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 England Squad For Odi's And T20, Any thoughts?
irishrover
Posted: May 14 2014, 04:06 PM


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T20: Morgan, Moeen, Bell, Bopara, Bresnan, Buttler, Carberry, Gurney, Hales, Jordan, Root, Tredwell, Woakes.

ODI: Cook, Anderson, Ballance, Bell, Bopara, Bresnan, Buttler, Carberry, Gurney, Jordan, Morgan, Root, Tredwell, Woakes.

So I suppose Carberry is the surprise as general consensus seemed to be that he was out. Clean slate and big chance for him and I think that's fair - others did worse during the Ashes and weren't questioned. Plus he has a huge upside as a fielder.

Gurney is a bit of a surprise - England management have obviously seen something they liked there. It's not that I don't rate him it's just I've never seen anything that particularly put him a neck ahead of the other competitors in County cricket. So it'll be interesting to see how he goes. He is certainly very tall which adds something.

Other than that they've backed who you would expected them to back here. Moeen is in the T20 but not the ODI. I'm a bit surprised by that because I'd be amazed if he isn't in the World Cup squad but in the context of this time of year I can understand. They'll be happy to go with Root and Tredwell as the spin options and they clearly want to have a look at Ballance in ODI's. Moeen may have more upside than someone like Bopara but it would have been horrendously harsh on Ravi to drop him because he came out of the winter with quite a lot of credit actually. They've also backed Jordan and Woakes.

Finn remains in rehab it seems. Sensible I think - an unforgiving ODI outing could shatter confidence. All in all a reasonable selection I think though I still have a nagging doubt that Bresnan is finished as an international cricketer; not bowled with the same zip since he came back from long term injury last summer.
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jackthegas
Posted: May 17 2014, 06:34 PM


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QUOTE (irishrover @ May 14 2014, 04:06 PM)
T20: Morgan, Moeen, Bell, Bopara, Bresnan, Buttler, Carberry, Gurney, Hales, Jordan, Root, Tredwell, Woakes.

ODI: Cook, Anderson, Ballance, Bell, Bopara, Bresnan, Buttler, Carberry, Gurney, Jordan, Morgan, Root, Tredwell, Woakes.

So I suppose Carberry is the surprise as general consensus seemed to be that he was out. Clean slate and big chance for him and I think that's fair - others did worse during the Ashes and weren't questioned. Plus he has a huge upside as a fielder.

Gurney is a bit of a surprise - England management have obviously seen something they liked there. It's not that I don't rate him it's just I've never seen anything that particularly put him a neck ahead of the other competitors in County cricket. So it'll be interesting to see how he goes. He is certainly very tall which adds something.

Other than that they've backed who you would expected them to back here. Moeen is in the T20 but not the ODI. I'm a bit surprised by that because I'd be amazed if he isn't in the World Cup squad but in the context of this time of year I can understand. They'll be happy to go with Root and Tredwell as the spin options and they clearly want to have a look at Ballance in ODI's. Moeen may have more upside than someone like Bopara but it would have been horrendously harsh on Ravi to drop him because he came out of the winter with quite a lot of credit actually. They've also backed Jordan and Woakes.

Finn remains in rehab it seems. Sensible I think - an unforgiving ODI outing could shatter confidence. All in all a reasonable selection I think though I still have a nagging doubt that Bresnan is finished as an international cricketer; not bowled with the same zip since he came back from long term injury last summer.

I think Brennan is really lucky to get in the squad. When I saw him on the televised championship game he was still down on pace.

Pretty difficult to make big changes when no limited overs cricket had been played when the squads were announced.

I would have picked Ali over Carberry though I think for the 50 over squad. Plunkett must have been close to a recall too. Bowling well and he's a good athlete and a handy lower order batsman.

Gurney is in the squad because they are desperate to find a left armer. I reckon they might have picked Willey from Northamptonshire for the T20 squad if he was fit enough to bowl. Although he doesn't play for one of the big counties so maybe not.
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Yate Town
Posted: May 20 2014, 05:19 PM


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This Jordan fella looks good powerful player doesn't he? He's looked good in every international game I've seen him in, maybe too raw for tests at the min, but hopefully in the next 12-18months he can step up that level!

Hopefully England can get to grips with this T20 format, they are dreadful, one of the worst in the world aren't we?!
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lostinspace
Posted: May 20 2014, 09:06 PM


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nine run defeat, seems a regular thing that Bopara comes in one place late, a late rush for the finishing line and come up short, he tends to get in rather well and has a relatively good strike rate ....... but he did cost with his two overs going for 24!!
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jackthegas
Posted: May 20 2014, 09:34 PM


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174 was a good effort with the bat. We lost it with the ball I think. Tredwell is out of form and has been found out a bit. Dropped catches and some slightly miss place yorkers from Jordan at the death cost us.

I thought Gurney did well and Woakes looked sharper than when I've seen him previously. Definitely a yard quicker than he was last summer.
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irishrover
Posted: May 21 2014, 11:23 AM


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Decent effort against a team who are after all the World Champions in this format and therefore deserve a lot of respect. They are also a superb ODI outfit. It would be very dissapointing if we didn't win the Test series though. But Sri Lanka are a good side and it's kind of disrespectful that for financial reasons we treat them as a second tier nation - they've achieved more than we have in the last 20 years in everything other than Tests and even there they punch well above their weight.

Gurney was promising. I think Hales is making a good case for being given a go at the top in ODI's - we need some pop at the top of the order after all.

I like Jordan too - not sure he has enough variation to be a Test player in the long run but he probably deserves a go at some point. Natural One Day player - superb athlete who bowls fast and full. Didn't quite work yesterday but that will happen sometimes. Bopara has a good case for being put up higher than Morgan - who has been woefully inconsistent for England for a long time now. He has gone massively backwards as an international player - Bopara on the other hand has figured out his game and become much more reliable than he was.
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lostinspace
Posted: May 25 2014, 03:35 PM


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well this is another day to forget!!! dropped catches mis-fields and together a TOTAL collapso new dawn ,new day, new beginings..........someday!!! :oops
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irishrover
Posted: May 27 2014, 12:31 AM


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QUOTE (lostinspace @ May 25 2014, 03:35 PM)
well this is another day to forget!!! dropped catches mis-fields and together a TOTAL collapso new dawn ,new day, new beginings..........someday!!! :oops

I think we can give them the benefit of the doubt on one off day. I thought we did pretty well in the first game actually. So I guess it's a case of will the real England please stand up?
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lostinspace
Posted: May 28 2014, 04:42 PM


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a typical "english day at old trafford"!! you really couldn't write this type of scene for an England team, good to come back with such a bowling display
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irishrover
Posted: May 29 2014, 11:03 AM


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QUOTE (lostinspace @ May 28 2014, 04:42 PM)
a typical "english day at old trafford"!! you really couldn't write this type of scene for an England team, good to come back with such a bowling display

Yep - bit of a gift that one for England and they took full advantage of it.
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