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 RAWWWWWWWWW NU TEAR, =D
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Al_Alchemist
Posted: Jan 26 2009, 04:35 AM


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Update4: Added Swalot to NU Suspects after discussing it with Deck Knight:
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Al_Alchemist: i thought you said swalot was a beast? =P 
Al_Alchemist: we can put it into suspect after we clear out the current suspects 
Deck Knight: It is. That doesn't mean I want it banned. 
Al_Alchemist: xD 
Deck Knight: Although you were having difficulties with my AA/Encore set :-D 
Deck Knight: Honestly I preferred ADV Sludge Bomb consistency, but Gunk Shot hits so hard. 
Al_Alchemist: AA? 
Deck Knight: Acid Armor 
Al_Alchemist: any ideas to get around swalot/counters? 
Deck Knight: Whiscash. Giga Drain is its only option against it. 
Al_Alchemist: encore =/ 
Al_Alchemist: and it can ev to survive EQ 
Al_Alchemist: while pain splitting the crap out of it? 
Deck Knight: If it does its still slower than Whiscash. 
Deck Knight: Pain Split is horrible with 100 Base HP. 
Al_Alchemist: i suppose 
Al_Alchemist: but whiscash does still have higher 
Deck Knight: Acid Armor Counter works, I suppose. 
Deck Knight: Between the two, it leaves them both with around 200something HP. 
Al_Alchemist: hmm what about a rest talk set? 
Deck Knight: Solrock would also do it, though I think e's banned. 
Al_Alchemist: yeah solrock was banned i think 
Deck Knight: Restalk's problem lies in poor offensive ability. Even with it, Steel types wall Gunk Shot and Flyers wall Earthquake. The punches are fairly weak. I assume we're talking "Crolot" with Curse and 1 Attack 
Al_Alchemist: aw i see 
Al_Alchemist: hmm 
Deck Knight: 404HP/291 SDef is insanely tanky, but even then +2 attack barely hits above 360. 
Al_Alchemist: so do you think we should add it to suspect? 
Deck Knight: I say add it to suspect. Swalot has a lot of options, but I think it adds some neccesary defense to the metagame. 


Update3: Took Haunter off suspects after testing for a short while, he should be fine for NU (Nou Placement) ^^. Has high Special Attack and Speed but that's about it, it's extremely frail, where as Kadabra was just above those lines (Psychic KOs like everything =O).

Update2: Finished Raw NFE NU List completing the first Raw NU List that I know of, sorry if there already is one ;O;. We currently have 8 NU Suspects and 10 NFE NU Suspects for a total of 18 if you can't add ^^, so the next step is to test those suckers to determine their fate, NU or UU =D.

Special thanks to Bobtheball4 and Deck Knight for helping me a lot with this, also anyone else who helped even just a little ^^. Even you SB even though you didn't really help I think =D.

Update: Finished Raw NU List With A Big Thanks To Bobtheball4 ^^!!! (Exluding NFE At The Moment), Next Step To Test Suspects =D!

ATTENTION ! Previous List Is Outdated Don't Use It, Please Check on Post #2 (This Thread) For Better Version Of The Raw NU Tier.

Goes Through List Of UU Pokemon Starting NU List By Scratch With Bob ^^...

Smogon List Post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?...80&postcount=53


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Al_Alchemist
Posted: Jan 30 2009, 05:05 AM


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NU List [Not Counting NFE] (46)

Nuu List (8):
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Beautifly
Delcatty
Ditto
Farfetch'd
Kricketune
Luvdisc
Pachirisu
Unown


Nu List (11):
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Corsola
Delibird
Mawile
Minun
Mothim
Spinda
Trapinch
Volbeat
Wormadam
Wormadam-G
Wormadam-S


Nou List (18):
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Ariados
Beedrill
Castform
Chimecho
Dustox
Exploud
Fearow
Furret
Illumise
Magcargo
Masquerain
Mightyena
Parasect
Pulse
Sableye
Sunflora
Whiscash
Wigglytuff


Suspect List (9):
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Arbok
Banette
Butterfree
Carnivine
Girafarig
Ledian
Pelipper
Seaking
Swalot


