless one is probably tetravigesimal m. The main issue is that there's a difference between single digits and numbers above "10". The former group are simple elements that have to be manipulated, at least if we for simplicity think only about pure bases. The latter group are meant to be broken down additively. It doesn't really matter that 478 is a semicoprime number in decimal because we can work with it simply as 400 + 70 + 8. But when it is a digit, it does matter. The need to break down numbers to visualise them past a certain point seems to be so innate that I really doubt a base higher than 20 to 30 could ever fly. Even in that range, I presume there would be a lot of subbase thinking, and the quadratically increasing size of the multiplication table would push them over the line for actual use. The "break" at 30, and the falling out of 24 when we consider regulars as well as divisors, seems to indicate that mathematical considerations are at one with psychological considerations in telling us to go back down the mountain already at about 18 or 20. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 04:25 AM 
Why does the "missing last post" bug keep happening? It happened at the start of page 9 and again at the start of page 10. Hopefully this post will fix it. EDIT: Yes, it did. But can we perhaps look into a more permanent solution that doesn't involve this sort of vacuous post? 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 7 2017, 08:12 AM  
I'm looking at a rexx script to make the tables, but the sample table (300) seems to have some errors in it. At the moment, i am writing the storyboards, and it looks like this.

Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 7 2017, 08:20 AM 
I'm still not sure about how to proceed with the primes. Over 3/4 of the primes have a period that is derived from Gauss's rule, split between the long, short in slightly equal proportions. Of the nongaussian primes, we could simply list these at the foot of the table. In short, it's a matter of deriving the reduced index, which is varying 1, 2, or something bigger. The period of the prime is (p1)/i. We can accurately uses gauss's rule to find the value is even or odd, and for proper powers, if i  2x, (where x is the exponent), then the gaussianfermat rules suffice. For example, for base 16, x = 4, so we reject any value where i divides 8. The first instance is 31, where i=6, and we seek a division into 30 gives a period of 5, rather than the default doublesquare value of 15. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 08:23 AM 
The different shades of grey for the coprimes indicates the length of their periods, IIRC. EDIT: Yes, darkest grey is period (p1), medium grey is period (p1)/2, and lightest grey is anything shorter (except of course periods 1, 2, and 4, which are coloured as omega, alpha, squareomega, or squarealpha). 
Posted by: wendy.krieger Nov 7 2017, 08:46 AM  
I was looking at your '300' table, and noticed that neither 91 nor 161 were coloured in some R2 colour. (ie alpha, omega, or the product). What do you do with composites in general class. Pouring over icarus's output, i can read most of it. I noticed he had a yatestable in there, that is, primes with periods 1,2,3,4,5... places. I use a different order here, the cunningham style, or truesize. For this process, i will use cunningham, which list the odd numbers just before the doubleodd, eg 1,2,4,3,6,8,5,10,12. At home, i use truesize tables, viz 1,2,6,4,3,10,12,8,5,14,18,9,7.
The carmichael system gives an easy to find but wellsorted sizing of the algebraic roots. I've produced an sizesort as far as everything less than 164 digits, but outside of grep, it's rather hard to find the factors. They go quite unimaginably large, but the latest version of factor, seems to handle 120digit numbers quite well. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 09:51 AM 
Eh? 91 and 161 are coloured light blue as alphaomega mixes. Also, it's Icarus' table, not mine. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 7 2017, 12:12 PM 
Note: I have had to change my http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=621&view=findpost&p=40013332, since 2310 is semitotativedominant, and that is more telling than being highly semitotative. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 03:23 PM 
I have filled out http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=1803. I think for now I will be doing one a day  so Icarus is definitely pulling ahead, which I shall indeed be most grateful for! 
