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 Want to know how to play retro games online?, Recommended multiplayer games included!
| Relaxed DON |
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NO MORE (MEGA MAN) GAMES!
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WARNING: This thread is huge. I also assume you know a thing or two about emulation. It may be tl;dr but I put a lot of work into writing all of this up and making it look fancy so I hope this helps out somebody  Ever since I stepped into the picture, Adamant Ditto have been doing LPs with more than one person playing! It's a little bit of a pain in the ass to set up and there's issues with lag but hey it works for the most part and anything is better than nothing. Maybe one day Nintendo will get smart and add online support for their virtual console games and everyone will be able to do that, no problem. I mean, SEGA's brought back some classics and put them on XBLA and PSN with added online play and other enhancements. SEGA does was Nintendon't. Apparently Nintendo will be adding multiplayer over WLAN for VC games on the 3DS so that's definitely a step in the right direction. Anyway, until then, this is how you can play games with your friend(s) over the internet. I'll even list some good co-op or just plain multiplayer games. Last updated: 8/18/11 First off, before you do anything. These tutorials are intended for use on Windows operating systems. Sorry Kyle and other Mac users. Second, you will most likely need Hamachi and you can download here: https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/download.aspxThis program basically makes it to where it pretends you and your friends are on the same local area network (LAN) even though you're playing across the internet. This is necessary for a lot of the emulators below as they were coded and intended for playing over LAN. You'll want to click on the "Download Now" button under Unmanaged. After that finishes, install it and then run it. Do whatever it tells you to do. Eventually you'll get to the point where you can join an existing network or make your own. If you'd like you may use my network... [spoiler]Network name: dokugami Password: password[/spoiler] SNES | QUOTE | I've heard somewhere of people using SNES9x or maybe it was SNES9k but I personally have the most success with ZSNES. However, the latest ZSNES version does not support netplay. Why the developer decided to take it out is beyond me. From the look of it, they don't seem like they'll be updating it any time soon either.
The version you want is 1.42 which you can download here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zsnes/zsnesw142.zip
Or you can download "Enhanced Netplay Edition" version 1.42n which is supposedly more optimized for online play:
http://files.ipherswipsite.com/zsnes/special/zsnesw142n.zip
Personally, I'd go with the original, unaltered version. The "enhanced" one is said to desync less but it's crashed more in my experience.
Keep in mind, you and your friend you will be playing with will need to be using the same version emulator. While we're at it, you and your friend also need the same ROM with the same exact file name.
Anyway, you'll want to extract the contents of the zip to anywhere you like and then go to it and run ZSNES.
Before going online, there's some stuff you might want to do.
1. Set the ROM directory.
You want to tell the emulator where all your games are located on your computer. The best way to do this is by going to GAME > LOAD. Don't quote me on this but I think it defaults the rom directory to the same folder the emulator is in. So if you have the ROMs in the same folder then you don't need to do anything. If not, then you have to find it. On the right side under directory, try to navigate to where all your stuff is. I forget what the "." does but the ".." goes up a directory. If you have no idea where you stuff is because you don't know how files on computers are arranged, good luck because I'm not sure how to explain it! Chances are, if you extracted your stuff to a folder on your desktop then you'll probably want to be in C:\USERS\(THE NAME OF THE USER ACCOUNT YOUR ON)\DESKTOP\ZSNES142 for example. Hopefully that gives you an idea of where to go. Once you found your games, load one up. Then, hit escape to bring up the overlay and go to GAME > QUIT. This is so that it saves your changes. Run ZSNES back up again.
2. Configure your controls.
Although you can do this online, it's best to get it out of the way now. The default controls on the keyboard are the arrow keys for dpad. Enter/Return for Start, Right Shift for Select, and x, z, s, a, d, and c, for a, b, x, y, l, and r, respectively. You can set it to whatever you choose by going to CONFIG > INPUT #1. There is joypad support so you can plug in a USB joypad and it should detect it as long as you plugged it in before opening the ZSNES. If you plugged it in after you have to reopen ZSNES for it to be detected. If it still can not be detected then try using JoyToKey or Xpadder (google them, I'm lazy). Hit the SET KEYS button and you can set them all real quick or you can click on the box that corresponds to whatever button and press whatever. It might be a good idea to close and reopen ZSNES again to save what you have just in case it crashes while you play and it doesn't save your controls. Please note, when you are playing online, even if you're player 2, you will be using what you controls you have set for player 1.
3. Other options
There's other stuff you can set like window size or graphic filters. Just poke around with the settings and you'll find out.