NFE NU List (204)

NFE List (195):
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Haunter
AND EVERYTHING MINUS 27


NFE Suspect (9):
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Cranidos
Gabite
Grovyle
Lickitung
Machoke
Murkrow
Seadra
Shelgon
Tangela


NFE Banned (18):
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Chansey
Charmeleon
Dragonair
Dusclops
Electabuzz
Gligar
Golbat
Kadabra
Magmar
Magneton
Misdreavus
Monferno
Piloswine
Poliwhirl
Rhydon
Sealeo
Sneasel
Yanma


Banned Items (1):
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DeepSeaTooth


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Al_Alchemist
Posted: Feb 2 2009, 12:36 AM


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Discussed NU List

Nuu List

Beautifly
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: beautifly nu
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: stats dont see that great
Al_Alchemist: 306 spa is all it has
Al_Alchemist: alright so nu then?
Bobtheball4: umm
Bobtheball4: 385 bst
Bobtheball4: seems nuu actually
Al_Alchemist: k
Bobtheball4: it cant run specs that great with low speed
Al_Alchemist: alright nu it is ^^

Delcatty
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: delcatty
Al_Alchemist: nuu
Al_Alchemist: not really too good at anything i can think of
Bobtheball4: ya

Ditto
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: ditto
Al_Alchemist: nuu
Al_Alchemist: ? ^^
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: it cant do much
Al_Alchemist: k

Farfetch'd
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: farfetch'd
Al_Alchemist: nuu
Bobtheball4: ya

Kricketune
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: krickemustache bug
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: its definitely inferior to beedrill in my opinion
Bobtheball4: ya, no look too good
Al_Alchemist: soo
Al_Alchemist: nu?
Al_Alchemist: or nuu?
Bobtheball4: nuu
Al_Alchemist: hmm k speed cements it
Al_Alchemist: just defences arent horrible they just arent good
Al_Alchemist: so nuu
Bobtheball4: ay
Bobtheball4: ya

Luvdisc
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: luvdisc
Al_Alchemist: xD
Bobtheball4: hehe\
Al_Alchemist: nuu? or nu
Al_Alchemist: is there something even worse than nuu?
Al_Alchemist: nnu?
Al_Alchemist: nzz
Bobtheball4: lol
Bobtheball4: nuu
Al_Alchemist: alright, though it could cause destruction
Al_Alchemist: as stupid as that sounds ^^

Pachirisu
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: pachirisu
Bobtheball4: mmmm pachirisu
Bobtheball4: nuu
Al_Alchemist: =D
Al_Alchemist: its basically the exact same as dustox only no poison immunity higher speed and like 5 points lower spa
Al_Alchemist: super fang gets it in nu at least imo
Al_Alchemist: maybe very low nu
Al_Alchemist: but still
Al_Alchemist: your opinion?
Bobtheball4: get a coin?
Al_Alchemist: k ^^
Al_Alchemist: i got the same penny as last time =D
Al_Alchemist: alright heads what and tails what?
Bobtheball4: heads nu tails nuu
Al_Alchemist: k
Al_Alchemist: tails
Al_Alchemist: =D

Unown
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: unown
Al_Alchemist: nuu
Al_Alchemist: any arguement? ^^
Bobtheball4: no
Al_Alchemist: k cool =D


Nu List

Corsola
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: corsola
Bobtheball4: umm
Bobtheball4: Al_Alchemist: skips vagina  whats that
Al_Alchemist: cloyster ^^
Bobtheball4: o
Bobtheball4: haha
Al_Alchemist: xD
Bobtheball4: ok corsola
Al_Alchemist: alright so corsola nu
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: maybe nbl
Al_Alchemist: not too good not too bad but nou with calm mind set so nu is good for now since its bare atm
Bobtheball4: looks decent tank
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: lol nbl, i think nu is good ^^