Posted by: icarus Nov 7 2017, 04:22 PM 
I am coding the paragraph. It's just easier & faster that way, bite the bullet. Now it won't take into account grammar for prime powers. The problem with coding language is all the whichswitch statements for grammar, oxford commas, etc. and you can get really awkward robot talk. Some of the prose is dry, but I figure it's a good starting point and better than my plucking around for all the pieces. Now I can also get into nitty gritty and count opaque totatives, opaque semitotatives, alpha semitotatives, etc. I figure if you're using the first paragraph as is, I can update it to add the gobbledygook. I also thought of making a little chart of it, but that will require more coding and delay everything. Here's a test of what I have right now. I am going to be madly interrupted all day. [doHTML] Note: I recognize the grammar hiccup, will try to correct so long as it doesn't eat up all the time; moving on to add the other components, but like I said, going to be interrupted as heck today 201711071418: Nearly through but have to drop for the day. Some glitches with a Which statement, but will get through and move ahead this evening or tomorrow. Remaining: list semidivisors, clean up some language, and add the Wieferich, long primes, quadratics. Then things may go more smoothly, since I won't be composing prose each time, but instead have the machine write it directly from the register program. This interpreter is a page long itself; the register is several pages long and the flexCell is longer; all in Wolfram, famous for brief code! 201711072210: Finished it!! Now it should glide on freakin' rails. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 7 2017, 11:47 PM 
I'm not actually using the first paragraph as is, but I am certainly using the information from it, as you can see in the latest tours, and spreading it among the "vital statistics" bullet points. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 8 2017, 04:24 AM 
The cutting and pasting of HTML from the automation means that I can put up a summary in about 5 minutes. The thing that takes the most time is writing the tags for the "Digit Map", etc.! But it is time to turn in. Will hit many more tomorrow. The algorithm isn't perfect, but I don't want to delay things by "fixing" it. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 8 2017, 04:49 AM  
Looking forward to it! I think the automation works best for bases above 120 or maybe 168 because then you can nearly completely forget about the potential civilisational use at any level of civilisation: there simply is none. For bases up to 120 we need to worry about all those tricks like AMT and mixed radices for getting things done. I guess AMT production can be automated, but I am not sure if its practicality can be. Is the AMT for base 60 practical? Certainly. Is the AMT for base 117 practical? Certainly not. Is the AMT for base 120 practical? It's getting a bit big and Wendy's alternating arithmetic seems better, but I suppose we could handle this simply by declaring that the table shall not have more products than the full multiplication table of hexadecimal or maybe vigesimal. Is the AMT for base 105 practical? It contains a splendid quantity of complementary divisors to leverage all of the first four primes except the one we actually want, 2. Is the AMT for base 21 practical? It gives hardly any leverage, but it is very compact! For this reason I am focusing on the grand bases first, as they can be done quite a bit more simply. But I haven't forgotten the midscale ones: I will soon do up 50, and then I plan to add a bunch of interesting odd bases: {45, 63, 65, 75, 105, 117}. (Feel free to scold me if you think there are some more interesting ones that I am about to unjustly neglect. I know Wendy has mentioned 165 and 195 as having abundant regulars but I don't see why they'd be much different from 105, to be honest, and apart from the detailed approximation for pi, 113 seems totally useless as a large prime.) 
Posted by: icarus Nov 8 2017, 12:40 PM 
Double sharp: The AMT is automated already. It needs several notnecessarily contiguous small factors less than the square root of the base. How many is not an exact science, but can easily be codified such that we might write code to throw it when necessary. 60, for example, is ideal in that its divisors are neatly cleaved about its square root (as all bases have) with 6 contiguous smallest factors (not all bases have this). That is why AMT is feasible there. AMT is not really applicable to bases the size we are entertaining at the aggregator thread. I do have a prime map like you see in the old school threads, etc. Automated example for base three dozen: [doHTML] I do have some segments written. Divisors, etc. What I had been working on is getting the tables to work directly from the register. This will make them far more flexible than flexCell. Also fully automated is the entire intuitive divisibility test section. (A number x is divisible by 2 if...) This section even incorporates the notion of "trine, nontrine, overtrine, undertrine" (I never want to be undertrine lzozllz), so accommodates nondecimal bases divisible by three. Example of autogenerated intuitive tests, using base 126: [doHTML] (LOTS of impractical there. Even the evenness test might be impractical! The only "practical" tests might be those associated with nonregular numbers!) Here is dozenal: [doHTML] (5 glitched. Easy fix.) What can be more indepth than has been done here is a description of the semitotative landscape and left/right trim tricks that are "nonintuitive". Semitotatives