4. Hamachi
Get on Hamachi and make sure your friend is also on Hamachi and is in the same network as you.
5. Turn off your Firewall
If you start up netplay and a friend is trying to join you and it says it's connected in the little dialog box but doesn't come up with the window where you can chat and load up a game then you should try turning off the firewall. It could be the thing that's keeping you from connecting completely. Don't worry, I don't think you'll actually be exposed to anything malicious. If that doesn't work, try your anti-virus. A little bit more riskier but just try it and see if it works then just revert it.
6. Port Forwarding
Doing this isn't really necessary in my opinion. If you know anything about networking then you should probably do it!
Now you should be set and ready to play!
Go to NETPLAY > INTERNET
Type in whatever you want your name to be next to NICKNAME and hit the START AS SERVER button.
Now on the client side (your friend if you are the server), have them copy your IP from the Hamachi window along with typing his own nickname. Then they should hit the CONNECT TO SERVER button.
If everything goes right, you should be able to type to each other in the chat and a few other options.
From here you can start up a game from GAME > LOAD.
Once again, make sure both of you have the same ROM with the same file name.
Keep in mind you can save and load states! So if you ever stop a session you can resume where you left off.
That's it! Have fun!
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Recommended games: [spoiler]Contra III: The Alien Wars
Final Fight 2
Goof Troop
Kirby Super Star
Mickey & Minnie - The Great Circus Mystery
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3 (Sequel to Secret of Mana, Japan only+English translation patch)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
Tetris Attack
The Legend of Mystical Ninja (Goemon)
Zombies Ate My Neighbors[/spoiler]
SEGA Genesis/Mega Drive
| QUOTE | I'm gonna try and make this short and simple.
1. Download this:
Kega Fusion:
http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=Kega
2. Extract it to a folder.
3. You need Hamachi.
4. Load the ROM of the game you want to play first.
5. Also mess with whatever options.
6. Go to File > Netplay > Start Netplay Game.
7. Type in your Nick. Hit "Create".
8. Have your friend go to File > Netplay > Join Netplay Game.
9. Have them type in their Nick and your Hamachi IP that you can find in the Hamachi window.
10. Have them hit "Join".
11. Once they're connected, you hit "Start".
That's it, have fun!
From what I know, save states don't really work online so you most likely have to play the game together in one sitting. And if one of you needs to mess with settings, it'll drop the frame rate to 0 for the other player. You might want to turn off FPS as well, except I don't know how to tell you to do that. Still it's a great emulator that emulates more than just Genesis/Mega Drive games!
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Recommended games: [spoiler]Gunstar Heroes
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Streets of Rage
Streets of Rage 2
Streets of Rage 3
Toejam & Earl
Toejam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron[/spoiler]
Arcade
| QUOTE | I was going to write up a tutorial on how to use MAME32K which you can find at http://www.kaillera.com/download.php but since it uses Kaillera and it fucking sucks and I don't like it. On top of that, MAME itself is a huge pain in the ass to set up. Changing the controls is done in game by pressing tab and going into input but hold on there are default keys already set up so it makes it to where whatever you want to change it to and press also works for that button. You want to hit enter and press ESC so it the button's key gets cleared out then enter again and then the key you want to change it to. Also, it starts off full screen and is really loud but you have to change that the game's properties when you right click it in the list to change it because you have if there's a key in game for it. Then, MAME doesn't even know you have the ROM even though it's in your ROMs folder. You have to audit roms with the second to last option under file for MAME to know the game is in your library. This goes for Kaillera too, if you didn't audit, you won't be able to play the game on Kaillera. I kind of get that there are a lot of games for various types of Arcade systems and having some sort of universal everything would be kind of hard but this  is so complicated and no one should have to go through all this just to play Ninja Baseball Batman with your mates.
Here's what I recommend using instead if you don't mind not having access to everything MAME supports:
Supercade:
http://damdai.com/supercade/
Support for a good number of games. Mostly fighting games, but there's some other stuff as well. Try not to type in an large arbitrary number in the Port at the bottom right or else you'll find yourself in a lot of trouble if you don't know how to change values through the Registry of your computer because it'll crash every time you try to load it. Speaking of every time you load something, you have to reconfigure the controls for each new game you play while the ROM is loaded. Little bit of a pain in the ass but oh well. I'm not sure if the same can be said about GGPO.