Delibird
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: delibird
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: CB hustle aerial ace
Al_Alchemist: extremely frail defenses
Al_Alchemist: weak to common moves ice and electric
Bobtheball4: ya, nuu
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: maybe nu
Al_Alchemist: it does have that cb hustle aerial ace ^^
Bobtheball4: i like one set, but ots not usable
Al_Alchemist: how much attack does it reach
Bobtheball4: @flame orb -fling -ice shard -thief -aeriel ace
Bobtheball4: umm
Al_Alchemist: aw fling
Bobtheball4: ya, if only it was usable
Al_Alchemist: hm so nu on delibird then correct?
Bobtheball4: ok
Bobtheball4: wait
Bobtheball4: cb is 515
Al_Alchemist: O.O
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: im leaning towards nou
Bobtheball4: + hustle=687
Al_Alchemist: wait what
Bobtheball4: +aerial ace
Bobtheball4: no
Bobtheball4: wait
Bobtheball4: hustle is already into it
Al_Alchemist: it has a max attack of 229 how does that get to 515
Al_Alchemist: o
Al_Alchemist: k
Bobtheball4: 515
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: definitely not uu material if we had a nbl i would put it in that but we dont so i guess nu he goes?
Al_Alchemist: very hard to switch it
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: got a coin by you?
Al_Alchemist: its like alakasm of ou, powerful but so frail
Al_Alchemist: why yes i do
Al_Alchemist: its a penny =D
Bobtheball4: heads ou tails uu
Al_Alchemist: k
Bobtheball4: solves many problems
Al_Alchemist: its tails
Al_Alchemist: nuu
Bobtheball4: ok

Mawile
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: mawile
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: its pretty strong
Bobtheball4: but very slow
Al_Alchemist: it has good typing and attack defense stats not to mention swords but theres still a lot to be desired
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: nu-nou?
Al_Alchemist: its movepool is pretty freaking awesome too
Bobtheball4: really
Bobtheball4: whats a good SD set
Bobtheball4: im using SD brickB/iron head/crunch
Al_Alchemist: yeah thats a good set i dont see the point of crunch however
Al_Alchemist: maybe sucker punch but dark isnt a good move in nu imo
Bobtheball4: ok
Bobtheball4: but i use this team in OU
Al_Alchemist: o yeah ^^
Al_Alchemist: ok so nou?
Al_Alchemist: or nu?
Al_Alchemist: i cant really decide either one would work for me
Bobtheball4: idk
Al_Alchemist: alright nu it is since its pretty bare right now ^^

Minun
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: minun nou?
Al_Alchemist: or nu
Bobtheball4: nu
Al_Alchemist: alright nu it is

Mothim
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: and HERE we get to a good one ^^! 
Al_Alchemist: ready? mothim
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: seems strong
Bobtheball4: but slow
Al_Alchemist: it will outclass beautifly which is something that scares me
Al_Alchemist: not exactly slow
Al_Alchemist: its like medium medium
Al_Alchemist: higher than 251's and its fail speed tier if im not mistaken
Bobtheball4: o
Al_Alchemist: though im thinking he has nothing too powerful to consider him uu
Al_Alchemist: im guessing nou?
Al_Alchemist: or nu maybe
Al_Alchemist: cus his defensives are ass
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: nu is good
Al_Alchemist: hmm k

Spinda
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Al_Alchemist: spinda?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: jack of all trades master of none
Al_Alchemist: im guessing nu
Al_Alchemist: its not as bad as it looks
Bobtheball4: ?
Bobtheball4: spinda?
Al_Alchemist: spiinda yes
Bobtheball4: looks nu
Al_Alchemist: what nuu in your opinion for spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda?
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: but parafusion could be annoying
Al_Alchemist: righto nu
Al_Alchemist: spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
iiiiiiiiiinda

Trapinch
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Al_Alchemist: alright tranpinch
Bobtheball4: mmmmmmm
Bobtheball4: good atk
Bobtheball4: horrible others
Al_Alchemist: well yes but i does invest in hp
Bobtheball4: but it can revenge god
Al_Alchemist: mostly a fucking beast in trick room but very decent other
Al_Alchemist: it has quick attack
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: nu or nou
Al_Alchemist: coin?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: heads higher right
Al_Alchemist: its tails so nu ^^
Al_Alchemist: *Trapinch