have been sorted out according to relatedness (coprime factor) and richness (regular factor). Decimal 6, for example, is 2 * 3; it has richness 1 and is omega related. Dozenal ten has richness 1 and alpha2 related, etc. At some point the tour has to be on its own website. It really sucks a lot of memory here. If it goes there then I will have to credit you for the work you and Oschkar have done. (He is already credited in the basenaming function). As I wrote the tour I have become thoroughly convinced it has to be fully automated. There is just too high of a chance of error if we try to handwrite tables; that is the big problem. Codegenerated glitches can be nipped in the bud and corrected for all output but human error or oversight leads to greater, less trackable error. The digit maps are fully automated and that eliminates the necessity to tease out whoopsies. In a similar vein prose can be generated as well. (The summary script I just wrote is sort of a tideover so that we get forward motion: it can't handle low bases, primes, prime powers, etc., which you are not looking at in the extension). 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 8 2017, 02:59 PM 
Sure, I think I've finally done and suggested enough to be comfortable with getting credited. It's just that I don't really like my real name to be shown to everyone online, so feel free to PM or email me when the site is closer to going live and I will gladly give it to you (just not post it here). I think the impracticality of tests for a base like 126 is a bit of a double question masquerading as a single one. It is absolutely practical if you code it as 7on18 or 9on14 and absolutely impractical as a pure base. And I am not sure the nonregular tests are as good because there are still 25 multiples of 5 to memorise. I think we can all agree that the test for 125 is practical, but then so is the test for 126; you still look for a trailing zero. How's the website going to be like? I was thinking that most bases are not actually all that interesting, so we could probably just have the reader type in some number and an automatic chart would come up. But which bases to treat this way? In the meantime, I think the OP should have 126 and 144 swapped (since 126 is smaller), and I think there's a typo in the title for 168. The newly completed 252 is also missing. Though I wonder if it might not be better to wait until more grand bases are done and fill them all in one fell swoop instead. P.S. Once the base passes 120, perhaps we could start saying not what auxiliaries the base could use, but what bases could use it as an auxiliary? I plan to get to 540 tomorrow and it strikes me that it is a really good angular auxiliary for octodecimal, where it is 1c0_{{i}}. A shame it can only be divided by two twice; perhaps octodecimalists might be more comfortable with the admittedly significantly larger 1080 = 360_{{i}} (lulz!). It really does seem like "360" is always a useful number in the even bases from eight to eighteen. P.P.S. Looks like this thread has just surpassed a myriad views, which though decimal is pretty cool! 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 18 2017, 04:45 PM 
Reminder to myself and to the others that the future tours are coming, but I'll have to give a few more of the huge bases a testdrive before I write something. I have 216, 336, and 540 in the works and should be able to post something useful about them shortly. EDIT: Remaining ones are 150, 160, 192, 216, 288, 300, 336, 432, 540, 600, 630, 660. 
Posted by: icarus Nov 19 2017, 09:46 PM 
Code writing has resumed, see http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=621&view=findpost&p=40002492 for the latest. Most of the code work regards tapping the register for data and enveloping it in prose that doesn't sound like robospeak. A tremendous amount of the writing can be automated, and I think (as said many times before) it ought to be, since most of the properties are numbertheoretical and easily calculated. The tedium and magnitude of writing an entry, especially tables of dozens or hundreds of colored cells, is a job for the computer and not a poor soul. It looks like we'll lose HTML capabilities shortly. (Please don't respond to this here, try this http://z13.invisionfree.com/DozensOnline/index.php?showtopic=873&st=0&#entry40013659.) Because of this I am stepping up the web version of the Tour. In a pinch all the code we wrote can be put up at that site. 
Posted by: Double sharp Nov 19 2017, 11:42 PM 
We are also copying over the text that we already have, right? It is pure HTML and there shouldn't be any problem putting those existing entries up with the tables in a pinch. The important thing is to archive all the stuff first. (I mostly put up 50 because I already had it mostly done, but truth be told it's not so interesting; it's like 40 but even clunkier. It just illustrates how the pattern of 18 looks in the heights.) For a few low bases like 14, 16, 20, 21, and 35, there has been an immense amount of conversation after the main tour posts, and there may be some extra tables past the first page as well that we need to grab. But then again, many of these can be automatically generated. For example, I would like to finally have full multiplication tables for all bases up to 30 and 36 inclusive!! ^_☆ (The hexadecimal post is an interesting one. It covers the possible civilisational use and would seem to suggest some basic ideas about classifying bases and concerns about civilisationality to be put up too. So I need to gather together a few threads and sort out the material I've written.) 