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 Froch V Groves 2
zfc
Posted: May 26 2014, 07:49 PM


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I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.
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tbonegas
Posted: May 26 2014, 08:34 PM


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QUOTE (zfc @ May 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.

What do you think of Chavez Jnr?
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Fordingbridge Pirate
Posted: May 26 2014, 08:42 PM


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QUOTE (zfc @ May 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.

Agree with most of this - I think there's a chance Froch could have over trained and could be caught early. He has seemed more motivated for this one but motivation doesn't make up for a total lack of defence, and doesn't slow Groves down.

As long as George boxes to a plan I can't make a case for Froch winning, I really can't. Groves is faster, has far better footwork and can take a shot as demonstrated in the first fight.

It's going to be great and luckily it's on my 30th birthday so it will be a decent night out in London! :D
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Yate Town
Posted: May 26 2014, 08:55 PM


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QUOTE (Fordingbridge Pirate @ May 26 2014, 08:42 PM)
QUOTE (zfc @ May 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.

Agree with most of this - I think there's a chance Froch could have over trained and could be caught early. He has seemed more motivated for this one but motivation doesn't make up for a total lack of defence, and doesn't slow Groves down.

As long as George boxes to a plan I can't make a case for Froch winning, I really can't. Groves is faster, has far better footwork and can take a shot as demonstrated in the first fight.

It's going to be great and luckily it's on my 30th birthday so it will be a decent night out in London! :D

But what happens if George gets hit? Does he keep to that game plan? What if Groves does everything for 7 rounds, punches Froch with everything he has, and when the dust settles, Froch is still standing there, still coming forward? Does he get disheartened? Does he get tired and can he sustain the onslaught that may come his way?

Froch always seems to be able to unleash a barrage of punches, the one thing we haven't heard, do Froch's punches hurt? Did they hurt last fight?

Froch has gone about this fight differently to last time, where Groves got under Froch's, I think Groves has managed to get under his own skin! In Sky's 'the gloves are off', Groves didn't like it when it seemed like he was being questioned, refusing, and giving that blank look.

Froch made loads of mistakes last time, and I don't think he'll do the same this time.

Don't think I dislike Groves, I don't, I think he's going to be huge, and these fights are going to propel him to a new level!

I can't wait for Saturday, I'm just gutted I'll be missing the weigh-in :-(
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tbonegas
Posted: May 26 2014, 08:56 PM


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QUOTE (Fordingbridge Pirate @ May 26 2014, 08:42 PM)
QUOTE (zfc @ May 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.

Agree with most of this - I think there's a chance Froch could have over trained and could be caught early. He has seemed more motivated for this one but motivation doesn't make up for a total lack of defence, and doesn't slow Groves down.

As long as George boxes to a plan I can't make a case for Froch winning, I really can't. Groves is faster, has far better footwork and can take a shot as demonstrated in the first fight.

It's going to be great and luckily it's on my 30th birthday so it will be a decent night out in London! :D

Happy Birthday for Saturday Mark.Have a great night and say hello to Shaneyboy for me,he really is one hell of a bloke.
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Posted: May 26 2014, 10:18 PM


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QUOTE (Yate Town @ May 26 2014, 08:55 PM)

It's going to be great and luckily it's on my 30th birthday so it will be a decent night out in London!
But what happens if George gets hit? Does he keep to that game plan? What if Groves does everything for 7 rounds, punches Froch with everything he has, and when the dust settles, Froch is still standing there, still coming forward? Does he get disheartened? Does he get tired and can he sustain the onslaught that may come his way?

Froch always seems to be able to unleash a barrage of punches, the one thing we haven't heard, do Froch's punches hurt? Did they hurt last fight?

Froch has gone about this fight differently to last time, where Groves got under Froch's, I think Groves has managed to get under his own skin! In Sky's 'the gloves are off', Groves didn't like it when it seemed like he was being questioned, refusing, and giving that blank look.

Froch made loads of mistakes last time, and I don't think he'll do the same this time.

Don't think I dislike Groves, I don't, I think he's going to be huge, and these fights are going to propel him to a new level!

I can't wait for Saturday, I'm just gutted I'll be missing the weigh-in :-(

Don`t read too much into the mind games stuff Yate.

The fight is won in the ring not sat on a chair in front of that idiot Johnny Nelson.

Froch will be no better prepared this time than he was the last time but as Mark says he may well have over trained for this one.

Groves is the fighter on the up and Carl Froch is the man at the end of his career and on his way down.

Don`t worry about George he will not throw the kitchen sink at Froch and he has already proven he can take Carls rabbit punches, forearms to the face and illegal punches on the break.

Have a great night at Wembley mate!!
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Yate Town
Posted: May 26 2014, 10:55 PM


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I can't wait, I just hope all sparring has finished, and nothing can go wrong between now and Saturday night! I missed Haye, I don't want this to mess up too!