Volbeat
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Al_Alchemist: alright volbeat? ^^ 
Bobtheball4: hmm 
Al_Alchemist: nu? 
Bobtheball4: but tail glow 
Bobtheball4: pretty good speed 
Al_Alchemist: so? 
Bobtheball4: i say nou 
Al_Alchemist: tail glow pwns on him 
Bobtheball4: BP 
Al_Alchemist: i say nu cus outclassed by beedrill 
Bobtheball4: sub salac 
Bobtheball4: tail glow, swarm 
Al_Alchemist: and illumise could do better anyway 
Al_Alchemist: hmm 
Bobtheball4: ok 
Al_Alchemist: alright coin flip 
Bobtheball4: nu than 
Al_Alchemist: =S 
Bobtheball4: nu is good 
Al_Alchemist: no no lets keep this interesting coin flip ^^ 
Bobtheball4: ok 
Al_Alchemist: heads 
Al_Alchemist: uhh lets just say it was tails wink.gif 
Al_Alchemist: unless you disagree? ^^ 
Bobtheball4: ok lol 

Wormadam
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: wormadam
Al_Alchemist: hold on brb
Al_Alchemist: wormadam grass
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Bobtheball4: i say nuu
Bobtheball4: 4x weak to fire
Bobtheball4: o
Bobtheball4: grass
Al_Alchemist: still 4x weak i think
Bobtheball4: ya it is
Bobtheball4: i say nuu
Al_Alchemist: nuu?! its definitely not that horrible
Al_Alchemist: its like corsola
Al_Alchemist: except minus calm mind
Al_Alchemist: im going with nu
Bobtheball4: really?
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: mainly because of leaf storm
Al_Alchemist: and other movepool

Wormadam-G
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: alright wormadam
Al_Alchemist: ground
Bobtheball4: he looks decent
Bobtheball4: decent movepool
Bobtheball4: i mean typing
Al_Alchemist: true he does have pretty decent typing i e no 4x se moves hit
Al_Alchemist: still nu though imo
Bobtheball4: ya

Wormadam-S
QUOTE
Bobtheball4: steel looks pretty good
Al_Alchemist: and its the one with stealth rock ^^
Al_Alchemist: metal sound is pseudo nasty plot
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: nou?
Al_Alchemist: but maybe high end nu or nou, people will probably only use for its stealth rock
Al_Alchemist: coin it?
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: tails
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: if wiggly is nou
Al_Alchemist: acutally im going with nou
Al_Alchemist: sorry penny ;O;
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: o wait no
Al_Alchemist: 4x weakness
Bobtheball4: xatu looks decent
Al_Alchemist: ugh ill listen to the coin nvm


Nou List

Ariados
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: ariados 
Bobtheball4: uu nu 
Al_Alchemist: maybe ou nu but its not really that viable in uu so i agree 
Bobtheball4: i checked its bst 
Bobtheball4: 390 bst 
Al_Alchemist: k agreed then? 
Bobtheball4: wait 


Bobtheball4: it might be workable in uu 
Bobtheball4: suspect 
Bobtheball4: i mean ou 
Al_Alchemist: hmmm k 
Al_Alchemist: so should i just put like high end nu? 
Al_Alchemist: or put it on suspect 
Al_Alchemist: i dont really think its that terribly powerful 
Al_Alchemist: i mean sure agili combo is strong 
Al_Alchemist: but not broken 
Al_Alchemist: suckerpunch is unstabbed 
Bobtheball4: ya 
Bobtheball4: and it also gets unstabbed shadow sneak 
Al_Alchemist: true 
Al_Alchemist: so nu list or high end nu list? 
Al_Alchemist: or doesnt matter 
Al_Alchemist: just nu? 
Bobtheball4: i say just nu 
Al_Alchemist: k 

Beedrill
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: beedrill, nou
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: medium speed not too high not too low same with attack