GGPO:
http://ggpo.net/
Support for a few number of games. Once again, this was developed with the intentions of playing fighting games so it's mostly those. The developer also seems to have no plans to add more games that can be played. This thing also likes to go down a lot. I know I'm not selling this well but when it works it's pretty good. I just personally prefer Supercade. I've heard that results differ for everyone. An important thing to note, GGPO was made by the co-owner of the EVO Championship Series and GGPO's netcode is being used by CAPCOM in their XBLA and PSN titles Final Fight: Double Impact and recently Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Online Edition. Other companies like Namco Bandai have been using this middleware for their recent DragonBall Z games as well. CAPCOM has only been using it for the 2D titles so far and claims it would be hard to implement it in a 3D engine but Namco Bandai seems to prove that it works. At the time of writing this, Skullgirls will also have GGPO. If you want to know anything else about GGPO you can check out the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GGPO
You have to sign up to use these as the programs themselves require a login. These don't require Hamachi but definitely helps if you know how to port forward. Unless you're playing against someone across the globe, the lag should be well hidden. Setting up either of these shouldn't be too hard to figure out and I'm lazy so I won't be typing out a step by step process of how to get either of these going. It'll tell you if the ROM you've downloaded is missing a file so you should download it from somewhere else other than where you originally got it.
Other stuff to note:
Keep whatever ROMs you download in the zip they came in. Do not extract them.
Games for the NEO GEO also need the NEO GEO bios. Google "neogeo.zip". It'll go in the ROMs folder with the games.
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Recommended games: [spoiler]Dungeons & Dragons: Shadow over Mystara
Ninja Baseball Batman
X-Men
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV - Turtles in Time
The Simpsons Arcade Game
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Street Fighter Alpha 2
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter III: Third Strike
Marvel vs. Capcom Clash of Heroes
Marvel vs. Street Fighter
X-Men vs. Street Fighter
Metal Slug X
Metal Slug 3
Mega Man: Power Battle
Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters
Vampire Savior[/spoiler]
The following systems have emulators with the option of netplay but have given me a lot more issues than the ones listed above. They also may or may not require use of something like Hamachi. That's up to you to figure out. I also won't be going in depth with setting things up. however, I will provide links to where you can download the emulator and whatever else I can find that might help you. Good luck!
NES
Recommended games: [spoiler]Battletoads
Bubble Bobble
Bubble Bobble 2
Contra
Double Dragon
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers
River City Ransom
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II - The Arcade Game
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III - The Manhattan Project[/spoiler]
N64
| QUOTE | Mupen64k:
http://www.goldeneyeonline.com/
I have no idea why their focus is Goldeneye but this was the first thing to come up in Google and they have a how-to as well.
Warning: Uses Kaillera (aka a piece of )
Project64k
http://pj64k.blogspot.com/
Oddly enough this was updated not too long ago. I was expecting support for this hasn't existe since the early 2000s. However...
Warning: Uses Kaillera (aka a piece of ) |
Recommended games: [spoiler]Diddy Kong Racing
Goldeneye
Goemon's Great Adventure
Jet Force Gemini
Mario Kart 64
Mario Party 2
Mario Tennis
Pokemon Puzzle League
Super Smash Bros.
Snowboard Kids 2[/spoiler]
GBA
Recommended games: [spoiler]Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland
Kirby and the Amazing Mirror
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords
Take your pick from any of the Mega Man Battle Network games[/spoiler]
GCN/Wii
| QUOTE | Dolphin:
http://www.dolphin-emulator.com/download.html
I've been meaning to try this with someone but no one wants to download large Gamecube ISOs and try it with me! Not sure if playing Brawl online is even possible either. |
Recommended games: [spoiler]Mario Kart: Double Dash F-ZERO GX NBA Street Vol. 3 SSX3: On Tour Super Smash Bros. Melee Tales of Symphonia [/spoiler] If you have any emulators or multiplayer games (particularly 2 player co-op) to recommend, feel free to leave a reply. They don't necessarily have to be retro. Also, please don't post any links to ROMs.
I know the chances of anything happening to anybody is low but let's not risk it anyway. One more thing, if you have any tips for me regarding setting up emulators for netplay or if anything I explained was confusing and unclear, please inform me! DISCLAIMER: Just for the record, I am not responsible for any trouble you may cause. 
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| Impish MATT |
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Nothing's Prepared You For -- A RACCOON!
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Don, man, great job on this. Very well put together and a good tutorial. I hope people take notice of it. It'll probably be pretty dormant until we get more members, though.
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| Modest STEVEN |
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Modest
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Well played, well played.
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| Anglerbe |
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The ONE and only...
Group: Shiny Ditto
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Member No.: 135
Joined: 2-May 13
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I know this is a very old thread, but would Sonic Advance 3 multiplayer work with one of these GBA emulators? Thanks.
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