Disappointed with Anthony Joshua's opponant too! I know he'd been off with injury, but come on! This could if been a prime time to get a British belt on the line for him or something!

Who's Chunky fighting too? Need to see vast improvements from him too, he's disappointed of late on C5, I hope Eddie can steer him the right way!

Looking forward to seeing Mitchell too, he has an eliminator doesn't he?

Is anyone else on the undercard?
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Fordingbridge Pirate
Posted: May 27 2014, 04:58 AM


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QUOTE (Yate Town @ May 26 2014, 10:55 PM)
I can't wait, I just hope all sparring has finished, and nothing can go wrong between now and Saturday night! I missed Haye, I don't want this to mess up too!

Disappointed with Anthony Joshua's opponant too! I know he'd been off with injury, but come on! This could if been a prime time to get a British belt on the line for him or something!

Who's Chunky fighting too? Need to see vast improvements from him too, he's disappointed of late on C5, I hope Eddie can steer him the right way!

Looking forward to seeing Mitchell too, he has an eliminator doesn't he?

Is anyone else on the undercard?

Jamie McDonnell trying to win another world title against a Thai bloke with a name that is worth hundreds of points in Scrabble. Degale is fighting Brandon Gonzalez, probably his toughest test to date and certainly his toughest since Groves.

Joshua has a joke of an opponent - James Toney stopped him in 3 in Prizefighter FFS!

Are you going Shane?
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Fordingbridge Pirate
Posted: May 28 2014, 10:10 PM


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Sky's very good 'Behind the Ropes' show tonight appeared to back up the rumour that Froch was dropped in sparring by Chris Eubank Jr, with a round of sparring being shown that saw Eubank nail Froch with several big right hands, and generally show Carl up as very, very easy to hit. The jury is very much still out on Eubank Jr too...

Further backs up my opinion that the only way Froch wins this is if Groves gets sloppy.
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Posted: May 28 2014, 10:36 PM


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Carl always has been easy to hit,the problem is he has a granite chin lots of stamina and a huge heart.

I think if Groves boxes smart and fights on the counter he will win a comfortable UD.

If Groves decides to trade and fight fire with fire then Froch will probably grind George down and stop him.
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Posted: May 28 2014, 10:42 PM


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Really can not wait for this one. Watched the original fight again last Saturday. Groves should win this but he needs to keep his head. I do not understand why the world seems to think he is the bad boy and Froch is the saviour of the universe.

I honestly think it could be all over by the end of the 4th if Groves does what he is good at.
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Fordingbridge Pirate
Posted: May 28 2014, 10:54 PM


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It's a genuine 50/50 Dale which is a rarity in boxing at the moment!

Genuinely the only outcome that would be a genuine surprise is if the fight is a poor one. You can see possibilities for each fighter stopping the other, and points wins (although barring similar judging to the last one its hard to see Froch out pointing George).

How the fight goes will be dictated by what mindset Carl Froch has. He's mentioned the Lucian Bute fight a few times but if he comes out with that mindset then Groves stops him early for me, Groves is a terrific counter puncher.

Groves should box to a similar plan that served him well against Degale, taking the back foot and counter punching.

Froch's best hope is that Groves comes out quick trying to knock him out and gasses.

Gonna be a great night at Wembley (with a piss poor undercard).
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Posted: May 28 2014, 11:02 PM


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Have a good one mate, gutted I should have been there (had the chance of corporate ticket) but the TV will have to do.
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Yate Town
Posted: May 28 2014, 11:11 PM


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I've been watching all of Sky's build up, behind the ropes, Froch vs Groves II the tactics, The gloves are off.

It's really nip and tuck, it's been all George, and I know it's only talk, but Groves looked dumbstruck on the Gloves are off episode, this sports psychologist is clearly working for Froch, and Groves doesn't like it.

The tactics episode was good too, it's not until you watch it back where you see how one sided it was, but that 6th round was the round, that was the round Froch broke Groves' heart! Those bombs Groves landed, and nothing, not even a wobble, that must of hurt Groves mentally!

Last day of work for me tomorrow, then it's up to London and Wembley for England, before the big one!

6pm start is it on Sat?
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Fordingbridge Pirate
Posted: May 28 2014, 11:29 PM


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QUOTE (Yate Town @ May 28 2014, 11:11 PM)
I've been watching all of Sky's build up, behind the ropes, Froch vs Groves II the tactics, The gloves are off.

It's really nip and tuck, it's been all George, and I know it's only talk, but Groves looked dumbstruck on the Gloves are off episode, this sports psychologist is clearly working for Froch, and Groves doesn't like it.

The tactics episode was good too, it's not until you watch it back where you see how one sided it was, but that 6th round was the round, that was the round Froch broke Groves' heart! Those bombs Groves landed, and nothing, not even a wobble, that must of hurt Groves mentally!