Al_Alchemist: swords dance is dangerous
Bobtheball4: same bst as beautifly
Al_Alchemist: however its hampered by frail defence and theres several things faster than it
Bobtheball4: but better defenses
Bobtheball4: and faster
Al_Alchemist: alright so
Al_Alchemist: i guess were good on nou on that?
Bobtheball4: i say nou
Al_Alchemist: k agreed, maybe i should put little log tags along with each pokemon

Castform
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: castform chin balls
Bobtheball4: umm
Bobtheball4: has a pretty good movepool
Bobtheball4: bolt beam, flamethrower and energy ball
Bobtheball4: too good imo
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: its more of the jirachi/celebi of nu to me
Al_Alchemist: except with no support options but more movepool
Al_Alchemist: im thinking suspect actually
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: suspect it is

Al_Alchemist: http://z13.invisionfree.com/CMSforums/inde...c=85&st=0&#last - castform, furret, illumise
Al_Alchemist: and maybe girafarig
Al_Alchemist: i dont really think they need suspect testing
Al_Alchemist: they should probably be moved down to nou, what do you think?
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: i guess so
Bobtheball4: they dont seem that strong on paper
Al_Alchemist: alright but which ones we should probably do it one at a time
Bobtheball4: ?
Al_Alchemist: ugh never mind moving them all to nou
Bobtheball4: ok

Chimecho
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: chimecho
Al_Alchemist: nou to me
Al_Alchemist: or at least nu
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: the support set is pretty good
Bobtheball4: screwed up my nu team pretty badly
Al_Alchemist: plus high special attack yada yada ^^
Al_Alchemist: alright
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: wanna try nou?
Al_Alchemist: clamperl
Bobtheball4: or sus[ect
Al_Alchemist: im thinking not powerful enough for suspect
Bobtheball4: ok
Bobtheball4: nou
Al_Alchemist: calm mind set though could be suspect
Al_Alchemist: but nou is fine for now
Bobtheball4: ok

Dustox
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: dustox
Al_Alchemist: ubers
Al_Alchemist: xD
Bobtheball4: haha
Al_Alchemist: though seriously hes probably nu not too good but good enough to kill pokemon just you dont really see it at first glance
Al_Alchemist: toxic stalling doesnt look strong
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: but it certainly is on dustox so nu?
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: nou
Al_Alchemist: its not going to be common enough for nou though i dont think...
Al_Alchemist: but maybe
Bobtheball4: o
Bobtheball4: flip coin
Bobtheball4: tails uu
Al_Alchemist: k
Bobtheball4: nuu*
Al_Alchemist: uhh it landed on tails
Al_Alchemist: sort of
Al_Alchemist: i stared at it when it landed in my hand and it was heads but i do that thing where i turn it over into my other hand
Al_Alchemist: nu?
Bobtheball4: o
Bobtheball4: umm
Al_Alchemist: so basically its tails
Al_Alchemist: or another coin flip to be safe?
Bobtheball4: lets just go with nou
Bobtheball4: or wait
Bobtheball4: tails
Bobtheball4: reflip
Al_Alchemist: ima do another coin flip ^^
Al_Alchemist: ahh it fell on its side omg >:O
Bobtheball4: lol
Al_Alchemist: alright heads
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: i really dont think its that used enough for nou though
Al_Alchemist: it only has one set thats usable
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: so its predictable
Al_Alchemist: so basically ill whine until you agree its nu sorry xD
Al_Alchemist: unless you feel its nou
Al_Alchemist: then ill put it on it
Al_Alchemist: meh
Al_Alchemist: im going to agree with the coin
Bobtheball4: no
Al_Alchemist: nou it is ^^
Bobtheball4: lets go UU
Bobtheball4: ok
Bobtheball4: ou
Bobtheball4: idk ><
Bobtheball4: oui
Bobtheball4: ou
Al_Alchemist: =D

Exploud
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: exploud
Al_Alchemist: weve played around with him but he doesnt seem powerful enough to break the metagame or anything like that
Bobtheball4: umm
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: but then again we havent used a bulky set i think
Al_Alchemist: uhh i guess nou
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: it seems kindve uu
Al_Alchemist: instead of adding another suspect since we know we can handle explode
Bobtheball4: real good stats
Al_Alchemist: exploud is basically err like the high ou in the ou environment
Al_Alchemist: so nou
Al_Alchemist: it is ^^

Fearow
QUOTE

Al_Alchemist: fearow
Al_Alchemist: fastest thing in nu not counting nfe pokemon
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: im thinking low nou
Al_Alchemist: i got a band fearow
Al_Alchemist: and it wasnt even that strong
Bobtheball4: really?
Al_Alchemist: i used it on you like so many times
Al_Alchemist: its my lead fearow
Bobtheball4: its got goot atk/apeed, bad other stats
Al_Alchemist: pretty much
Al_Alchemist: so nou?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: k ^^

Furret
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: furret 
Bobtheball4: hmm 
Bobtheball4: it seems pretty frail 
Al_Alchemist: if you think about it the contrast between the hp and defences give him slightly higher defenses than dustox in defense less sp def 
Bobtheball4: decent speed 
Al_Alchemist: 374 max hp 
Bobtheball4: really? 
Al_Alchemist: 4th fastest in nu not counting nfe but counting pidgeot 
Al_Alchemist: yeah 
Al_Alchemist: he has high hp 
Bobtheball4: ya 
Bobtheball4: wanna go hou? 
Al_Alchemist: yeah that was what i was thinking 
Al_Alchemist: wait is its only option against steels dig 
Al_Alchemist: if it is then definite nou 
Bobtheball4: focus punch 
Al_Alchemist: hm wait uh oh he gets brick break 
Al_Alchemist: this could be somewhat trouble
Bobtheball4: o ya
Al_Alchemist: but i think hes high end nou
Al_Alchemist: not really good enough for suspect for some reason in my eyes
Bobtheball4: brick break/return/sucker punch/trick@CB
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: i suppose i guess suspect actually
Al_Alchemist: i take that back hes probably suspect
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: wait but then again =/
Al_Alchemist: meh suspect

Al_Alchemist: http://z13.invisionfree.com/CMSforums/inde...c=85&st=0&#last - castform, furret, illumise
Al_Alchemist: and maybe girafarig
Al_Alchemist: i dont really think they need suspect testing
Al_Alchemist: they should probably be moved down to nou, what do you think?
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: i guess so
Bobtheball4: they dont seem that strong on paper
Al_Alchemist: alright but which ones we should probably do it one at a time
Bobtheball4: ?
Al_Alchemist: ugh never mind moving them all to nou
Bobtheball4: ok

Illumise
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: illumise i knew we
Al_Alchemist: get to a fun one eventually
Bobtheball4: smile.gif
Bobtheball4: also gets tinted lens
Al_Alchemist: defense frail sp def good enough
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: high speed
Al_Alchemist: encore
Al_Alchemist: growth
Al_Alchemist: tint lens as you said
Al_Alchemist: im thinking either suspect or uu
Al_Alchemist: its not like it cant fare well in uu either
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: suspect i guess
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: i dunno k high end suspect
Bobtheball4: ya

Al_Alchemist: http://z13.invisionfree.com/CMSforums/inde...c=85&st=0&#last - castform, furret, illumise
Al_Alchemist: and maybe girafarig
Al_Alchemist: i dont really think they need suspect testing
Al_Alchemist: they should probably be moved down to nou, what do you think?
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: i guess so
Bobtheball4: they dont seem that strong on paper
Al_Alchemist: alright but which ones we should probably do it one at a time
Bobtheball4: ?
Al_Alchemist: ugh never mind moving them all to nou
Bobtheball4: ok

Magcargo
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Al_Alchemist: magcargo
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: hes like a nou imo
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: maybe low end of that but none the less nou
Bobtheball4: good defense
Bobtheball4: bad weaknesses
Al_Alchemist: lumineon destroys with one swipe
Al_Alchemist: though it does have light screen

Masquerain
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Al_Alchemist: uhh masquerain
Al_Alchemist: nou?
Al_Alchemist: bob ;O;?
Bobtheball4: im back
Al_Alchemist: oo ok ^^
Bobtheball4: [maybe NOU
Bobtheball4: has decent movepool
Al_Alchemist: agility set might be popular