Last day of work for me tomorrow, then it's up to London and Wembley for England, before the big one!

6pm start is it on Sat?

If you possibly can, get to Wembley at 1/2pm on Friday - big event for the weigh in (4pm) including meet and greet sessions before hand and a boxing forum made up of panelists including Eddie Hearn, Adam Smith, Paul Smith, Tris Dixon and Paulie Malignaggi with an open mic to ask any questions. Then the weigh in in front of a packed Wembley Arena at 4pm.
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Posted: May 29 2014, 07:02 AM


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Yeah I know, our train is at 14:00 though, so it's unlikely we'll get there in time, which is a shame!
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Posted: May 31 2014, 09:42 PM


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QUOTE (zfc @ May 26 2014, 07:49 PM)
I think this fight deserves a thread on its own.

So what do people think and who`s their money on?

I think this is Georges fight to lose,he has everything to beat Froch by a wide points decision and make him look a mug.It`s up to George,if he wants to go toe to toe his chances diminish, if he wants to fight a little negative on the counter than George wins easy on points and the KO could present itself to him on a plate as Froch is so crude and easy to hit when he is frustrated.

Groves has better boxing skills and world class footwork,Froch has a granite chin,great stamina and a huge heart.

It`s going to be a cracking fight that`s for sure but I am going with Groves to win if he is smart.

Wrong Mr Know All,your boy just got his ass kicked
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Yate Town
  Posted: Jun 1 2014, 01:54 AM


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To be fair great lunch, Groves didn't keep to his previous game plan of commanding the centre, but he was comfortable and clearly ahead in the fight, that TKO was brutal!

I really can't see DeGale fighting Froch or getting out of it!
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Posted: Jun 1 2014, 11:04 AM


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You clearly had a poor view YT. The fight was very close and Groves was never comfortable that's for sure. Clearly Froch was starting to get on top which everyone thought would happen. groves time will come though once Froch calls it a day. What a champion.
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Posted: Jun 1 2014, 12:02 PM


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Groves was getting on top and winning the 8th until the brutal KO.Groves had a full tank of gas and was showing no signs of tiredness.

I think Groves tactics were spot on he was making Froch miss and nullifying him and was going for the points win which as I said before the fight was his best chance of winning.

He got sloppy and was nailed by a crunching right hand as he was trying to let his own left hook go.Full credit to Froch there can be no arguments about the finish and for once he showed some class afterwards during his interview and the post fight press conference.

I am sure George will come back and will win a world title he is just too good not to.
Degale knows he wont get the Froch fight and Froch has fought his mandatory twice so will be allowed to make a defence against whoever he wants.

He will get his Vegas fight and then retire leaving the door open for another all British rivalry in Groves and Degale.
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Posted: Jun 1 2014, 12:53 PM


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Agree with pretty much every word there Shane.

Great night, good card and a good main event. Groves tactics were spot on but Froch cut the ring off very well to nullify a bit of Groves footwork and timed that beautiful right hand wonderfully for the finish.

Class from both afterwards, just a shame some of Froch's gang felt the need to go over to a man on his stool receiving oxygen and act like pricks!

Degale gets soundly beaten by either though IMO.1
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Brislington Red
Posted: Jun 1 2014, 02:41 PM


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Certainly was no stage in that fight where I thought Groves would be good enough to beat Froch. Groves can carry on moaning about the first fight but he most likely would of been nailed like he was last night if it would of carried on. What happened to the left hook he was taking Froch out with? Made himself look a fool.
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Posted: Jun 1 2014, 02:43 PM


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So Groves tactics were spot on were they guys?. So he wanted to get tagged and knocked in to oblivion did he? If that's what you blokes think then may be he should try a different sport,because he sure as hell isn't going very far as a boxer. You 2 don't know as much as you think about the sport do you?. Bloody experts,and one a Know All as well. Hey Shaneyboy,you've called another one wrong. Welcome to the forum B.R. as you can see the Glory Hunter is still making outrageous predictions.Nothing changes.

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Posted: Jun 1 2014, 03:12 PM


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QUOTE (Brislington Red @ Jun 1 2014, 02:41 PM)
Certainly was no stage in that fight where I thought Groves would be good enough to beat Froch. Groves can carry on moaning about the first fight but he most likely would of been nailed like he was last night if it would of carried on. What happened to the left hook he was taking Froch out with? Made himself look a fool.

You mean the left hook he rocked Froch with in round 7?

It was there but I think he was playing mind games by saying he would knock Froch out with it just like he said it would be a three round Hagler v Hearns type war.

As I said I think the Groves plan was to fight a 12 round fight and win on points using his superior boxing skills,the plan was working a treat until he got KO`d but thats boxing.
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