Mightyena
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Al_Alchemist: mightyena nu?
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: ive tested mighyena and i pwn with him
Bobtheball4: its decent
Al_Alchemist: yeah, the stats are pretty good
Al_Alchemist: but movepool pwns
Bobtheball4: gets howl and blot beam coverage(tyhe 2 fangs) with sucker punch
Al_Alchemist: well the fangs sort of pwn when its not x4 if you think about it
Al_Alchemist: his stab neutral crunch/sucker punch is 120, fangs se is 130
Al_Alchemist: so... nu?
Bobtheball4: i guess
Al_Alchemist: sound kind of reluctant there, should it be nou or something?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: alright nou it is ^^

Parasect
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Al_Alchemist: parasect
Bobtheball4: mmmm
Bobtheball4: nou?
Al_Alchemist: low end nou high end nu
Al_Alchemist: should i coin it again?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: you call it heads = ? and tails = ?
Bobtheball4: heads is the higher one
Al_Alchemist: nou = heads?
Al_Alchemist: k ^^
Al_Alchemist: it was heads
Bobtheball4: ok
Al_Alchemist: damn your always getting your way when it comes to the coin tongue.gif

Pulse
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Al_Alchemist: now pulse
Al_Alchemist: uhh minun was nu
Al_Alchemist: put pulse as nou?
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: hmm i always though minun was better than pulse in nu
Bobtheball4: politoed uu
Bobtheball4: plusle is stronger, minun is more bulky
Al_Alchemist: cus they can up their stats by nasty plot
Al_Alchemist: so that little bit of more spa doesnt really matter
Al_Alchemist: hm i gues then again
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: you can look at it the other way around where more spa goes a long way with nasty plot
Al_Alchemist: o well nou ^^
Al_Alchemist: wait no lets not seperate the brothers nu =P
Bobtheball4: lol
Al_Alchemist: meh nvm nou is good ^^

Sableye
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Al_Alchemist: sableye
Bobtheball4: mm
Al_Alchemist: nou? ^^
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: looks nou
Al_Alchemist: ooo ouch it has nasty plot
Bobtheball4: >_>
Al_Alchemist: nou still though ^^

Sunflora
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Al_Alchemist: HURRAY SUNFLORA ^^!!!!
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: i love its sucky ass movepool ^^ im guessing nou
Al_Alchemist: its pretty fucking awesome
Al_Alchemist: but yet let down by its movepool
Al_Alchemist: it didnt die in one hit in ou either i remember when i had it on my ou team ^^
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: k ^^

Whiscash
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Al_Alchemist: whiscash which nu placement? ^^
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: 7 more!! =D
Bobtheball4: ok
Bobtheball4: wishcash looks good
Al_Alchemist: nou
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: the swampert of nou ^^

Wigglytuff
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Al_Alchemist: wiggly of the tuff ^^
Bobtheball4: nou?
Al_Alchemist: yeah i suppose pretty generic pink blob of each tier
Al_Alchemist: blissey ubers and ou, clefable uu, wiggly nu ^^


Suspect List

Arbok
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Basically high BST, gunk shot, and versatility.
(Forgot to save log)

Banette
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Al_Alchemist: banette uu? 
Bobtheball4: hmm 
Bobtheball4: ill check bst 
Al_Alchemist: if it is nu then it will be automatic high end or suspect 
Bobtheball4: 455 
Bobtheball4: similar to pidgeot i think 
Bobtheball4: little lower
Al_Alchemist: hmm true
Bobtheball4: i think too strong
Bobtheball4: all stats in 60s except atk and sp.atk
Al_Alchemist: 361 is an awful alot of attack
Al_Alchemist: however it is somewhat medium or frail and doesnt have good high base power moves
Bobtheball4: hmm ya
Al_Alchemist: other than shadow claw and return
Bobtheball4: but return is unstabbd
Al_Alchemist: calm mind trick could be a poblem i suppose
Al_Alchemist: im thinking suspect your opinion?
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: suspect
Al_Alchemist: alright

Butterfree
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Al_Alchemist: butterfree
Bobtheball4: hmm
Al_Alchemist: very decent all around basically 100% sleeping move
Bobtheball4: ya
Bobtheball4: and 385 bst isnt that great tho
Bobtheball4: but decent speed with decent sp.atk
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Bobtheball4: i say suspect
Al_Alchemist: im leaning a little to uu more than suspect but it can be easily suspected
Al_Alchemist: alright
Al_Alchemist: suspect it is

Carnivine
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Al_Alchemist: carnivine
Bobtheball4: actually seems decent
Al_Alchemist: hmm
Al_Alchemist: i dunno
Bobtheball4: it gets 328atk with SD
Bobtheball4: decent defence
Al_Alchemist: his speed might be lacking
Al_Alchemist: but hes extremely bulky
Al_Alchemist: well not extremely
Al_Alchemist: but pretty high bulky
Al_Alchemist: double powder
Al_Alchemist: power whip but most of the tier resist it
Al_Alchemist: im leaning towards uu but suspect is fine if you think it deserves testing
Bobtheball4: sorry, was afk
Bobtheball4: i guess
Bobtheball4: suspect
Al_Alchemist: its fine i know this can be somewhat tedius i really appreciate you helping me out ^^, ok suspect it is

Girafarig
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: alright heres a good one now, girafarig
Al_Alchemist: decent to meh defensives
Bobtheball4: umm
Al_Alchemist: medium high offences medium high speed
Bobtheball4: i say suspect
Al_Alchemist: actually borderline medium high to high
Bobtheball4: specs is good
Al_Alchemist: hmmm suspect yeah
Al_Alchemist: it has dozens of support options too

Bobtheball4: i think girafarig might be too good at specs
Bobtheball4: and brb dinner
Al_Alchemist: yeah
Al_Alchemist: i was thinking the same
Al_Alchemist: good dinner ^^

Ledian
QUOTE
Al_Alchemist: ledian ooo here we go ^^ 
Bobtheball4: ooooo 
Al_Alchemist: now this one is actually hard to me 
Bobtheball4: ya 
Bobtheball4: it could be my backup sp.def wall 
Al_Alchemist: my mind is racing from nu to suspect to nou and repeat 
Al_Alchemist: obviously its a baton passer at best in uu sort of mediocre at that too 
Al_Alchemist: but its bug flying 
Al_Alchemist: easilly killed by sr 
Al_Alchemist: so im guessing around suspect or nou your choice 
Al_Alchemist: im leaning more towards suspect 
Bobtheball4: i say umm
Bobtheball4: ou
Al_Alchemist: swords dance
Al_Alchemist: and lol it gets light screen too xD
Bobtheball4: o
Bobtheball4: wow
Bobtheball4: suspect
Al_Alchemist: blissey of nu anyone? ^^
Al_Alchemist: alright suspect
Al_Alchemist: brb

Pelipper
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Al_Alchemist: alright pelipper
Bobtheball4: uu
Al_Alchemist: =O
Bobtheball4: agility
Al_Alchemist: uu?!?1
Bobtheball4: sweep
Bobtheball4: i use it in ou
Al_Alchemist: hm
Bobtheball4: and bulky to take hits
Bobtheball4: well
Bobtheball4: maybe no
Bobtheball4: nou/suspect
Al_Alchemist: well in the field you said its good
Al_Alchemist: im going with suspect
Al_Alchemist: or should i coin it?
Bobtheball4: suspect is good
Al_Alchemist: alright cool ^^

Seaking
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Al_Alchemist: seaking which placement in nu? ^^
Al_Alchemist: nou or suspect your choice
Bobtheball4: hmm
Bobtheball4: ive used it before
Bobtheball4: its got a pretty bad movepool
Bobtheball4: even though it looks decent
Al_Alchemist: im somewhat going for suspect high end because of swift swim
Al_Alchemist: and seemly ok defenses
Bobtheball4: ya
Al_Alchemist: alright that will probably be one of the first things to test, looks pretty dangerous with swift swim ^^


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